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So, there appears to be some doubt as to the level of detail required in this article. I'll point at Adam Gilchrist as an example of a featured article. This article summarises most of Gilchrist's performance in, say, the 2003 World Cup (a tournament in which he played 10 matches, with the following two sentences: He finished the tournament with 408 runs at an average of 40.80 at a strike rate of 105. He scored four half-centuries, and was run out against Sri Lanka in the Super Six stage just a single run short of a century. It has a touch more about two more significant events - his walk and his performance in the final. But that's it - 8 matches worth in two sentences without having to list every innings he played.
If that's OK in a featured article - the very best we have on wikipedia about cricketers - then we don't need to do the same thing here. There is absolutely no need to have endless detail about each innings Billings has played for any team. That does not constitute something encyclopaedic - it's something I can look up on CricketArchive or CricInfo if I want to.
I'd like to think we can keep this sort of article clean of some of the munchkinisms that occur on other sports projects. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 14:32, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Adam Gilchrist had a very long career and so for him not every match would be needed. However, Billings has only played a handful of international matches and so a few individual games hold more significance. If there is an agreement that the changes should be altered then I modify what I have written, but until then I will leave the changes in place. I would appreciate it if we could come to an agrrement here before you revert my edits again. Englandcricketteam ( talk) 17:21, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
After looking at other players articles, I don't think this goes into too much detail. In other players' article there is deep analysis of warm up games players have played in, even though they are experienced international players. As Billings hasn't played much for England, I would argue the innings against Pakistan are significant, although this could be condensed if he plays more games. The section is for his international career, not his bio, so for now I think it should remain as there is much less detail than other articles which, as previously mentioned, list tour games and interviews. I am adding references to the information I added, and I am also condensing it slightly. Englandcricketteam ( talk) 20:58, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
And the same problem again - please see sections of articles such as Anquan_Boldin#Detroit_Lions as to why this level of detail is totally unnecessary. To do so without an edit summary is poor form; to do so whilst actually removing a significant fact about the subject of the article is actually quite unbelievable. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 17:37, 12 December 2016 (UTC)
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So, there appears to be some doubt as to the level of detail required in this article. I'll point at Adam Gilchrist as an example of a featured article. This article summarises most of Gilchrist's performance in, say, the 2003 World Cup (a tournament in which he played 10 matches, with the following two sentences: He finished the tournament with 408 runs at an average of 40.80 at a strike rate of 105. He scored four half-centuries, and was run out against Sri Lanka in the Super Six stage just a single run short of a century. It has a touch more about two more significant events - his walk and his performance in the final. But that's it - 8 matches worth in two sentences without having to list every innings he played.
If that's OK in a featured article - the very best we have on wikipedia about cricketers - then we don't need to do the same thing here. There is absolutely no need to have endless detail about each innings Billings has played for any team. That does not constitute something encyclopaedic - it's something I can look up on CricketArchive or CricInfo if I want to.
I'd like to think we can keep this sort of article clean of some of the munchkinisms that occur on other sports projects. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 14:32, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
Adam Gilchrist had a very long career and so for him not every match would be needed. However, Billings has only played a handful of international matches and so a few individual games hold more significance. If there is an agreement that the changes should be altered then I modify what I have written, but until then I will leave the changes in place. I would appreciate it if we could come to an agrrement here before you revert my edits again. Englandcricketteam ( talk) 17:21, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
After looking at other players articles, I don't think this goes into too much detail. In other players' article there is deep analysis of warm up games players have played in, even though they are experienced international players. As Billings hasn't played much for England, I would argue the innings against Pakistan are significant, although this could be condensed if he plays more games. The section is for his international career, not his bio, so for now I think it should remain as there is much less detail than other articles which, as previously mentioned, list tour games and interviews. I am adding references to the information I added, and I am also condensing it slightly. Englandcricketteam ( talk) 20:58, 7 June 2016 (UTC)
And the same problem again - please see sections of articles such as Anquan_Boldin#Detroit_Lions as to why this level of detail is totally unnecessary. To do so without an edit summary is poor form; to do so whilst actually removing a significant fact about the subject of the article is actually quite unbelievable. Blue Square Thing ( talk) 17:37, 12 December 2016 (UTC)