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There is a large quantity of articles on liberal or alternative media (The Nation, CounterPunch, ZCommunications, TomDispatch, Democracy Now, antiwar.com, etc etc) which present a view which completely contradicts the government's position, yet they have all been removed from the article. This is despite the fact that the most popular article online about Sami Al Arian (after wikipedia) is the counterpunch article.
I recall reading this article over a year ago and it was FAR better than it is now. What happened?
207.188.69.26 ( talk) 22:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Here are some sources people can use for this article which present a completely different point of view on the subject.
Note that the magazine CounterPunch was probably the most prolific on the Subject of Sami Al Arian, writing a whole series of papers on his trial. I provided links to some (but not all) of their work on the Al Arian case. Aside from the fact that all are critical of the government's actions, the writers are diverse. They include investigative journalists and reporters dedicated to the case, the magazine's editors (Cockburn and St. Clair), a former Reagan admin official (Paul Craig Roberts), former CIA official (McGovern), and Al Arian himself. Alexander Cockburn's article "The prosecution of Sami Al Arian" is the most cited source on this topic on the internet (after wikipedia).
There is also a lot of material from Amnesty International. Couldn't locate them all. I put the ones I found here.
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn03032007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson04092007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn08022008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg11162005.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/ccr03032007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg05042006.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/lynchnahla.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/mccarthy02262003.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson09092008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/alarian0826.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/lendman03242008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/mokhiber12042007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson03242009.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/welch08052008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson03282007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/arian05042009.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo02052005.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg03112004.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/garcia12142005.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/lynch2.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg12142005.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08052008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo03032003.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/weir04172007.html
http://www.zcommunications.org/usa-vs-al-arian-by-dalchows-verden
http://www.zcommunications.org/sami-al-arians-long-ordeal-by-stephen-lendman
http://www.thenation.com/article/persecution-sami-al-arian-0
http://www.thenation.com/article/persecution-sami-al-arian
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/110/2003/en
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/204/2005
http://www.democracynow.org/features/sami_al_arian
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/7/the_family_toll_sami_al_arians
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/7/9/the_case_of_sami_al_arian
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/3/sami_al_arian_released_after_five http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/7/exclusive_hunger_striking_palestinian_professor_sami
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/16/as_health_deteriorates_jailed_palestinian_professor
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/5/3/daughter_of_sami_al_arian_says
http://www.usavsalarian.com/case/news.html
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/article981644.ece
http://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/01/19/bubba/index.html
http://www.salon.com/technology/feature/2002/01/19/bubba
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/02/21/al_arian
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/01/08/professor
http://electronicintifada.net/content/crossing-line-interviews-dr-sami-al-arians-daughter/9725
http://electronicintifada.net/content/film-review-usa-vs-al-arian/3529
http://electronicintifada.net/content/critics-see-vendetta-al-arians-legal-limbo/7603
http://electronicintifada.net/content/save-sami-al-arians-life-demand-his-immediate-release/743
http://electronicintifada.net/content/despite-no-conviction-sami-al-arian-remains-us-prison/7655
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne.php?articleid=13086
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/boyle.php?articleid=12089
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cdavis.php?articleid=13257
http://original.antiwar.com/roberts/2009/05/27/who-will-stand-up-to-america-and-israel/
http://antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=13430
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/03/19/antiwarcom-enemy-of-the-state/
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/July_2006/0607032.html
http://antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=12744
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/09/20089304720987812.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/category/person/sami-al-arian
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1116-07.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/11/7622
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/03/5579
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0202-25.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1207-37.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/05/10819
Poyani ( talk) 18:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
A few more sources:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008817424_apattacksprofessor.html
Poyani ( talk) 16:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Epeefleche. I did not understand the explanation for your revert. Were you objecting to the change in info box or content or both? Please advise! Poyani ( talk) 01:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I do not think the use of the criminal infobox is appropriate. The template for the infobox states the following:
Choose this template judiciously. Unwarranted or improper use of this template may violate the Biographies of living persons, Neutral point of view and Privacy policies. This template is generally reserved for convicted serial killers, gangsters, mass murderers, old west outlaws, murderers, mafia members, fugitives, FBI 10 most wanted, serial rapist, mobsters, and other notorious criminals.
Al-Arian does not fit in this category. He pled guilty (under controversial circumstances) to conspiracy to make or receive contributions of funds, goods or services to or for the benefit of Palestinian Islamic Jihad. I propose the use of the more generic Person Infobox. Poyani ( talk) 16:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
I just read through them all in order, including revert of User:Epeefleche's revert and a few comments:
CarolMooreDC 05:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay. I definitely agree. Sorry it took me a while to respond. I have read through the Wikipedia policies.I certainly agree with you on virtually everything! This page needs considerable time and effort, and I have been delving through research for the page for many many days now. So I hope we can definitely address each of the concerns here. Reformation32 ( talk) 16:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Sami Al-Arian amd Sami Al-Arian indictments and trial should definitely be merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reformation32 ( talk • contribs)
As I pointed out in the archives in 2007, Sami Al-Arian sponsored this individual's entry into the United States, gave him employment, and worked closely with him on an almost-daily basis, until one day in 1995 when he suddenly disappeared and popped up shortly afterwards in Damascus as the new external leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. This was what led to Al-Arian's first extended contact with the FBI, and seems to have laid the foundation for most of his subsequent legal troubles. (If Sami Al-Arian took the same line with the FBI in October/November 1995 that he did publicly -- i.e. that he had no knowledge whatsoever of Ramadan Abdullah Shallah's affiliations, and that Shallah's departure and re-emergence atop the PIJ came as complete and total utter surprise -- then it's safe to say that the FBI considered Sami Al-Arian's replies less than fully truthful.) This article doesn't mention Ramadan Abdullah Shallah at all, while article Sami Al-Arian indictments and trial merely mentions his name, but doesn't provide any context, or explain his significant role in focusing FBI attention on Sami Al-Arian. I find these omissions rather baffling (just as I did over 7 years ago)... AnonMoos ( talk) 04:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
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Sami Al-Arian first came onto the radar of the FBI when Ramadan Shalah (whose entry to the United States had been sponsored by Sami Al-Arian, and who worked with Sami Al-Arian on regular basis) absconded from the United States in 1995 and popped up as the new leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Sami Al-Arian's legal troubles at the federal level began soon after. If it hadn't been for Ramadan Shalah, Sami Al-Arian might not have had any legal problems at the federal level. It's quite likely that if federal investigators investigating the Ramadan Shalah case had been fully satisfied with the truthfulness and completeness of Sami Al-Arian's to questions with respect to Ramadan Shalah, then Sami Al-Arian would not have had legal problems at the federal level. Since the Ramadan Shalah case was a highly-important catalyst to Sami Al-Arian's career taking its downward turn, I really don't understand why he's omitted from this article... AnonMoos ( talk) 16:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't see any citations or later evidence in the article that actually suggests this is the case, his activism seems to be focused on Palestine and the treatment of Muslim Americans. Calling him an Islamicist based on that alone, especially someone who was targeted and tortured under dubious circumstances by the us government, seems at best insensitive to the context. 38.42.46.6 ( talk) 21:00, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Al-Arian family is a known Egyptian family. Sami Al-Arian's cousin Tarek Al-Arian https://www.instagram.com/tarekalarianofficial/ is a famous Egyptian director. Mohammed El-Erian is a famous Egyptian American economist /info/en/?search=Mohamed_A._El-Erian. Sami Al-Arian's entire family lives in Egypt and are Egyptian citizens. Palestinians who emigrated to Egypt were never able to obtain Egyptian citizenship if they cannot prove their Egyptian origin. Sami Al-Arian himself grew up in Egypt after being born in Kuwait. Sami Al-Arian was also a campaign manager for one of the Egyptian presidential candidates: /info/en/?search=Abdel_Moneim_Aboul_Fotouh There is virtually no presence in Gaza or the West Bank for the Al-Arian family. As a Palestinian, I am tired of the self-proclaimed Palestinian community leaders and activists. We don't need more cooks in the kitchen. For sure not someone who helped George W. Bush win the elections in 2000. Videotron ( talk) 13:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)
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There is a large quantity of articles on liberal or alternative media (The Nation, CounterPunch, ZCommunications, TomDispatch, Democracy Now, antiwar.com, etc etc) which present a view which completely contradicts the government's position, yet they have all been removed from the article. This is despite the fact that the most popular article online about Sami Al Arian (after wikipedia) is the counterpunch article.
I recall reading this article over a year ago and it was FAR better than it is now. What happened?
207.188.69.26 ( talk) 22:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Here are some sources people can use for this article which present a completely different point of view on the subject.
Note that the magazine CounterPunch was probably the most prolific on the Subject of Sami Al Arian, writing a whole series of papers on his trial. I provided links to some (but not all) of their work on the Al Arian case. Aside from the fact that all are critical of the government's actions, the writers are diverse. They include investigative journalists and reporters dedicated to the case, the magazine's editors (Cockburn and St. Clair), a former Reagan admin official (Paul Craig Roberts), former CIA official (McGovern), and Al Arian himself. Alexander Cockburn's article "The prosecution of Sami Al Arian" is the most cited source on this topic on the internet (after wikipedia).
There is also a lot of material from Amnesty International. Couldn't locate them all. I put the ones I found here.
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn03032007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson04092007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn08022008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg11162005.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/ccr03032007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg05042006.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/lynchnahla.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/mccarthy02262003.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson09092008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/alarian0826.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/lendman03242008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/mokhiber12042007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson03242009.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/welch08052008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/colson03282007.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/arian05042009.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo02052005.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg03112004.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/garcia12142005.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/lynch2.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/sugg12142005.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/roberts08052008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/nimmo03032003.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/weir04172007.html
http://www.zcommunications.org/usa-vs-al-arian-by-dalchows-verden
http://www.zcommunications.org/sami-al-arians-long-ordeal-by-stephen-lendman
http://www.thenation.com/article/persecution-sami-al-arian-0
http://www.thenation.com/article/persecution-sami-al-arian
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/110/2003/en
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/AMR51/204/2005
http://www.democracynow.org/features/sami_al_arian
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/7/the_family_toll_sami_al_arians
http://www.democracynow.org/2004/7/9/the_case_of_sami_al_arian
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/9/3/sami_al_arian_released_after_five http://www.democracynow.org/2007/2/7/exclusive_hunger_striking_palestinian_professor_sami
http://www.democracynow.org/2007/3/16/as_health_deteriorates_jailed_palestinian_professor
http://www.democracynow.org/2006/5/3/daughter_of_sami_al_arian_says
http://www.usavsalarian.com/case/news.html
http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts/criminal/article981644.ece
http://dir.salon.com/tech/feature/2002/01/19/bubba/index.html
http://www.salon.com/technology/feature/2002/01/19/bubba
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2003/02/21/al_arian
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/01/08/professor
http://electronicintifada.net/content/crossing-line-interviews-dr-sami-al-arians-daughter/9725
http://electronicintifada.net/content/film-review-usa-vs-al-arian/3529
http://electronicintifada.net/content/critics-see-vendetta-al-arians-legal-limbo/7603
http://electronicintifada.net/content/save-sami-al-arians-life-demand-his-immediate-release/743
http://electronicintifada.net/content/despite-no-conviction-sami-al-arian-remains-us-prison/7655
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/browne.php?articleid=13086
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/boyle.php?articleid=12089
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/cdavis.php?articleid=13257
http://original.antiwar.com/roberts/2009/05/27/who-will-stand-up-to-america-and-israel/
http://antiwar.com/orig/giraldi.php?articleid=13430
http://www.antiwar.com/blog/2009/03/19/antiwarcom-enemy-of-the-state/
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/July_2006/0607032.html
http://antiwar.com/reese/?articleid=12744
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2008/09/20089304720987812.html
http://english.aljazeera.net/category/person/sami-al-arian
http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1116-07.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/03/11/7622
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/12/03/5579
http://www.commondreams.org/views07/0202-25.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views05/1207-37.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/08/05/10819
Poyani ( talk) 18:25, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
A few more sources:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2008817424_apattacksprofessor.html
Poyani ( talk) 16:50, 9 January 2012 (UTC)
Epeefleche. I did not understand the explanation for your revert. Were you objecting to the change in info box or content or both? Please advise! Poyani ( talk) 01:36, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
I do not think the use of the criminal infobox is appropriate. The template for the infobox states the following:
Choose this template judiciously. Unwarranted or improper use of this template may violate the Biographies of living persons, Neutral point of view and Privacy policies. This template is generally reserved for convicted serial killers, gangsters, mass murderers, old west outlaws, murderers, mafia members, fugitives, FBI 10 most wanted, serial rapist, mobsters, and other notorious criminals.
Al-Arian does not fit in this category. He pled guilty (under controversial circumstances) to conspiracy to make or receive contributions of funds, goods or services to or for the benefit of Palestinian Islamic Jihad. I propose the use of the more generic Person Infobox. Poyani ( talk) 16:55, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
I just read through them all in order, including revert of User:Epeefleche's revert and a few comments:
CarolMooreDC 05:52, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Okay. I definitely agree. Sorry it took me a while to respond. I have read through the Wikipedia policies.I certainly agree with you on virtually everything! This page needs considerable time and effort, and I have been delving through research for the page for many many days now. So I hope we can definitely address each of the concerns here. Reformation32 ( talk) 16:55, 25 October 2012 (UTC)
Sami Al-Arian amd Sami Al-Arian indictments and trial should definitely be merged. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Reformation32 ( talk • contribs)
As I pointed out in the archives in 2007, Sami Al-Arian sponsored this individual's entry into the United States, gave him employment, and worked closely with him on an almost-daily basis, until one day in 1995 when he suddenly disappeared and popped up shortly afterwards in Damascus as the new external leader of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. This was what led to Al-Arian's first extended contact with the FBI, and seems to have laid the foundation for most of his subsequent legal troubles. (If Sami Al-Arian took the same line with the FBI in October/November 1995 that he did publicly -- i.e. that he had no knowledge whatsoever of Ramadan Abdullah Shallah's affiliations, and that Shallah's departure and re-emergence atop the PIJ came as complete and total utter surprise -- then it's safe to say that the FBI considered Sami Al-Arian's replies less than fully truthful.) This article doesn't mention Ramadan Abdullah Shallah at all, while article Sami Al-Arian indictments and trial merely mentions his name, but doesn't provide any context, or explain his significant role in focusing FBI attention on Sami Al-Arian. I find these omissions rather baffling (just as I did over 7 years ago)... AnonMoos ( talk) 04:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
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I have no desire to get into an edit war on this article (or even to really edit it at all, for that matter), but it's highly undesirable that the article omits any mention of Ramadan Abdullah Shallah, since that's how Sami Al-Arian first came to the attention of federal government law enforcement, and seems to have been the catalyst for his federal legal troubles after that point. (He had no federal legal troubles before Ramadan Abdullah Shallah absconded.) There's a good probability that if the FBI had been fully satisfied with the truthfulness and comprehensiveness of Sami Al-Arian's answers to their questions about Abdullah Shallah, then they wouldn't have bothered to go after Sami Al-Arian at that point. The omission of any mention of Ramadan Abdullah Shallah from this article is unjustified and tendentious (hopefully not malicious, but after 10 years I'm beginning to wonder...) AnonMoos ( talk) 10:24, 29 January 2017 (UTC)
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Sami Al-Arian first came onto the radar of the FBI when Ramadan Shalah (whose entry to the United States had been sponsored by Sami Al-Arian, and who worked with Sami Al-Arian on regular basis) absconded from the United States in 1995 and popped up as the new leader of Palestinian Islamic Jihad. Sami Al-Arian's legal troubles at the federal level began soon after. If it hadn't been for Ramadan Shalah, Sami Al-Arian might not have had any legal problems at the federal level. It's quite likely that if federal investigators investigating the Ramadan Shalah case had been fully satisfied with the truthfulness and completeness of Sami Al-Arian's to questions with respect to Ramadan Shalah, then Sami Al-Arian would not have had legal problems at the federal level. Since the Ramadan Shalah case was a highly-important catalyst to Sami Al-Arian's career taking its downward turn, I really don't understand why he's omitted from this article... AnonMoos ( talk) 16:59, 4 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't see any citations or later evidence in the article that actually suggests this is the case, his activism seems to be focused on Palestine and the treatment of Muslim Americans. Calling him an Islamicist based on that alone, especially someone who was targeted and tortured under dubious circumstances by the us government, seems at best insensitive to the context. 38.42.46.6 ( talk) 21:00, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
Al-Arian family is a known Egyptian family. Sami Al-Arian's cousin Tarek Al-Arian https://www.instagram.com/tarekalarianofficial/ is a famous Egyptian director. Mohammed El-Erian is a famous Egyptian American economist /info/en/?search=Mohamed_A._El-Erian. Sami Al-Arian's entire family lives in Egypt and are Egyptian citizens. Palestinians who emigrated to Egypt were never able to obtain Egyptian citizenship if they cannot prove their Egyptian origin. Sami Al-Arian himself grew up in Egypt after being born in Kuwait. Sami Al-Arian was also a campaign manager for one of the Egyptian presidential candidates: /info/en/?search=Abdel_Moneim_Aboul_Fotouh There is virtually no presence in Gaza or the West Bank for the Al-Arian family. As a Palestinian, I am tired of the self-proclaimed Palestinian community leaders and activists. We don't need more cooks in the kitchen. For sure not someone who helped George W. Bush win the elections in 2000. Videotron ( talk) 13:41, 20 July 2023 (UTC)