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The article states that Sheppard was exonerated after 12 years. Is this referring to his acquittal, or was there an action that declared him innocent? He was acquitted (found not guilty) at his 1966 trial, but that is not being exonerated (declared innocent). 165.189.169.138 ( talk) 13:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
No, exonerated and acquitted mean the same thing. Sheppard's acquittal means he was innocent.
The infobox definitely shouldn't list Sheppard's wife as a victim. Innocence isn't sufficient to prove wrongful imprisonment, so the civil case wouldn't be relevant even if the decision had been upheld. Because the Eighth District Court of Appeals vacated the lower court decision for want of standing, it's as if the civil case never happened. The info box should reflect Sheppard's acquittal in 1966. G. C. Hood ( talk) 19:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm wondering about the accuracy of his medical studies in Los Angeles. According to multiple eyewitnesses/former friends, Sheppard attended Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine (now AT Still University) in Kirksville, Mo. There were no inline citations in the Wiki, so I'm wondering where the L.A. info came from. Sector001 ( talk) 20:24, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Why is there a link to double jeopardy at the end of the article? There is no indication in the text that he was still considered to be the perpetrator, other than the above mention of Exoneration. If Double Jeopardy applied surely more should be made in the main text of this? 81.157.116.118 ( talk) 21:21, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The only evidence I've found of the Heriott Times Daily, or of any Her(r)iot(t) in Tennessee, is in exact repetitions of this sentence. — Tamfang ( talk) 05:01, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
The phrase "carnival atmosphere" is repeated three times in the article. — Tamfang ( talk) 22:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
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Twice I have posted additions to the Dr. Sam Sheppard article and twice it has been taken down. I referenced the specific page numbers in Tailspin that support the new evidence with photographs. Why has this new information been removed?
I lived in Bay Village at the time of the murder. My mother was a Cleveland newspaper reporter at the time and knew some of the principals. The inquest was in my elementary school. I have also interviewed some of the principals. I have an extensive collection of material on the case. I read portions of the ten volume trial transcript when it was being stored in a janitor's closet at the courthouse.
So, I ask again, why were my references removed? Max Rays ( talk) 16:17, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Someone has even deleted Bernard Conner's book Tailspin from the bibliography above even though it contains extensive information about the Sam Sheppard case. Max Rays ( talk) 20:29, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
It appears that EEng has twice deleted my additions to this article. If EEng sees this "talk," then I encourage EEng to read Bernard Conners' book Tailspin. The new information on the Sheppard case is well documented and is an important addition to this article. My own research and archives on the case is extensive. I would not be submitting these additions if they were not well documented. Please do not delete my additions after I repost them. Max Rays ( talk) 20:56, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
I've now spent some time going through Tailspin: The Strange Case of Major Call (cf. The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde) and it's an interesting book about an, um, unusual person. But there are serious problems with using it for more than the single sentence now in the article:
A 2002 book theorizes that Marilyn Sheppard was murdered by James Call, an Air Force deserter who passed through Cleveland on a multi-state crime spree at the relevant time.
The book's own preface describes it as "a dramatized narrative supported by fact". Three-quarters of it is this dramatized narrative, and the last quarter is appendices presenting the supporting evidence -- actually a long series of exhibits (crime scene/autopsy photos, diagrams, pictures of weapons and suspects, police reports, etc.). Unfortunately, both parts are almost impossible to absorb, because there's no overview, no chapter titles, no index, and (most importantly) while there's a 25-page "Addendum" explaining how the exhibits fit into the theory that Call killed Marilyn Sheppard, there's no critical discussion -- alternative explanations, what other secondary sources say about the same evidence, weaknesses, etc. There are no footnotes, bibliography, references to other works on the case, or similar apparatus. It's pure advocacy.
I should add that I personally find Tailspin's theory mildly convincing i.e. I certainly think Call should be considered a suspect in the Sheppard murder. But that's just me. From Wikipedia's point of view, it's just one more theory of the crime which (perhaps though the weakness of its own presentation) hasn't received much attention, and that lack of attention needs to be reflected in the article's treatment.
I expect this will be disappointing to Max Rays, but as explained elsewhere we have to present theories in proportion to the prominence they're given in other authoritative sources. I truly hope this will not discourage him from helping improve the article in other ways -- it needs it, and someone steeped in the details of the case, and the many sources, would be a great help. E Eng 21:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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It is a coincidence, I am sure, but I had never heard of James A. Call at all until today, when I came across a news story about him in The San Bernardino Daily Sun from 16 November 1954. He had just been arrested in Reno, Nevada, after trying to pawn a watch from a burglary.
Right next to that story was an account of Sam Sheppard’s first trial. Reading that story led me to look up this article on the Wikipedia. Reading down into it, I came across the theory that James Call could have been a suspect in Marilyn Sheppard’s murder. I thought, “Wait - where have I heard that name before?” And I checked back to the online Sun newspaper source.
The two unrelated stories are SIDE BY SIDE. Is that creepy or what?
Mark Sublette 24 November 2019 Mark Sublette ( talk) 08:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
I don't know that the word "thot" belongs in this article. I don't know who has the permission or ability to change it, but it would be awesome if someone did. ElvenWizardKing ( talk) 15:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Can't we get a picture of Sheppard? Richard75 ( talk) 20:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)
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The article states that Sheppard was exonerated after 12 years. Is this referring to his acquittal, or was there an action that declared him innocent? He was acquitted (found not guilty) at his 1966 trial, but that is not being exonerated (declared innocent). 165.189.169.138 ( talk) 13:16, 12 October 2010 (UTC)
No, exonerated and acquitted mean the same thing. Sheppard's acquittal means he was innocent.
The infobox definitely shouldn't list Sheppard's wife as a victim. Innocence isn't sufficient to prove wrongful imprisonment, so the civil case wouldn't be relevant even if the decision had been upheld. Because the Eighth District Court of Appeals vacated the lower court decision for want of standing, it's as if the civil case never happened. The info box should reflect Sheppard's acquittal in 1966. G. C. Hood ( talk) 19:43, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm wondering about the accuracy of his medical studies in Los Angeles. According to multiple eyewitnesses/former friends, Sheppard attended Kirksville College of Osteopathic Medicine (now AT Still University) in Kirksville, Mo. There were no inline citations in the Wiki, so I'm wondering where the L.A. info came from. Sector001 ( talk) 20:24, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
Why is there a link to double jeopardy at the end of the article? There is no indication in the text that he was still considered to be the perpetrator, other than the above mention of Exoneration. If Double Jeopardy applied surely more should be made in the main text of this? 81.157.116.118 ( talk) 21:21, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The only evidence I've found of the Heriott Times Daily, or of any Her(r)iot(t) in Tennessee, is in exact repetitions of this sentence. — Tamfang ( talk) 05:01, 21 September 2013 (UTC)
The phrase "carnival atmosphere" is repeated three times in the article. — Tamfang ( talk) 22:51, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
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Twice I have posted additions to the Dr. Sam Sheppard article and twice it has been taken down. I referenced the specific page numbers in Tailspin that support the new evidence with photographs. Why has this new information been removed?
I lived in Bay Village at the time of the murder. My mother was a Cleveland newspaper reporter at the time and knew some of the principals. The inquest was in my elementary school. I have also interviewed some of the principals. I have an extensive collection of material on the case. I read portions of the ten volume trial transcript when it was being stored in a janitor's closet at the courthouse.
So, I ask again, why were my references removed? Max Rays ( talk) 16:17, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
Someone has even deleted Bernard Conner's book Tailspin from the bibliography above even though it contains extensive information about the Sam Sheppard case. Max Rays ( talk) 20:29, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
It appears that EEng has twice deleted my additions to this article. If EEng sees this "talk," then I encourage EEng to read Bernard Conners' book Tailspin. The new information on the Sheppard case is well documented and is an important addition to this article. My own research and archives on the case is extensive. I would not be submitting these additions if they were not well documented. Please do not delete my additions after I repost them. Max Rays ( talk) 20:56, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
I've now spent some time going through Tailspin: The Strange Case of Major Call (cf. The Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde) and it's an interesting book about an, um, unusual person. But there are serious problems with using it for more than the single sentence now in the article:
A 2002 book theorizes that Marilyn Sheppard was murdered by James Call, an Air Force deserter who passed through Cleveland on a multi-state crime spree at the relevant time.
The book's own preface describes it as "a dramatized narrative supported by fact". Three-quarters of it is this dramatized narrative, and the last quarter is appendices presenting the supporting evidence -- actually a long series of exhibits (crime scene/autopsy photos, diagrams, pictures of weapons and suspects, police reports, etc.). Unfortunately, both parts are almost impossible to absorb, because there's no overview, no chapter titles, no index, and (most importantly) while there's a 25-page "Addendum" explaining how the exhibits fit into the theory that Call killed Marilyn Sheppard, there's no critical discussion -- alternative explanations, what other secondary sources say about the same evidence, weaknesses, etc. There are no footnotes, bibliography, references to other works on the case, or similar apparatus. It's pure advocacy.
I should add that I personally find Tailspin's theory mildly convincing i.e. I certainly think Call should be considered a suspect in the Sheppard murder. But that's just me. From Wikipedia's point of view, it's just one more theory of the crime which (perhaps though the weakness of its own presentation) hasn't received much attention, and that lack of attention needs to be reflected in the article's treatment.
I expect this will be disappointing to Max Rays, but as explained elsewhere we have to present theories in proportion to the prominence they're given in other authoritative sources. I truly hope this will not discourage him from helping improve the article in other ways -- it needs it, and someone steeped in the details of the case, and the many sources, would be a great help. E Eng 21:06, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
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It is a coincidence, I am sure, but I had never heard of James A. Call at all until today, when I came across a news story about him in The San Bernardino Daily Sun from 16 November 1954. He had just been arrested in Reno, Nevada, after trying to pawn a watch from a burglary.
Right next to that story was an account of Sam Sheppard’s first trial. Reading that story led me to look up this article on the Wikipedia. Reading down into it, I came across the theory that James Call could have been a suspect in Marilyn Sheppard’s murder. I thought, “Wait - where have I heard that name before?” And I checked back to the online Sun newspaper source.
The two unrelated stories are SIDE BY SIDE. Is that creepy or what?
Mark Sublette 24 November 2019 Mark Sublette ( talk) 08:13, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
I don't know that the word "thot" belongs in this article. I don't know who has the permission or ability to change it, but it would be awesome if someone did. ElvenWizardKing ( talk) 15:56, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Can't we get a picture of Sheppard? Richard75 ( talk) 20:55, 31 October 2023 (UTC)