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Not much in the way of references in this article... 129.21.114.185 ( talk) 20:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks like that's dealt with, there were 41 references when I read it today: [1]. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) ( talk) 16:03, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
A number of police forces (the massachusetts state police, for sure) use breakaway sam browne belts so the strap can't be used against the trooper in a fight. the strap is secured to the belt with a clip that will detatch if pulled. Rmd1023 ( talk) 12:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Oh, also, the sam browne belt is still worn by massachusetts state police troopers as part of the class A full dress uniform, and with the winter (but not summer) general use uniform. Rmd1023 ( talk) 12:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article on Sam Browne himself states that he lost his arm from a sword cut during the action in which he won the Victoria Cross. It might be good to decide which version is correct and use that for both articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.130.2.75 ( talk) 18:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the statement about the M1841 sword belt because...
Currently the name 'Sam Brown Belt' is more associated with cycling safety than 20th century military uniform. I suggest a split in this page into the 2 usages. Mtpaley ( talk) 23:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Where are you from Mtpaley? From an Australian POV it is used often in military terms but I have never heard it used for cycling. -- TinTin ( talk) 03:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Doing some international googling it seems that the meaning does indeed vary with location. The UK site is mostly cycling kit. Using the Australian google site it is exclusively military, same for the US. "Where are you from Mtpaley" was the correct question to ask. Mtpaley ( talk) 21:28, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
The section on police use includes the paragraph
Most of that text was added by the anonymous 152.91.9.190 ( "an organisation with approximately 6000 employees", Verizon Australia PTY Limited [2]; Verizon Business Network). Two sentences run together without a clear break, and a third one with unclear (grammatical) reference.
Who wears what?
-- Thnidu ( talk) 17:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Good sleuthing and analysis, @ Thnidu:! Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) ( talk) 16:07, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
"Sir Basil Templer Graham-Montgomery, 5th Baronet of the 60th Rifles while serving in India."
He was 5th Baronet Montgomery of Stanhope, not Baronet of the 60th Rifles. 150.227.15.253 ( talk) 10:32, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
I made it read differently by adding a comma after "Baronet", hopefully that fixes it: "It was supposedly invented in 1878 by Lieutenant Sir Basil Templer Graham-Montgomery, 5th Baronet, of the 60th Rifles while serving in India." [3] Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) ( talk) 16:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@ Opera hat: I'm not familiar with British aristocratic titles, so I think I'll leave it with your recent edit. However, here in New Zealand when the Queen confers honorary titles on civilians and civic servants, we tend to write of them with those titles even when referring to before they were honoured. I.e. OBE (Officer of the Order of the British Empire), ONZ, NZOM. Particularly in the case of a prefix such as "Sir" or "Dame", we tend to use it almost without exception, and frequently include it in common vernacular. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) ( talk) 19:48, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Be that as it may, the "60th Rifles"- a vernacular reference to the 60th King's Royal Rifle Corps, was the title of Graham-Montgomery's regiment at the time of his adaptation of the equipment in 1878. However , under the Childers reforms of 1881 the KRRC ceased to be identified by its regimental number (along with all other line infantry regiments) and at the time the accompanying photograph was taken was known simply as the Kings Royal Rifle Corps. It would be appropriate to amend the caption accordingly. JF42 ( talk) 09:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
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Not much in the way of references in this article... 129.21.114.185 ( talk) 20:17, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
Looks like that's dealt with, there were 41 references when I read it today: [1]. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) ( talk) 16:03, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
A number of police forces (the massachusetts state police, for sure) use breakaway sam browne belts so the strap can't be used against the trooper in a fight. the strap is secured to the belt with a clip that will detatch if pulled. Rmd1023 ( talk) 12:46, 10 November 2008 (UTC) Oh, also, the sam browne belt is still worn by massachusetts state police troopers as part of the class A full dress uniform, and with the winter (but not summer) general use uniform. Rmd1023 ( talk) 12:50, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
The Wikipedia article on Sam Browne himself states that he lost his arm from a sword cut during the action in which he won the Victoria Cross. It might be good to decide which version is correct and use that for both articles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.130.2.75 ( talk) 18:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
I deleted the statement about the M1841 sword belt because...
Currently the name 'Sam Brown Belt' is more associated with cycling safety than 20th century military uniform. I suggest a split in this page into the 2 usages. Mtpaley ( talk) 23:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Where are you from Mtpaley? From an Australian POV it is used often in military terms but I have never heard it used for cycling. -- TinTin ( talk) 03:34, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Doing some international googling it seems that the meaning does indeed vary with location. The UK site is mostly cycling kit. Using the Australian google site it is exclusively military, same for the US. "Where are you from Mtpaley" was the correct question to ask. Mtpaley ( talk) 21:28, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
The section on police use includes the paragraph
Most of that text was added by the anonymous 152.91.9.190 ( "an organisation with approximately 6000 employees", Verizon Australia PTY Limited [2]; Verizon Business Network). Two sentences run together without a clear break, and a third one with unclear (grammatical) reference.
Who wears what?
-- Thnidu ( talk) 17:30, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Good sleuthing and analysis, @ Thnidu:! Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) ( talk) 16:07, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
"Sir Basil Templer Graham-Montgomery, 5th Baronet of the 60th Rifles while serving in India."
He was 5th Baronet Montgomery of Stanhope, not Baronet of the 60th Rifles. 150.227.15.253 ( talk) 10:32, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
I made it read differently by adding a comma after "Baronet", hopefully that fixes it: "It was supposedly invented in 1878 by Lieutenant Sir Basil Templer Graham-Montgomery, 5th Baronet, of the 60th Rifles while serving in India." [3] Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) ( talk) 16:18, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
@ Opera hat: I'm not familiar with British aristocratic titles, so I think I'll leave it with your recent edit. However, here in New Zealand when the Queen confers honorary titles on civilians and civic servants, we tend to write of them with those titles even when referring to before they were honoured. I.e. OBE (Officer of the Order of the British Empire), ONZ, NZOM. Particularly in the case of a prefix such as "Sir" or "Dame", we tend to use it almost without exception, and frequently include it in common vernacular. Ken K. Smith (a.k.a. User:Thin Smek) ( talk) 19:48, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
Be that as it may, the "60th Rifles"- a vernacular reference to the 60th King's Royal Rifle Corps, was the title of Graham-Montgomery's regiment at the time of his adaptation of the equipment in 1878. However , under the Childers reforms of 1881 the KRRC ceased to be identified by its regimental number (along with all other line infantry regiments) and at the time the accompanying photograph was taken was known simply as the Kings Royal Rifle Corps. It would be appropriate to amend the caption accordingly. JF42 ( talk) 09:12, 16 May 2023 (UTC)