![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
![]() | This redirect does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||
|
Now that the article has grown in length, Is it about time to Split them up? Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
From the section on the Myu: "In their songs, the Starlights refer to themselves as "Soldiers of Space," implying that they are not tied to a single star or planet but travel to bring justice with Kakyuu serving as their main leader. Whether this applies to their versions in the manga or anime is unknown."
Isn't this incorrect? In the anime and manga they're from/tied to Kinmoku. Maybe I misunderstood what they're saying? Also, is there a citation for this? It seems a little speculative. Yumecosmos 20:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Another thing is that it says that the Amazon Trio fills the Starlights role in protecting Moon, they didn't untill the VERY end, for about two minutes, the rest of Shin Densetsu Kourin they were villans and fighting Moon. The only thing that The Amazon trio and Starlights have in comon in the Musicals is that Hikari Ono played someone in both of them(Sailor Star Maker and Hawks Eye) Yayamaya 20:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to move the following things out of the individual profiles: items, attacks, transformations, and music. These ought to go into one section total. As is, we have the same two items being stated three times. This'll improve readability. Xuanwu 08:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
1. There is a picture of Seiya and Usagi in his section, but then no subsequent pictures in the other sections, making the article look a little disbalanced. I would suggest the following: The picture where the threelights is is removed, we find an appropriate picture for Taiki and Yaten as well. (I know the temptation people have to overtake the other two with Seiya...) remove the Seiya and Usagi picture in addition--this is not an S/U shipper page and that picture might give that impression. (The article should be about Seiya, not about Seiya and Usagi and how the fandom loves them and speculates they should be together.) I think this would be fair. The article needs to be kept in balance, just like the manga, anime, musicals, dub, PGSM etc in the other articles need to stay balanced. We can't favor one character over another or one relationship over another. Thus, isn't it fair to do it this way?
2. The episode support listing looks wrong. It's linking words rather than doing proper referencing. This seriously needs to be fixed because it's not in compliance with the manual of style and not consistent with other SM articles. (i.e. I don't think Seiya should be made all that more special in citations =P)
3. We need to decide what needs to be added to the pages to make them more individual later down the road to automatically earn them a B-rating. It should comply a little to the Ami page in length and shape.
4. The stats need serious clean up. Physical traits should not be listed. Unless you are blind, what's the point of listing it when the picture is right there? In addition some representations of character's physical traits, Sailor suits, etc change over the course of the series and it's self-defeating to list them one way when they are seen in other fashions. And if we are really listing it for blind people, what's the point of saying she had brown hair? The traits should conform to the listed order in the Ami's stats. If a stat cannot be supported by the manga or anime, or other form directly, it has to be deleted. All stats need referencing. >.<;;
5. All references should be footnotes with the footnote coming after the period without a space in between.
6. We need more citations in general... there are a lot of unsupported statements.-- Hitsuji Kinno 21:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
The English manga has "Lights" as the Starlights' family name (Seiya Lights, Taiki Lights and Yaten Lights). I went ahead and created a re-direct to the Starlights page with those three names. - Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 23:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the article seems to state pretty definitely that Kou is their first name. I don't think it should say this so certainly, since that's pretty much a fan debate (unless there is some proof I don't know about). Also, at the beginning their names are given as Kou Yaten, Kou Taiki, and Kou Seiya. Since we don't know the "true" order, I think it would be better to just write the names as they are given in canon. Putting Kou first takes a definite side with the people who say Kou is their first name. Should I change it? Yumecosmos 23:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
In this case there is no dispute because their first names are Kou and no matter how not uncommon it is for J-pop stars, there is definitive proof in the original manga text. On page 77 of the original print of the tankoubon manga #16, there is a panel that shows school test results and it very clearly says "Mizuno, Ami" and "Taiki, Kou". No matter how J-pop stars refer to themselves, when it comes to things like that, all the names will be listed the same with the family name first and that makes Taiki his last name. Novadestin ( talk) 09:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone do the switch for me? I put the images up on my server... but I need someone to check them over, say they are OK, and upload them to the proper places with the proper copyright. Somehow I don't feel right doing it myself. -- Hitsuji Kinno 05:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
(Reseting Indent) I thought they also appeared on a trading card like that... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 ( talk • contribs).
Image: Three Rights Do we need it? By that, I wonder if it adds anything to the article. In addition if it is going to be there it should be the three of them, not just Seiya... Again keep the balance to this article. Is it OK to delete it off of this page? -- Hitsuji Kinno 05:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
2 things. In general, i love it, i'm surpised we hadn't thought of it sooner but one thing troubles me. The afilations Box. 1st. Kakyuu is not a group so they can't be part of her. 2nd. While they are senshi. They are not members of the Sailor Team. What we have in there now seems more like Allies than affilations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 ( talk • contribs) 16:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
Form | Manga | Anime |
---|---|---|
Seiya | -- | -- |
Sailor Star Fighter | ? | ? |
Yaten | -- | -- |
Sailor Star Healer | ? | ? |
Taiki | ? | -- |
Sailor Star Maker | ? | ? |
Fill it in and plop it in! Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Since they're a band, do you think these guys' music section should stick around? Maybe converted to prose? -- Masamage 18:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Why were the translations removed? No reason was given. -- Masamage 16:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Kakyuu says, "Do you use that appearance on Earth?" (referring tho the male appearance) Seiya replies, "Oh.. to find the only lady here, this was more convenient." (blushes) Right after that Seiya gets a soft look in his eyes. A planet with three moons shows up (might be worth screencapping to illustrate their home planet.) And the song was meant for her, and Seiya the Kakyuu assumes wrote it. The scene continues by overlaying Usagi over Kakyuu, and focusing on Seiya and Kakyuu alone. This may show confusion that Seiya feels towards Usagi, confusing her with Kakyuu. All that time they spent time alone is often downplayed by shippers, but in a balanced page should be mentioned rather than downplayed. I addition the little chat about appearances on earth is worth noting, even if it's not direct. (Because Japanese is indirect speech to begin with which I can back up with an article or two or a video if you choose... Culture and Communication.) I do not wish to flame shippers--frankly, I don't care, but I thought it was worth mentioning for the fair and balanced rule of wikipedia and neutrality rule.
Note, Kakyuu only calls Seiya Fighter. -- Hitsuji Kinno 04:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
It's been several weeks. If there are no objections this information will be included in the Seiya section of the article this coming Friday or Saturday. --
Hitsuji Kinno
13:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
It's been proposed that this article be merged with Princess Kakyuu into a new article called Kinmoku. Please discuss at Talk:Princess Kakyuu. -- Masamage ♫ 18:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Shall we just let that one go? We talked about it recently and nobody seemed to care about it much. Now that it's not on Engrish anymore, it's not really doing anything. -- Masamage ♫ 06:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The image has been deleted. - Malkinann 00:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I've seen the ENTIRE stars series, and I'm 90% postive, that they don't wear any make up. However, the images we have show that. Should we mention it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.217.34 ( talk) 14:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
That doesn't really matter much. It's only the lipstick that shows in the pictures and it's only on Fighter and Maker's. Makeup isn't really that important. ;) Karuseikaarie ( talk) 04:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I edited the reference. This is actually a theory and probably doesn't belong on Wikipedia as it's original research. But since this tidbit has survived, I've edited the citation to where it needs to properly go. I had posited the theory that the San Hikari were tied to the Starlights long ago and websites such as Starlight Pops and others liked the theory and have cited me on it since then. But I'd prefer if this theory is going to remain as trivia or part of the article on Wikipedia that I continue to be credited for it, or else it should be removed. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnemosynehime ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
==5th season==The German Dub showed all episodes except 89.
I come with this proposal to merge some of the contents of this page into the List of Sailor Moon characters. This is mainly because of Wikipedia:Notability. The article does not contain any section regarding reception and impact in popular culture. Even series creator Naoko Takeuchi has expressed that the Starlights are not even main characters in the manga. Not all contents would be merged into the list of characters, but only the Profiles and Development sections. The rest is cruft and in-universe information. With this merge, the list of charaters will not be more than 100 KB long. Thoughts? -- LoЯd ۞pεth 22:03, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
![]() | This redirect does not require a rating on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||
|
Now that the article has grown in length, Is it about time to Split them up? Lego3400: The Sage of Time 20:29, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
From the section on the Myu: "In their songs, the Starlights refer to themselves as "Soldiers of Space," implying that they are not tied to a single star or planet but travel to bring justice with Kakyuu serving as their main leader. Whether this applies to their versions in the manga or anime is unknown."
Isn't this incorrect? In the anime and manga they're from/tied to Kinmoku. Maybe I misunderstood what they're saying? Also, is there a citation for this? It seems a little speculative. Yumecosmos 20:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Another thing is that it says that the Amazon Trio fills the Starlights role in protecting Moon, they didn't untill the VERY end, for about two minutes, the rest of Shin Densetsu Kourin they were villans and fighting Moon. The only thing that The Amazon trio and Starlights have in comon in the Musicals is that Hikari Ono played someone in both of them(Sailor Star Maker and Hawks Eye) Yayamaya 20:02, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm going to move the following things out of the individual profiles: items, attacks, transformations, and music. These ought to go into one section total. As is, we have the same two items being stated three times. This'll improve readability. Xuanwu 08:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
1. There is a picture of Seiya and Usagi in his section, but then no subsequent pictures in the other sections, making the article look a little disbalanced. I would suggest the following: The picture where the threelights is is removed, we find an appropriate picture for Taiki and Yaten as well. (I know the temptation people have to overtake the other two with Seiya...) remove the Seiya and Usagi picture in addition--this is not an S/U shipper page and that picture might give that impression. (The article should be about Seiya, not about Seiya and Usagi and how the fandom loves them and speculates they should be together.) I think this would be fair. The article needs to be kept in balance, just like the manga, anime, musicals, dub, PGSM etc in the other articles need to stay balanced. We can't favor one character over another or one relationship over another. Thus, isn't it fair to do it this way?
2. The episode support listing looks wrong. It's linking words rather than doing proper referencing. This seriously needs to be fixed because it's not in compliance with the manual of style and not consistent with other SM articles. (i.e. I don't think Seiya should be made all that more special in citations =P)
3. We need to decide what needs to be added to the pages to make them more individual later down the road to automatically earn them a B-rating. It should comply a little to the Ami page in length and shape.
4. The stats need serious clean up. Physical traits should not be listed. Unless you are blind, what's the point of listing it when the picture is right there? In addition some representations of character's physical traits, Sailor suits, etc change over the course of the series and it's self-defeating to list them one way when they are seen in other fashions. And if we are really listing it for blind people, what's the point of saying she had brown hair? The traits should conform to the listed order in the Ami's stats. If a stat cannot be supported by the manga or anime, or other form directly, it has to be deleted. All stats need referencing. >.<;;
5. All references should be footnotes with the footnote coming after the period without a space in between.
6. We need more citations in general... there are a lot of unsupported statements.-- Hitsuji Kinno 21:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
The English manga has "Lights" as the Starlights' family name (Seiya Lights, Taiki Lights and Yaten Lights). I went ahead and created a re-direct to the Starlights page with those three names. - Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 23:50, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
I noticed that the article seems to state pretty definitely that Kou is their first name. I don't think it should say this so certainly, since that's pretty much a fan debate (unless there is some proof I don't know about). Also, at the beginning their names are given as Kou Yaten, Kou Taiki, and Kou Seiya. Since we don't know the "true" order, I think it would be better to just write the names as they are given in canon. Putting Kou first takes a definite side with the people who say Kou is their first name. Should I change it? Yumecosmos 23:01, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
In this case there is no dispute because their first names are Kou and no matter how not uncommon it is for J-pop stars, there is definitive proof in the original manga text. On page 77 of the original print of the tankoubon manga #16, there is a panel that shows school test results and it very clearly says "Mizuno, Ami" and "Taiki, Kou". No matter how J-pop stars refer to themselves, when it comes to things like that, all the names will be listed the same with the family name first and that makes Taiki his last name. Novadestin ( talk) 09:18, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Can someone do the switch for me? I put the images up on my server... but I need someone to check them over, say they are OK, and upload them to the proper places with the proper copyright. Somehow I don't feel right doing it myself. -- Hitsuji Kinno 05:35, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
(Reseting Indent) I thought they also appeared on a trading card like that... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 ( talk • contribs).
Image: Three Rights Do we need it? By that, I wonder if it adds anything to the article. In addition if it is going to be there it should be the three of them, not just Seiya... Again keep the balance to this article. Is it OK to delete it off of this page? -- Hitsuji Kinno 05:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
2 things. In general, i love it, i'm surpised we hadn't thought of it sooner but one thing troubles me. The afilations Box. 1st. Kakyuu is not a group so they can't be part of her. 2nd. While they are senshi. They are not members of the Sailor Team. What we have in there now seems more like Allies than affilations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lego3400 ( talk • contribs) 16:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC).
Form | Manga | Anime |
---|---|---|
Seiya | -- | -- |
Sailor Star Fighter | ? | ? |
Yaten | -- | -- |
Sailor Star Healer | ? | ? |
Taiki | ? | -- |
Sailor Star Maker | ? | ? |
Fill it in and plop it in! Lego3400: The Sage of Time 16:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
Since they're a band, do you think these guys' music section should stick around? Maybe converted to prose? -- Masamage 18:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
Why were the translations removed? No reason was given. -- Masamage 16:04, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
Kakyuu says, "Do you use that appearance on Earth?" (referring tho the male appearance) Seiya replies, "Oh.. to find the only lady here, this was more convenient." (blushes) Right after that Seiya gets a soft look in his eyes. A planet with three moons shows up (might be worth screencapping to illustrate their home planet.) And the song was meant for her, and Seiya the Kakyuu assumes wrote it. The scene continues by overlaying Usagi over Kakyuu, and focusing on Seiya and Kakyuu alone. This may show confusion that Seiya feels towards Usagi, confusing her with Kakyuu. All that time they spent time alone is often downplayed by shippers, but in a balanced page should be mentioned rather than downplayed. I addition the little chat about appearances on earth is worth noting, even if it's not direct. (Because Japanese is indirect speech to begin with which I can back up with an article or two or a video if you choose... Culture and Communication.) I do not wish to flame shippers--frankly, I don't care, but I thought it was worth mentioning for the fair and balanced rule of wikipedia and neutrality rule.
Note, Kakyuu only calls Seiya Fighter. -- Hitsuji Kinno 04:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
It's been several weeks. If there are no objections this information will be included in the Seiya section of the article this coming Friday or Saturday. --
Hitsuji Kinno
13:34, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
It's been proposed that this article be merged with Princess Kakyuu into a new article called Kinmoku. Please discuss at Talk:Princess Kakyuu. -- Masamage ♫ 18:43, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
Shall we just let that one go? We talked about it recently and nobody seemed to care about it much. Now that it's not on Engrish anymore, it's not really doing anything. -- Masamage ♫ 06:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The image has been deleted. - Malkinann 00:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
I've seen the ENTIRE stars series, and I'm 90% postive, that they don't wear any make up. However, the images we have show that. Should we mention it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.217.34 ( talk) 14:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
That doesn't really matter much. It's only the lipstick that shows in the pictures and it's only on Fighter and Maker's. Makeup isn't really that important. ;) Karuseikaarie ( talk) 04:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
I edited the reference. This is actually a theory and probably doesn't belong on Wikipedia as it's original research. But since this tidbit has survived, I've edited the citation to where it needs to properly go. I had posited the theory that the San Hikari were tied to the Starlights long ago and websites such as Starlight Pops and others liked the theory and have cited me on it since then. But I'd prefer if this theory is going to remain as trivia or part of the article on Wikipedia that I continue to be credited for it, or else it should be removed. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mnemosynehime ( talk • contribs) 22:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
==5th season==The German Dub showed all episodes except 89.
I come with this proposal to merge some of the contents of this page into the List of Sailor Moon characters. This is mainly because of Wikipedia:Notability. The article does not contain any section regarding reception and impact in popular culture. Even series creator Naoko Takeuchi has expressed that the Starlights are not even main characters in the manga. Not all contents would be merged into the list of characters, but only the Profiles and Development sections. The rest is cruft and in-universe information. With this merge, the list of charaters will not be more than 100 KB long. Thoughts? -- LoЯd ۞pεth 22:03, 30 September 2015 (UTC)