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This clan appears to be a superset of some large Somali clans (e.g. Irir Samaale, Hawiye, Dir (clan). I'm wondering if "Samaale" is simply a Somali language spelling of (or otherwise synonymous with) "Somali." If so then this should be merged with and redirected to Somali people. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
From my reading, it appears to be a kind of label for certain clans, rather than a clan in itself. See Somali clan which I've just created. Gailtb 18:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Some editors believe that Samaale is an Arabian individual, yet this is a known common misleading trope in Somali culture known to have been false due to the influence of Islam on Somalis. In my opinion, the putative Arabian origin should be lower down the article and not in the lead as many sources show him to be a pre-Islamic and some even support him to be a mythical figure who never even existed. Wadaad ( talk) 17:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
As far as I know samaale doesn't have an Arab origin darood and Isaaq might but not samaale himself hes lineage is hardly mentioned not hair origin, just that he is the proginator of the Somali people Sahasu ( talk) 22:33, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
As far as I know samaale doesn't have an Arab origin darood and Isaaq might but not samaale himself hes lineage is hardly mentioned not his origin, just that he is the proginator of the Somali people Sahasu ( talk) 22:34, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
As far as I know samaale doesn't have an Arab origin darood and Isaaq might but not samaale himself hes lineage is hardly mentioned not his origin, just that he is the proginator of the Somali people Sahasu ( talk) 22:34, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Ioan Lewis has published books concerning Somali genealogy. I’ll add him as a source since the sources attached are not in function. Wiilciise1 ( talk) 00:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
The first sentence of this article currently says:
Samaale, also spelled Samali or Samale ( Somali: Samaale) is traditionally considered to be the oldest common forefather of several major Somali clans and their respective sub-clans.
But surely oldest is not the right word here: Samaale's father is an older common forefather, and his grandfather an even older common forefather. Should this actually say youngest common forefather, or most recent common ancestor? — Bkell ( talk) 19:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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This clan appears to be a superset of some large Somali clans (e.g. Irir Samaale, Hawiye, Dir (clan). I'm wondering if "Samaale" is simply a Somali language spelling of (or otherwise synonymous with) "Somali." If so then this should be merged with and redirected to Somali people. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:44, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
From my reading, it appears to be a kind of label for certain clans, rather than a clan in itself. See Somali clan which I've just created. Gailtb 18:03, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
Some editors believe that Samaale is an Arabian individual, yet this is a known common misleading trope in Somali culture known to have been false due to the influence of Islam on Somalis. In my opinion, the putative Arabian origin should be lower down the article and not in the lead as many sources show him to be a pre-Islamic and some even support him to be a mythical figure who never even existed. Wadaad ( talk) 17:21, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
As far as I know samaale doesn't have an Arab origin darood and Isaaq might but not samaale himself hes lineage is hardly mentioned not hair origin, just that he is the proginator of the Somali people Sahasu ( talk) 22:33, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
As far as I know samaale doesn't have an Arab origin darood and Isaaq might but not samaale himself hes lineage is hardly mentioned not his origin, just that he is the proginator of the Somali people Sahasu ( talk) 22:34, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
As far as I know samaale doesn't have an Arab origin darood and Isaaq might but not samaale himself hes lineage is hardly mentioned not his origin, just that he is the proginator of the Somali people Sahasu ( talk) 22:34, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Ioan Lewis has published books concerning Somali genealogy. I’ll add him as a source since the sources attached are not in function. Wiilciise1 ( talk) 00:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
The first sentence of this article currently says:
Samaale, also spelled Samali or Samale ( Somali: Samaale) is traditionally considered to be the oldest common forefather of several major Somali clans and their respective sub-clans.
But surely oldest is not the right word here: Samaale's father is an older common forefather, and his grandfather an even older common forefather. Should this actually say youngest common forefather, or most recent common ancestor? — Bkell ( talk) 19:21, 16 May 2024 (UTC)