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How do you think this picture should be included? I think it should be with talk about the celebration of Saint Lucia's day... I just wanted input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grenavitar ( talk) 01:34, 24 February 2005 (UTC)
The traditional "Lucia" song is often sung by Italians (in Venezia for instance) in the Italian language, and is the same melody (but with other lyrics) that is song at the Lucia celebrations in Sweden. Does anyone know anything about this song? -- Fred- Chess 11:58, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
Sankta Lucia is celebrated in Denmark too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.251.207.12 ( talk) 07:40, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
The Scandinavian bit needs to clarify the origins. The Swedish Lucia celebration, strictly speaking, isn't really about Saint Lucy from what I understand. It's a christianization of the pagan yule/midvinterblot celebration. The winter solstice is around Dec 13 in the Julian calendar, and Lucia didn't change dates at the calendar reform. -- BluePlatypus 08:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC) The difference between the Julian and Gregorian calendars goes the other way. The winter solstice is around Jan. 3 on the Julian calendar. -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 18:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
It's disingenuous to ignore that Scandanavians celebrated the longest night of the year before the Christians arrived and that Lucy was already in place when they arrived. Beginning with the tales of the demonic, "Lussi," who ranged far and wide during the long night, the hope of the return of longer days burned brightly among Scandavians. The Lussi were said to capture straying children who went outside during the winter solstice. It has been speculated that the traditions of the maiden with candles in her hair and the, "star boys," grew from attempts to ensure children's safety if they travelled at night since the light would scare away the Lussi.
There is not clear etymological evidence that Lussi evolved into Lucy, or Lucia, but it is not inconceivable that this transition occurred as the Christianization of Scandanavia went forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.220.3 ( talk) 17:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
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In what way is St. Lucy a humanitarian? Probert 19:05, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
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We need to reach consensus regarding the merger tag. As it is Saint Lucy contains more information about the holiday than St. Lucia Day. I suggest we move the "Celebration" bit to St. Lucia Day and move the biographical information about St. Lucy to Saint Lucy. We cross reference accordingly and the deed is done. I don't think a merger is the best sollution as the celebrations deserve more attention than that - it is a significant holiday in Scandinavian culture. What say ye? Celcius 07:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Lucy of Syracuse is also described as having a son named Germinian in the Eastern Orthodox calendar on September 17 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics). It seems to me very unlikely that this Lucy had such a son. It is my hope that the apparent discrepancy as to whether this is the same person can be resolved shortly. John Carter 22:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I have added sourcing to the quotes which Srleffler marked on June 17th with "fact/date" tags. I notice in the text body that he added the hidden comment:
I quite agree with the first sentence, but have significant doubts about the second. I could be wrong, but I rather doubt that Jacobus de Voragine's Golden Legend has seen a lot of translation activity in recent years. Both the ccel.org version here and this one at fordham.edu state that they are the translation by William Caxton, who lived and published near the end of the 15th century. I see some 20th century excerpt volumes listed on Amazon.com, but wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Caxton's is the most recent public domain version of the whole Legend available. If anyone else can find something more recent, I'd be as glad as Srleffler to have this modernized. Thanks. -- MollyTheCat 00:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Saint Lucy is now assessed as "B-class" on the Biography Project! Can we expect to find biographies of Santa Claus, Robin Goodfellow and the Snow Queen? -- Wetman 22:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
An editor changed "Legend has it" to "In her Actae." I changed it back. First, leads should be accessible (see wp:lead). The average reader just stumbles over the assertion that her "actae" say this or that. Second, the wikilink goes to a disambig page, which doesn't even have a link to a proper Actae page. If we don't like the word "legend" for some reason, maybe "In the original account of her life, " or something? Please have mercy on the poor reader who just wants to know about St. Lucy and has no idea what Actae are. Leadwind 15:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
The point of the sentence I think is the issue of 'light' - it is dark in scandinavian countries during december (in some parts the sun does not rise at all). Hence the candles and association with the word 'light' (luce in Italian/ Lux in latin). That is not to say it isn't celebrated elsewhere but not because of the light issue. And children in Malta, Italy, Croatia do not dress up in the same way. The tradition in these countries is also rather around associating Lucy with sight (not light). She is often invoked in prayers for those that are blind or suffering with diseases of the eye. There is no use of candles or other symbols of the light. Contaldo80 ( talk) 12:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the island of St. Lucia, West Indies, Caribbean, was apparently named after this saint? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mermaid7seas ( talk • contribs) 22:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Why is St Lucy considered to be the Patron Saint of salesmen? Nothing in her biography might indicates the reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.154.254 ( talk) 21:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
In the video game Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3, Saint Lucy appears as the Persona Lucia, which allows Fuuka Yamagishi, one of the main characters, to see the weaknesses of the enemies the party is facing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LegallyBlindGamer ( talk • contribs) 07:52, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
I've never heard of Saint Lucy relics in Sweden, nor does the source mention Sweden at all. Should it be removed from the last sentence of the section? -- 158.174.187.91 ( talk) 10:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
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who calls the day "Lucia"? Why not leave it the way English speakers usually do - Lucy? that's the way the article is entitled. Is there some proof or overriding reason to change Lucy to Lucia? This is not a Benson novel. -- 142.163.195.197 ( talk) 13:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
I think this article and related ones should change to St. Lucia's day and not St Lucy'S day. Her name was Lucia and this is how the fest is known in most contemporary usages as can be seen here /info/en/?search=Saint_Lucia_(disambiguation)
I am not sure why wikipedia (or rather wikipedians) does not want to use redirects and use the original more correct name for many people, places and things. It also has a tendency to use odd or strange terms at times for things- by this I mean non-standard English terms, skewed more to American English usages.
In any case as the name Lucy did not exist until 700 years after this saint died it is not a correct usage here. It would be good to write a name clarification like this /info/en/?search=Boudica for the article. I do not want to waste time in an edit war so I will not do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.30.115 ( talk) 06:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
The list of dedications in this article seems to be fairly out of control. Similar lists relating to other saints and their patronage seem to limit themselves to patronages that are notable (a blue link exists) and/or otherwise properly referenced. (See, for example, St. Peter's Church.) What is our intention here? Is it to list every mention of Lucy in international patronage (in which case the list is potentially enormous), or is it to provide links to articles or further information concerning notable patronages (in which case the current list needs pruning)? Timothy Titus Talk To TT 15:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Are the birthday and death dates correct? If so, what type of person would want to marry a 99-year-old woman? Admittedly I didn’t dig into it but it just seems like something is off. 174.247.209.104 ( talk) 21:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I noticed the Saint Lucy's in Campbell, California was not mentioned in the article. I believe there is a church, school and a monastery. 2600:1702:3470:61A0:D1F4:FF15:D081:295B ( talk) 07:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)
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This new "version" is here until we can hear where it appears:
Perhaps new User:Moliate can fill us in on the source.-- Wetman 22:07, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
How do you think this picture should be included? I think it should be with talk about the celebration of Saint Lucia's day... I just wanted input. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grenavitar ( talk) 01:34, 24 February 2005 (UTC)
The traditional "Lucia" song is often sung by Italians (in Venezia for instance) in the Italian language, and is the same melody (but with other lyrics) that is song at the Lucia celebrations in Sweden. Does anyone know anything about this song? -- Fred- Chess 11:58, July 22, 2005 (UTC)
Sankta Lucia is celebrated in Denmark too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.251.207.12 ( talk) 07:40, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
The Scandinavian bit needs to clarify the origins. The Swedish Lucia celebration, strictly speaking, isn't really about Saint Lucy from what I understand. It's a christianization of the pagan yule/midvinterblot celebration. The winter solstice is around Dec 13 in the Julian calendar, and Lucia didn't change dates at the calendar reform. -- BluePlatypus 08:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC) The difference between the Julian and Gregorian calendars goes the other way. The winter solstice is around Jan. 3 on the Julian calendar. -- Richardson mcphillips ( talk) 18:03, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
It's disingenuous to ignore that Scandanavians celebrated the longest night of the year before the Christians arrived and that Lucy was already in place when they arrived. Beginning with the tales of the demonic, "Lussi," who ranged far and wide during the long night, the hope of the return of longer days burned brightly among Scandavians. The Lussi were said to capture straying children who went outside during the winter solstice. It has been speculated that the traditions of the maiden with candles in her hair and the, "star boys," grew from attempts to ensure children's safety if they travelled at night since the light would scare away the Lussi.
There is not clear etymological evidence that Lussi evolved into Lucy, or Lucia, but it is not inconceivable that this transition occurred as the Christianization of Scandanavia went forward. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.49.220.3 ( talk) 17:05, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
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In what way is St. Lucy a humanitarian? Probert 19:05, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
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We need to reach consensus regarding the merger tag. As it is Saint Lucy contains more information about the holiday than St. Lucia Day. I suggest we move the "Celebration" bit to St. Lucia Day and move the biographical information about St. Lucy to Saint Lucy. We cross reference accordingly and the deed is done. I don't think a merger is the best sollution as the celebrations deserve more attention than that - it is a significant holiday in Scandinavian culture. What say ye? Celcius 07:41, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Lucy of Syracuse is also described as having a son named Germinian in the Eastern Orthodox calendar on September 17 (Eastern Orthodox liturgics). It seems to me very unlikely that this Lucy had such a son. It is my hope that the apparent discrepancy as to whether this is the same person can be resolved shortly. John Carter 22:39, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
I have added sourcing to the quotes which Srleffler marked on June 17th with "fact/date" tags. I notice in the text body that he added the hidden comment:
I quite agree with the first sentence, but have significant doubts about the second. I could be wrong, but I rather doubt that Jacobus de Voragine's Golden Legend has seen a lot of translation activity in recent years. Both the ccel.org version here and this one at fordham.edu state that they are the translation by William Caxton, who lived and published near the end of the 15th century. I see some 20th century excerpt volumes listed on Amazon.com, but wouldn't be surprised if it turned out that Caxton's is the most recent public domain version of the whole Legend available. If anyone else can find something more recent, I'd be as glad as Srleffler to have this modernized. Thanks. -- MollyTheCat 00:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
Saint Lucy is now assessed as "B-class" on the Biography Project! Can we expect to find biographies of Santa Claus, Robin Goodfellow and the Snow Queen? -- Wetman 22:04, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
An editor changed "Legend has it" to "In her Actae." I changed it back. First, leads should be accessible (see wp:lead). The average reader just stumbles over the assertion that her "actae" say this or that. Second, the wikilink goes to a disambig page, which doesn't even have a link to a proper Actae page. If we don't like the word "legend" for some reason, maybe "In the original account of her life, " or something? Please have mercy on the poor reader who just wants to know about St. Lucy and has no idea what Actae are. Leadwind 15:47, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
The point of the sentence I think is the issue of 'light' - it is dark in scandinavian countries during december (in some parts the sun does not rise at all). Hence the candles and association with the word 'light' (luce in Italian/ Lux in latin). That is not to say it isn't celebrated elsewhere but not because of the light issue. And children in Malta, Italy, Croatia do not dress up in the same way. The tradition in these countries is also rather around associating Lucy with sight (not light). She is often invoked in prayers for those that are blind or suffering with diseases of the eye. There is no use of candles or other symbols of the light. Contaldo80 ( talk) 12:14, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone know why the island of St. Lucia, West Indies, Caribbean, was apparently named after this saint? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mermaid7seas ( talk • contribs) 22:04, 26 January 2011 (UTC)
Why is St Lucy considered to be the Patron Saint of salesmen? Nothing in her biography might indicates the reason. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.104.154.254 ( talk) 21:46, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
In the video game Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3, Saint Lucy appears as the Persona Lucia, which allows Fuuka Yamagishi, one of the main characters, to see the weaknesses of the enemies the party is facing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LegallyBlindGamer ( talk • contribs) 07:52, 24 November 2014 (UTC)
I've never heard of Saint Lucy relics in Sweden, nor does the source mention Sweden at all. Should it be removed from the last sentence of the section? -- 158.174.187.91 ( talk) 10:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)
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who calls the day "Lucia"? Why not leave it the way English speakers usually do - Lucy? that's the way the article is entitled. Is there some proof or overriding reason to change Lucy to Lucia? This is not a Benson novel. -- 142.163.195.197 ( talk) 13:43, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
I think this article and related ones should change to St. Lucia's day and not St Lucy'S day. Her name was Lucia and this is how the fest is known in most contemporary usages as can be seen here /info/en/?search=Saint_Lucia_(disambiguation)
I am not sure why wikipedia (or rather wikipedians) does not want to use redirects and use the original more correct name for many people, places and things. It also has a tendency to use odd or strange terms at times for things- by this I mean non-standard English terms, skewed more to American English usages.
In any case as the name Lucy did not exist until 700 years after this saint died it is not a correct usage here. It would be good to write a name clarification like this /info/en/?search=Boudica for the article. I do not want to waste time in an edit war so I will not do that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.30.115 ( talk) 06:11, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
The list of dedications in this article seems to be fairly out of control. Similar lists relating to other saints and their patronage seem to limit themselves to patronages that are notable (a blue link exists) and/or otherwise properly referenced. (See, for example, St. Peter's Church.) What is our intention here? Is it to list every mention of Lucy in international patronage (in which case the list is potentially enormous), or is it to provide links to articles or further information concerning notable patronages (in which case the current list needs pruning)? Timothy Titus Talk To TT 15:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
Are the birthday and death dates correct? If so, what type of person would want to marry a 99-year-old woman? Admittedly I didn’t dig into it but it just seems like something is off. 174.247.209.104 ( talk) 21:17, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I noticed the Saint Lucy's in Campbell, California was not mentioned in the article. I believe there is a church, school and a monastery. 2600:1702:3470:61A0:D1F4:FF15:D081:295B ( talk) 07:34, 29 September 2022 (UTC)