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A history section -- including stuff about natives -- would be good. The beginnings are already there! -- Sam
I de-wikified the neighborhoods in the list. The exception was the Federal Heights link; that article exists primarily to mention the neighborhood's connection with the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping. The other neighborhoods should probably remain link-free until somebody decides there's something notable enough about them to justify separate Wikipedia articles for them.
I also re-wrote the paragraph about LDS wards to add some clarity as well as mention stakes as another geographical region commonly encountered in Salt Lake City. Alanyst 07:13, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I rewikied the neighborhood links, I do intend to write a Sugar House article (when I can get all the proper research done) and others may not realize they can go in and do this too with out the wiki links...thats what they are for, to show an article needs to be written... -- JonMoore 22:54, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Maybe try just "Rose Park (Salt Lake City)" - JonMoore 01:55, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I rewrote the history section which sounded lumpy and uneven and included the full name of the LDS Church. I also added some of the newer and more famous buildings in the "attractions" section -- CCampbell-- 65.177.105.123 22:52, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I would have to agree that, at a minimum, the neighborhoods should be referenced as "Neighborhood (Salt Lake City)". If no one objects, I will try to go through and fix the links. Davejenk1ns 10:51, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Not to be nit picky, but is this neighborhood one word or two? Ive seen it both ways, although the little signs on the street signs have it as 2...Anyone know for sure...? -- JonMoore 09:25, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
A couple of users have made changes that I have had to revert, so here's a heads-up so I don't have to explain the same revert each time.
The sentence in question is "The LDS church also divides the city (and other locations where it is strong) into stakes and wards." Some people think it should read "other locations where it is organized" or something to that effect. I think the original is more accurate; the church does not have stakes and wards everywhere it is organized, or else districts and branches would not exist. It's a pretty minor point for an article about Salt Lake City, but I like to be as precise as possible. Perhaps it needs to be reworded entirely to avoid this conflict in the future, but I'm not going to tackle that myself right now. Alanyst 00:52, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Here's a suggestion for your dilema: This is an article about Salt Lake City. Make the sentence relevant to Salt Lake City. Make a separate, brief parenthesized sentence to explain "other locations" if you feel it is necessary. In the context in which the subject sentence appears, "also" implies that the LDS church is the one that designated the neighborhoods (in the previous paragraphs). But does this paragraph really belong here anyway? Wouldn't it fit better in the context of religious affiliation? Val42 04:25, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Can Buildings and sites of Salt Lake City, Utah be incorporated into the main Salt Lake City, Utah article? It seems a bit redundant, but I don't want to go ahead and just do it without some consensus. -- JonMoore 17:36, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I've been adding local media, ie, TV stations, radio stations, newspapers, and magazines...it's getting quite long...should i move it to a seperate "List of Salt Lake City Media"? JonMoore 17:38, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
How should the mayor's name be presented? By his offical name: Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson, or what people know him by: Rocky Anderson. - Jon 20:15, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I concur - Jon 18:29, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I disagree. According to my understanding of the naming conventions, the correct naming would be his official name "Ross C. Anderson". Then there should be a redirect page of "Rocky Anderson". -- Val42 04:42 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm not sure, I always understood it was the "most common name", for example: there is an article on Jimmy Carter, but not James Earl Carter, which redirects...
It really makes no difference, really...redirect away if you see fit... :-) -- Jon, Conqueror of Men 05:22, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I guess there are people better versed in wiki markup than I, but as well as I can tell the box wants to sit a tad to the left of the Utah capitol pic. I took the capitol pic out of the box to make it conform a bit more with the info boxes in other large city pages. See: Seattle, Washington; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Miami, Florida; etc. As near as I can tell it has to do with the size of the font, the amount of text in the intro, as well as the size of the pic, hence reducing it to 200 pix. If anyone knows how to fix this better than I, I would be eternally grateful... - Jon 04:42, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
How is Salt Lake City not a coastal city? It has more than 100000 people, is on the shore of a major lake (the Great Salt Lake is the largest in the U.S. west of the Mississippi River), and can accommodate water traffic (there are a lot of piers). Category:Coastal cities permits cities on the coasts of major lakes to be counted as coastal cities. It works for the Caspian Sea, the Aral Sea, the Dead Sea, Lake Victoria, the Great Lakes, Lake Titicaca, etc... The fact that Salt Lake is the only major city on the Great Salt Lake shouldn't really matter, should it? If there were no accommodation for water traffic, I could possibly understand a city not being thought of as a coastal city. But the piers along the Salt Lake metropolitan area support many yachts and other recreational watercraft. Great Salt Lake is not tiny. :P - Gilgamesh 06:33, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Consider these cities already in the category: Duluth, Minnesota is at the western tip of Lake Superior. Kampala is on the northern shore of Lake Victoria. Baku, Azerbaijan is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea. The only possibly relevant things I can think of that these cities do not have in common with Salt Lake:
The Great Salt Lake has no international boundary nor demanding for international commerce shipping, but it is still a large lake and factors heavily into the paradigm of Salt Lake's existence. It hosts seagulls, influences Salt Lake Valley climate, dominates the skyline, provides an outlet for many boating opportunities, and does not exist in a bubble outside Salt Lake City's existence. - Gilgamesh 06:48, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hey, I stumbled upon this and just thought it would be good if we used it as a guideline for standardizing this article: WikiProject Cities. I'm pretty tired tonight, but I may start working on some of it tomorrow... Also, the talk page is getting pretty long...anyone know how to archive it?
Thanks for the input, I have this teensy goal in the back of my head that Salt Lake will have a page as good as, or better than most of the major western cities (I'm not going to try to compete yet with the eastern cities and their god-forsaken 250 year histories ;-)) I think our fair municipality already has most of them beat in the history department. Portland's says something about it being a clearing... Yss, I agree, we shouldn't lose any content... We have a great article, and we can still make it better...maybe the best US city article if we try hard :) Ok, enough for my lofty goals... - Jon, Conqueror of Men 18:20, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I added a section under "Media" for salt lake in film, and added the only movie I could think of, SLC Punk. I have seen this section in other city pages, and assume the films should be about or set in the city (ie, not just a general purpose list of films shot in SLC [but set somewhere else] or about Mormonism in general).
Also, I would like to see a section on famous or notable Salt Lakers. From my research in other articles, this seems to be people of national or international note, not say, the guy who does the weather on KSL. Sadly, no one comes to mind... Are there no famous Salt Lakers? Do, say John Stockton or those other Jazz players count, since they are not natives? I know there have to be some.
Also, I would think that John Stockton and Karl Malone are eligible as famous Salt-Lakers, because that's what most people think of when they think of them (aside from basketball).
I take issue with two very POV-ish statements (in bold) added by User:67.40.8.52:
from History:
On July 24, 1847 143 men, three women and two children members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints founded Salt Lake City on the eastern shore of the Great Salt Lake. They were led by Brigham Young who led the Saints after the death of the religion's founder Joseph Smith, Jr.. Upon arrival to the Salt Lake valley, and after driving away the indigenous peoples living on the land the Saints coveted, Young reportedly confirmed a vision by saying, "It is enough. This is the right place. Drive on." Originally named "Great Salt Lake City", the city became Utah's state capital on January 4, 1896.
from Government & Politics:
Although the mayor is officially a non-partisan position, Salt Lake City has elected Democratic mayors for almost the last 16 years, despite the overwhelming local Republican political leanings. City council members tend to be local well-knowns elected under specific issues ( school zoning, economic development, etc.) The metropolitan area's political demographics are unlike much of the rest of Utah and its cities and counties where mostly Republicans or conservative citizens dominate and are represented by politicians of similar persuasion.
I feel these statements should be removed...Comments, Opinions??
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Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | Archive 4 |
A history section -- including stuff about natives -- would be good. The beginnings are already there! -- Sam
I de-wikified the neighborhoods in the list. The exception was the Federal Heights link; that article exists primarily to mention the neighborhood's connection with the Elizabeth Smart kidnapping. The other neighborhoods should probably remain link-free until somebody decides there's something notable enough about them to justify separate Wikipedia articles for them.
I also re-wrote the paragraph about LDS wards to add some clarity as well as mention stakes as another geographical region commonly encountered in Salt Lake City. Alanyst 07:13, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I rewikied the neighborhood links, I do intend to write a Sugar House article (when I can get all the proper research done) and others may not realize they can go in and do this too with out the wiki links...thats what they are for, to show an article needs to be written... -- JonMoore 22:54, 11 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Maybe try just "Rose Park (Salt Lake City)" - JonMoore 01:55, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I rewrote the history section which sounded lumpy and uneven and included the full name of the LDS Church. I also added some of the newer and more famous buildings in the "attractions" section -- CCampbell-- 65.177.105.123 22:52, 16 Jun 2004 (UTC)
I would have to agree that, at a minimum, the neighborhoods should be referenced as "Neighborhood (Salt Lake City)". If no one objects, I will try to go through and fix the links. Davejenk1ns 10:51, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Not to be nit picky, but is this neighborhood one word or two? Ive seen it both ways, although the little signs on the street signs have it as 2...Anyone know for sure...? -- JonMoore 09:25, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
A couple of users have made changes that I have had to revert, so here's a heads-up so I don't have to explain the same revert each time.
The sentence in question is "The LDS church also divides the city (and other locations where it is strong) into stakes and wards." Some people think it should read "other locations where it is organized" or something to that effect. I think the original is more accurate; the church does not have stakes and wards everywhere it is organized, or else districts and branches would not exist. It's a pretty minor point for an article about Salt Lake City, but I like to be as precise as possible. Perhaps it needs to be reworded entirely to avoid this conflict in the future, but I'm not going to tackle that myself right now. Alanyst 00:52, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Here's a suggestion for your dilema: This is an article about Salt Lake City. Make the sentence relevant to Salt Lake City. Make a separate, brief parenthesized sentence to explain "other locations" if you feel it is necessary. In the context in which the subject sentence appears, "also" implies that the LDS church is the one that designated the neighborhoods (in the previous paragraphs). But does this paragraph really belong here anyway? Wouldn't it fit better in the context of religious affiliation? Val42 04:25, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Can Buildings and sites of Salt Lake City, Utah be incorporated into the main Salt Lake City, Utah article? It seems a bit redundant, but I don't want to go ahead and just do it without some consensus. -- JonMoore 17:36, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I've been adding local media, ie, TV stations, radio stations, newspapers, and magazines...it's getting quite long...should i move it to a seperate "List of Salt Lake City Media"? JonMoore 17:38, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)
How should the mayor's name be presented? By his offical name: Ross C. "Rocky" Anderson, or what people know him by: Rocky Anderson. - Jon 20:15, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I concur - Jon 18:29, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)
I disagree. According to my understanding of the naming conventions, the correct naming would be his official name "Ross C. Anderson". Then there should be a redirect page of "Rocky Anderson". -- Val42 04:42 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I'm not sure, I always understood it was the "most common name", for example: there is an article on Jimmy Carter, but not James Earl Carter, which redirects...
It really makes no difference, really...redirect away if you see fit... :-) -- Jon, Conqueror of Men 05:22, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I guess there are people better versed in wiki markup than I, but as well as I can tell the box wants to sit a tad to the left of the Utah capitol pic. I took the capitol pic out of the box to make it conform a bit more with the info boxes in other large city pages. See: Seattle, Washington; Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; Miami, Florida; etc. As near as I can tell it has to do with the size of the font, the amount of text in the intro, as well as the size of the pic, hence reducing it to 200 pix. If anyone knows how to fix this better than I, I would be eternally grateful... - Jon 04:42, 29 Sep 2004 (UTC)
How is Salt Lake City not a coastal city? It has more than 100000 people, is on the shore of a major lake (the Great Salt Lake is the largest in the U.S. west of the Mississippi River), and can accommodate water traffic (there are a lot of piers). Category:Coastal cities permits cities on the coasts of major lakes to be counted as coastal cities. It works for the Caspian Sea, the Aral Sea, the Dead Sea, Lake Victoria, the Great Lakes, Lake Titicaca, etc... The fact that Salt Lake is the only major city on the Great Salt Lake shouldn't really matter, should it? If there were no accommodation for water traffic, I could possibly understand a city not being thought of as a coastal city. But the piers along the Salt Lake metropolitan area support many yachts and other recreational watercraft. Great Salt Lake is not tiny. :P - Gilgamesh 06:33, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Consider these cities already in the category: Duluth, Minnesota is at the western tip of Lake Superior. Kampala is on the northern shore of Lake Victoria. Baku, Azerbaijan is on the west coast of the Caspian Sea. The only possibly relevant things I can think of that these cities do not have in common with Salt Lake:
The Great Salt Lake has no international boundary nor demanding for international commerce shipping, but it is still a large lake and factors heavily into the paradigm of Salt Lake's existence. It hosts seagulls, influences Salt Lake Valley climate, dominates the skyline, provides an outlet for many boating opportunities, and does not exist in a bubble outside Salt Lake City's existence. - Gilgamesh 06:48, 4 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Hey, I stumbled upon this and just thought it would be good if we used it as a guideline for standardizing this article: WikiProject Cities. I'm pretty tired tonight, but I may start working on some of it tomorrow... Also, the talk page is getting pretty long...anyone know how to archive it?
Thanks for the input, I have this teensy goal in the back of my head that Salt Lake will have a page as good as, or better than most of the major western cities (I'm not going to try to compete yet with the eastern cities and their god-forsaken 250 year histories ;-)) I think our fair municipality already has most of them beat in the history department. Portland's says something about it being a clearing... Yss, I agree, we shouldn't lose any content... We have a great article, and we can still make it better...maybe the best US city article if we try hard :) Ok, enough for my lofty goals... - Jon, Conqueror of Men 18:20, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)
I added a section under "Media" for salt lake in film, and added the only movie I could think of, SLC Punk. I have seen this section in other city pages, and assume the films should be about or set in the city (ie, not just a general purpose list of films shot in SLC [but set somewhere else] or about Mormonism in general).
Also, I would like to see a section on famous or notable Salt Lakers. From my research in other articles, this seems to be people of national or international note, not say, the guy who does the weather on KSL. Sadly, no one comes to mind... Are there no famous Salt Lakers? Do, say John Stockton or those other Jazz players count, since they are not natives? I know there have to be some.
Also, I would think that John Stockton and Karl Malone are eligible as famous Salt-Lakers, because that's what most people think of when they think of them (aside from basketball).
I take issue with two very POV-ish statements (in bold) added by User:67.40.8.52:
from History:
On July 24, 1847 143 men, three women and two children members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints founded Salt Lake City on the eastern shore of the Great Salt Lake. They were led by Brigham Young who led the Saints after the death of the religion's founder Joseph Smith, Jr.. Upon arrival to the Salt Lake valley, and after driving away the indigenous peoples living on the land the Saints coveted, Young reportedly confirmed a vision by saying, "It is enough. This is the right place. Drive on." Originally named "Great Salt Lake City", the city became Utah's state capital on January 4, 1896.
from Government & Politics:
Although the mayor is officially a non-partisan position, Salt Lake City has elected Democratic mayors for almost the last 16 years, despite the overwhelming local Republican political leanings. City council members tend to be local well-knowns elected under specific issues ( school zoning, economic development, etc.) The metropolitan area's political demographics are unlike much of the rest of Utah and its cities and counties where mostly Republicans or conservative citizens dominate and are represented by politicians of similar persuasion.
I feel these statements should be removed...Comments, Opinions??
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