Added a reference to Le Moine et la sorcière. I think someone who knows more about this than I ought to weave Fr. Etienne de Bourbon into the article proper, as he was the first man of letters to encounter and report on this phenomenon.-- Themill 05:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Changed "It was alleged by Catholic commentators, dismayed by the worship of a dog, that the locals sacrificed babies at the site." to "It was alleged by contemporary commentators that locals left their babies at the site to be healed by the dog, and sometimes the babies would be harmed by the rituals..." The people venerating the dog-saint were also Catholics, and the rumour was of people leaving babies to be healed, not sacrificing them. Added quote from Stephen of Bourbon to back this up. -- yewtree ( talk) 14:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed previous image which was labeled as one of St. Guinefort. It was actually an illumination from Livre de chase by the Count of Foix, mostly known as Gaston Phoebus, and particularly an image of himself. I have illustrations which allude to this Medieval dog-saint, tho alas, still figuring out how to upload! GetMedievalWithMevanwy ( talk) 20:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
The Dutch version of this article claims (without sources) that the name Guinefort may be a perversion of "Cynephor", which is somehow a variant of Cynoceph, suggesting that the cult was somehow confusedly founded on veneration of St. Christopher who, being from Canaan, was formerly often depicted as canine, with a dog's head. The first link at the bottom of this article may well be that source, but I don't know how credible it is. Does anyone else have a source for this name derivation that seems more citable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.56.176 ( talk) 20:55, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
It would be nice to know where its grave is. "Near Lyons" is rather vague. Thanks. Rwflammang ( talk) 15:59, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello
7&6=thirteen, per
WP:BRD I removed some of your additions to this article
here, explaining in the edit summary that I assess those four “sources” to be
self-published sources. Per BRD, you should Discuss the contribution, and the reasons for the contribution, on the article's talk page with the person who reverted your contribution. Don't restore your changes ...
(bolding mine). Now I have commenced the discussion on your behalf, if you still feel these sources are worthy of inclusion please outline what evidence you have of their reliability.
Cavalryman (
talk)
23:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC).
Celebrate St. Guinefort the greyhound saint on August 22.
I cannot see anywhere above where you have explained anything, I suggest you provide a diff. Now, again, what about these sources do you think make them reliable? That they are self-published is undeniable, so do you have any WP:Verifiable information about the authors that establishes them as subject-matter experts? Again, please no aspersions. Cavalryman ( talk) 12:51, 21 November 2021 (UTC).
Thirteen, no one is bearing arms, pursuing victories or beating deceased animals. We are having an honest and frank discussion about sources, something that happens every minute across Wikipedia, because information drawn from unreliable sources is damaging to the encyclopedia. I have not sought anyone’s assistance in this matter, if you have evidence to the contrary I would urge you to take it to ANI, otherwise again no aspersions please. Cavalryman ( talk) 05:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
This article could raise a number of questions. Is Guinefort officially recognised as a saint by the RC church? Are there any other examples of animal saints, either folk saints or officially recognised by any Christian church? PatGallacher ( talk) 00:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Greetings,
Another example: There is a pivotal section in Babe (film), 1995, that utilizes a Saint Guinefort-style tale. After a dog pack attacks the sheep Maa, the protagonist piggy, Babe, drives it away. However, the sheep is mortally wounded and as Babe nuzzles his dying friend, he gets her blood on his nose. The Farmer arrives to find the dead Maa and Babe with her blood on him and thinks the worst. Just as he is about to dispatch the hero pig with his shotgun, his wife tells him of the dog pack attacking nearby farms. Not the quite the grisly ending of Guinefort, but it came thiiiis close (imagine my best Maxwell Smart voice).
[By way of explanation to you, the section is pivotal because the other sheep respect Babe's actions and help him at a crucial point later in the film. "Bah, ram, ewe!"]
Thank you for your time, Wordreader ( talk) 17:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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Added a reference to Le Moine et la sorcière. I think someone who knows more about this than I ought to weave Fr. Etienne de Bourbon into the article proper, as he was the first man of letters to encounter and report on this phenomenon.-- Themill 05:44, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
Changed "It was alleged by Catholic commentators, dismayed by the worship of a dog, that the locals sacrificed babies at the site." to "It was alleged by contemporary commentators that locals left their babies at the site to be healed by the dog, and sometimes the babies would be harmed by the rituals..." The people venerating the dog-saint were also Catholics, and the rumour was of people leaving babies to be healed, not sacrificing them. Added quote from Stephen of Bourbon to back this up. -- yewtree ( talk) 14:18, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
I've removed previous image which was labeled as one of St. Guinefort. It was actually an illumination from Livre de chase by the Count of Foix, mostly known as Gaston Phoebus, and particularly an image of himself. I have illustrations which allude to this Medieval dog-saint, tho alas, still figuring out how to upload! GetMedievalWithMevanwy ( talk) 20:43, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
The Dutch version of this article claims (without sources) that the name Guinefort may be a perversion of "Cynephor", which is somehow a variant of Cynoceph, suggesting that the cult was somehow confusedly founded on veneration of St. Christopher who, being from Canaan, was formerly often depicted as canine, with a dog's head. The first link at the bottom of this article may well be that source, but I don't know how credible it is. Does anyone else have a source for this name derivation that seems more citable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.56.176 ( talk) 20:55, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
It would be nice to know where its grave is. "Near Lyons" is rather vague. Thanks. Rwflammang ( talk) 15:59, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
Hello
7&6=thirteen, per
WP:BRD I removed some of your additions to this article
here, explaining in the edit summary that I assess those four “sources” to be
self-published sources. Per BRD, you should Discuss the contribution, and the reasons for the contribution, on the article's talk page with the person who reverted your contribution. Don't restore your changes ...
(bolding mine). Now I have commenced the discussion on your behalf, if you still feel these sources are worthy of inclusion please outline what evidence you have of their reliability.
Cavalryman (
talk)
23:03, 19 November 2021 (UTC).
Celebrate St. Guinefort the greyhound saint on August 22.
I cannot see anywhere above where you have explained anything, I suggest you provide a diff. Now, again, what about these sources do you think make them reliable? That they are self-published is undeniable, so do you have any WP:Verifiable information about the authors that establishes them as subject-matter experts? Again, please no aspersions. Cavalryman ( talk) 12:51, 21 November 2021 (UTC).
Thirteen, no one is bearing arms, pursuing victories or beating deceased animals. We are having an honest and frank discussion about sources, something that happens every minute across Wikipedia, because information drawn from unreliable sources is damaging to the encyclopedia. I have not sought anyone’s assistance in this matter, if you have evidence to the contrary I would urge you to take it to ANI, otherwise again no aspersions please. Cavalryman ( talk) 05:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
This article could raise a number of questions. Is Guinefort officially recognised as a saint by the RC church? Are there any other examples of animal saints, either folk saints or officially recognised by any Christian church? PatGallacher ( talk) 00:04, 5 March 2022 (UTC)
Greetings,
Another example: There is a pivotal section in Babe (film), 1995, that utilizes a Saint Guinefort-style tale. After a dog pack attacks the sheep Maa, the protagonist piggy, Babe, drives it away. However, the sheep is mortally wounded and as Babe nuzzles his dying friend, he gets her blood on his nose. The Farmer arrives to find the dead Maa and Babe with her blood on him and thinks the worst. Just as he is about to dispatch the hero pig with his shotgun, his wife tells him of the dog pack attacking nearby farms. Not the quite the grisly ending of Guinefort, but it came thiiiis close (imagine my best Maxwell Smart voice).
[By way of explanation to you, the section is pivotal because the other sheep respect Babe's actions and help him at a crucial point later in the film. "Bah, ram, ewe!"]
Thank you for your time, Wordreader ( talk) 17:15, 26 June 2024 (UTC)