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First: Various sources claim that he was born on April 22, 1985 (including some Wikipedia pages of other languages); however none of them are reliable. Can we add it?
Second: Some sources claim that he is the owner and president of Altman Technologies Incorporated. The same question goes here. Ramanujaner ( talk) 13:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
I added this quote into personal life section, and was reverted twice: "I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli Defense Force, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to."
what's your problem with short quote in text? Paraphrased, it would be "He owns guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli Defense Force, and land in Big Sur." How is it better than a quote?
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I prep for survival? That's from the same source. And it's not undue, he appears everyday in newspieces talking about AI safety, AGI and stuff, and the fact that he himself is preparing to survival adds a lot to the picture. Artem.G ( talk) 07:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Recode reported that Altman might run for Governor of California in the 2018 election, which he did not enter.Doesn't sound more reliable for me, and is undue as it never really happened. Artem.G ( talk) 17:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
He received his first computer at the age of eight.- there is no discussion in sources, and it based entirely on Altman's own words, same as our subject.) And that's why I wanted to add a quote, so there would be no misleading statements, just his own words about an important aspect that is highlighted in several sources. Artem.G ( talk) 20:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Any reason this pretty important feature of his life history is mysteriously absent? 136.26.44.183 ( talk) 03:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, in my opinion, this article has very little content on some of the topics that make Sam Altman so well-known : his role in OpenAI, and the debate around the capabilities, risks, opportunities and policy of artificial intelligence. This represents a significant part of his media coverage, with plenty of reliable sources. Of course if you do it you should be very careful to give a fair, balanced, interesting and well-sourced overview. Here was my attempt to cover the topic of Altman's views on artificial intelligence ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sam_Altman&oldid=1167754292#Opinions_on_artificial_intelligence), if you deem that there is something to retrieve. Alenoach ( talk) 05:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
I think this sentence is controversial and not so directly related to Sam Altman :
"In April 2022, a report from MIT Technology Review highlighted Worldcoin's controversial practices in low-income countries, citing that Worldcoin takes advantage of impoverished people to grow its network."
One reason is that it seems like the article is attributing the direct responsibility of the misconducts of some third-party contractors to Worldcoin. Another issue is that it suggests that Worldcoin's choice of starting with low-income countries is cynical and unethical, which is unclear given that the additional income from Worldcoin would benefit poor people most.
The paragraph on the May 2023 hack is better and more factual. Its relevance here may still be debated depending on how much we want to enter this kind of details on Sam Altman's article. Or perhaps we want to have some coverage of the less anecdotal skepticism around Worldcoin.
I let you decide. Alenoach ( talk) 13:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
The article DID read like an ad! That was appropriate tagging. I rewrote the article (restructured, added sources, updated content, removed quasi-fan cruft verbiage). The tone is more encyclopedia-like but I am uncertain if it is ready for the ad tag to be removed. If anyone especially Hipal who tagged it initially, has any thoughts on this, please let's talk about it. Due to OpenAI, Altman's BLP is getting A LOT of views lately.-- FeralOink ( talk) 22:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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An earlier edit ( Special:Diff/1186003145) added "K" as a middle initial of Satya Nadella which seems utterly unsourced and does not exist outside of Wikipedia (and was on nl Wiki [1] which I've removed [2] since it seemed like a direct translation of en's text) Wikipedia seems to be the only place with that now.
Proposed changes in Sam Altman#Microsoft:
Satya K Nadella
→ [[Satya Nadella]]
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: team. <ref>
→ team.<ref>
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Link potassium iodide to the relevant Wikipedia article. Evanf32 ( talk) 21:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
I am not a good enough Wikipedian to know off the cuff whether these tweets are noteworthy or sufficiently reliable in her voice for inclusion, but my longstanding impression is a lot of Silicon Valley goes to Kara Swisher when they want to leak, and her leak reporting is nearly flawless, unlike her op/eds. So I offer these excerpts for consideration by the more steeped in such questions: "it was a 'misalignment' of the profit versus nonprofit adherents at the company. The developer day was an issue.... Sources tell me that the profit direction of the company under Altman and the speed of development, which could be seen as too risky, and the nonprofit side dedicated to more safety and caution were at odds. One person on the Sam side called it a “coup,” while another said it was the the right move." Sandizer ( talk) 03:11, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Page is not up to date. Sam is back. 2A00:1110:23B:3E56:9567:7F9D:85A8:D0A6 ( talk) 15:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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https://twitter.com/openai/status/1727206187077370115?s=46&t=HUarsCF30BFrz3xURMUMPQ
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Altman has been announced to return to OpenAI as CEO. Ihikky ( talk) 07:51, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Sam altman has returned to the post of CEO in OpenAI, it's all over the news, can you edit it? Thanks. 4vidit.bansal ( talk) 15:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Add information about Sam Altman being back as CEO of OpenAI as it was just announced by OpenAI on X/Twitter AhmedEdits ( talk) 17:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Sam Altman is currently the CEO of OpenAI 2001:1970:51A4:D600:200B:435B:1EFF:B99C ( talk) 18:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Tuesday, November 22 2023 does not exist 2A02:C7C:B237:9600:8879:4F0F:F313:B388 ( talk) 12:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
User:Hipal, why did you revert my edit? It doesn't fall under WP:SOAP. Mentioning Altman's membership and thricefold attendance of the Bilderberg Group conference is:
1) Not advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment: the information is presented neutrally
2) Not opinionated: factual and sourced
3) Not scandalous: factual and sourced
4) Not self-promotion: I have no connection to the subject of the article
5) Not advertising, marketing or public relations: the information is presented neutrally
Bilderberg Group membership is important and relevant information that's mentioned in the Recognition section on other pages of tech figures such as Jeff Bezos and Peter Thiel. I have reverted your reversion. Palm Puree ( talk) 02:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
self-promotion requires me to be affiliatedNo. As I wrote,
It's most definitely self-promotion by Bilderberg Group. If you were affiliated with them, then you'd be editing against a conflict of interest.
since I think you're engaging in bad faithThat undermines everything you're doing here. Please review WP:CON and WP:DR. -- Hipal ( talk) 23:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
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Focus on improving the encyclopedia itself, rather than demanding more from other Wikipedians.
Meanwhile, I've been cleaning up the content.-- Hipal ( talk) 23:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Altman's sexuality is irrelevant in the course of this article, I would like to remove on the basis that Bill Gates wiki, for example does not make reference to his sexuality directly.
"It is quite common to include it" is not a good enough reason, it is not encyclopedic in the context of the article about him. His focus is AI.
Altman neither is a campaigner for LGBT - I agree in that article he acknowledges how the internet helped him in his journey but that seems at best spurious or at worst prurient. A review of his blog finds no references to gay, lgbt, or homosexual.
I open this to the floor, I vote to remove it. Juddlackland ( talk) 06:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
93% of men and 87% of women identify as completely heterosexual. The mention of a past relationship does not show his sexuality clearly because he could be bisexual. I do agree that often LGBT stuff can weirdly prurient, but not in this case. This a biography, it serves to teach us about Altman.
Gates married Melinda French on the Hawaiian Island of Lanai on January 1, 1994. They met in 1987 after Melinda began working at Microsoft. At the time of their marriage, Gates was given permission by Melinda to spend limited time with his ex-girlfriend, businesswoman Ann Winblad. Bill and Melinda have three children: Jennifer, Rory and Phoebe.
highlighting outstanding LGBTQ tech innovators, the other two being Business Insider and The New Yorker, all of which are good-quality reliable sources. We routinely discuss the sexuality and family life of biographical subjects — straight subjects and LGBTQ+ subjects alike — as does any biography.
What references do we have that might settle this? -- Hipal ( talk) 01:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)
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Removed here. -- Hipal ( talk) 16:46, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
First: Various sources claim that he was born on April 22, 1985 (including some Wikipedia pages of other languages); however none of them are reliable. Can we add it?
Second: Some sources claim that he is the owner and president of Altman Technologies Incorporated. The same question goes here. Ramanujaner ( talk) 13:24, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
I added this quote into personal life section, and was reverted twice: "I have guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli Defense Force, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to."
what's your problem with short quote in text? Paraphrased, it would be "He owns guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli Defense Force, and land in Big Sur." How is it better than a quote?
Artem.G (
talk)
17:49, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
I prep for survival? That's from the same source. And it's not undue, he appears everyday in newspieces talking about AI safety, AGI and stuff, and the fact that he himself is preparing to survival adds a lot to the picture. Artem.G ( talk) 07:18, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Recode reported that Altman might run for Governor of California in the 2018 election, which he did not enter.Doesn't sound more reliable for me, and is undue as it never really happened. Artem.G ( talk) 17:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
He received his first computer at the age of eight.- there is no discussion in sources, and it based entirely on Altman's own words, same as our subject.) And that's why I wanted to add a quote, so there would be no misleading statements, just his own words about an important aspect that is highlighted in several sources. Artem.G ( talk) 20:21, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
Any reason this pretty important feature of his life history is mysteriously absent? 136.26.44.183 ( talk) 03:55, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Hi, in my opinion, this article has very little content on some of the topics that make Sam Altman so well-known : his role in OpenAI, and the debate around the capabilities, risks, opportunities and policy of artificial intelligence. This represents a significant part of his media coverage, with plenty of reliable sources. Of course if you do it you should be very careful to give a fair, balanced, interesting and well-sourced overview. Here was my attempt to cover the topic of Altman's views on artificial intelligence ( https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Sam_Altman&oldid=1167754292#Opinions_on_artificial_intelligence), if you deem that there is something to retrieve. Alenoach ( talk) 05:43, 31 July 2023 (UTC)
I think this sentence is controversial and not so directly related to Sam Altman :
"In April 2022, a report from MIT Technology Review highlighted Worldcoin's controversial practices in low-income countries, citing that Worldcoin takes advantage of impoverished people to grow its network."
One reason is that it seems like the article is attributing the direct responsibility of the misconducts of some third-party contractors to Worldcoin. Another issue is that it suggests that Worldcoin's choice of starting with low-income countries is cynical and unethical, which is unclear given that the additional income from Worldcoin would benefit poor people most.
The paragraph on the May 2023 hack is better and more factual. Its relevance here may still be debated depending on how much we want to enter this kind of details on Sam Altman's article. Or perhaps we want to have some coverage of the less anecdotal skepticism around Worldcoin.
I let you decide. Alenoach ( talk) 13:47, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
The article DID read like an ad! That was appropriate tagging. I rewrote the article (restructured, added sources, updated content, removed quasi-fan cruft verbiage). The tone is more encyclopedia-like but I am uncertain if it is ready for the ad tag to be removed. If anyone especially Hipal who tagged it initially, has any thoughts on this, please let's talk about it. Due to OpenAI, Altman's BLP is getting A LOT of views lately.-- FeralOink ( talk) 22:52, 3 May 2023 (UTC)
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An earlier edit ( Special:Diff/1186003145) added "K" as a middle initial of Satya Nadella which seems utterly unsourced and does not exist outside of Wikipedia (and was on nl Wiki [1] which I've removed [2] since it seemed like a direct translation of en's text) Wikipedia seems to be the only place with that now.
Proposed changes in Sam Altman#Microsoft:
Satya K Nadella
→ [[Satya Nadella]]
.
: team. <ref>
→ team.<ref>
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Link potassium iodide to the relevant Wikipedia article. Evanf32 ( talk) 21:48, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
I am not a good enough Wikipedian to know off the cuff whether these tweets are noteworthy or sufficiently reliable in her voice for inclusion, but my longstanding impression is a lot of Silicon Valley goes to Kara Swisher when they want to leak, and her leak reporting is nearly flawless, unlike her op/eds. So I offer these excerpts for consideration by the more steeped in such questions: "it was a 'misalignment' of the profit versus nonprofit adherents at the company. The developer day was an issue.... Sources tell me that the profit direction of the company under Altman and the speed of development, which could be seen as too risky, and the nonprofit side dedicated to more safety and caution were at odds. One person on the Sam side called it a “coup,” while another said it was the the right move." Sandizer ( talk) 03:11, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
Page is not up to date. Sam is back. 2A00:1110:23B:3E56:9567:7F9D:85A8:D0A6 ( talk) 15:40, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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https://twitter.com/openai/status/1727206187077370115?s=46&t=HUarsCF30BFrz3xURMUMPQ
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Sam altman has returned to the post of CEO in OpenAI, it's all over the news, can you edit it? Thanks. 4vidit.bansal ( talk) 15:18, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Add information about Sam Altman being back as CEO of OpenAI as it was just announced by OpenAI on X/Twitter AhmedEdits ( talk) 17:38, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
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Sam Altman is currently the CEO of OpenAI 2001:1970:51A4:D600:200B:435B:1EFF:B99C ( talk) 18:57, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
Tuesday, November 22 2023 does not exist 2A02:C7C:B237:9600:8879:4F0F:F313:B388 ( talk) 12:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
User:Hipal, why did you revert my edit? It doesn't fall under WP:SOAP. Mentioning Altman's membership and thricefold attendance of the Bilderberg Group conference is:
1) Not advocacy, propaganda, or recruitment: the information is presented neutrally
2) Not opinionated: factual and sourced
3) Not scandalous: factual and sourced
4) Not self-promotion: I have no connection to the subject of the article
5) Not advertising, marketing or public relations: the information is presented neutrally
Bilderberg Group membership is important and relevant information that's mentioned in the Recognition section on other pages of tech figures such as Jeff Bezos and Peter Thiel. I have reverted your reversion. Palm Puree ( talk) 02:19, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
self-promotion requires me to be affiliatedNo. As I wrote,
It's most definitely self-promotion by Bilderberg Group. If you were affiliated with them, then you'd be editing against a conflict of interest.
since I think you're engaging in bad faithThat undermines everything you're doing here. Please review WP:CON and WP:DR. -- Hipal ( talk) 23:58, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
BLPSELFPUB says, Never use self-published sources—including but not limited to books, zines, websites, blogs, and social network posts—as sources of material about a living person, unless written or published by the subject of the article.
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Hipal (
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19:11, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
WP:SELFPUB says, Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer.
--
Hipal (
talk)
19:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Focus on improving the encyclopedia itself, rather than demanding more from other Wikipedians.
Meanwhile, I've been cleaning up the content.-- Hipal ( talk) 23:31, 26 May 2023 (UTC)
Altman's sexuality is irrelevant in the course of this article, I would like to remove on the basis that Bill Gates wiki, for example does not make reference to his sexuality directly.
"It is quite common to include it" is not a good enough reason, it is not encyclopedic in the context of the article about him. His focus is AI.
Altman neither is a campaigner for LGBT - I agree in that article he acknowledges how the internet helped him in his journey but that seems at best spurious or at worst prurient. A review of his blog finds no references to gay, lgbt, or homosexual.
I open this to the floor, I vote to remove it. Juddlackland ( talk) 06:20, 3 December 2023 (UTC)
93% of men and 87% of women identify as completely heterosexual. The mention of a past relationship does not show his sexuality clearly because he could be bisexual. I do agree that often LGBT stuff can weirdly prurient, but not in this case. This a biography, it serves to teach us about Altman.
Gates married Melinda French on the Hawaiian Island of Lanai on January 1, 1994. They met in 1987 after Melinda began working at Microsoft. At the time of their marriage, Gates was given permission by Melinda to spend limited time with his ex-girlfriend, businesswoman Ann Winblad. Bill and Melinda have three children: Jennifer, Rory and Phoebe.
highlighting outstanding LGBTQ tech innovators, the other two being Business Insider and The New Yorker, all of which are good-quality reliable sources. We routinely discuss the sexuality and family life of biographical subjects — straight subjects and LGBTQ+ subjects alike — as does any biography.
What references do we have that might settle this? -- Hipal ( talk) 01:44, 7 December 2023 (UTC)