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After the torture with the dub... I realized something I had thankfully forgotten (i.e. everything with the dub is thankfully forgotten). That is Tomoe and the dub pronunciation of Tomoe are different, though spelled the same. I think this should have a light mention somewhere. Anyone want to add it? -- Hitsuji Kinno 21:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
The descriptions for Death Reborn Revolution and dropping the Silence Glaive contradict themselves. Death Reborn Revolution should probably be edited to describe what it actually does, and that is it inflicts a heavy amount of damage in the manga, and is an attack used before Saturn dropped her glaive in the anime (according to the official film books)-- not that it has the power to destroy the world. mochi 13:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
mabye she just cut pharoh 90 to ribbons (pun intended) but not useing an sailor attack Sailor cuteness 20:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
She is 13 in Super, but I was under the impression that in the anime she is much younger when she returns in Stars. Given her height, body shape/size, her voice, her looks, etc. in Stars compared to her in Super, I'd honestly guess that she was about 8 or 9 in Stars. How is it known that she returns to being 13 in the anime? Here are two pictures for comparison: Hotaru in Super x Hotaru in Stars —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.111.135 ( talk • contribs)
She might me older then most of the inner scouts if she wasn't in that explosion and was no reborn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.174 ( talk) 18:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I added a link to a youtube of Saturns transformation, is this alright? Lego3400: The Sage of Time 04:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
no one was saying its in the anime ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 16:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
My thought is that if we used the manga-style Saturn image for our lead, then she would at least match up with Sailor Pluto's lead image (as Neptune and Uranus match each other). Possibly it should be zoomed in somewhat to make it larger and stronger? -- Masamage 19:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
i think the manga image would look better zoomed in (thats the only reasion i thoght the other one was better :P) ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 19:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
yer it looks way cool now its zoomed :} ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 21:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Of all the series, only the musicals have ever included songs specifically about Sailor Saturn. [1] [2]
References
Before using Silence Glaive Surprise in Nehelenia's palace, Sailor Saturn raised her Silence Glaive and said, "There seems to be no choice," and that she was going to "release the power of Death." She also said that she was going to "end everything." She is about to destroy the planet. When Nehelenia gets scared and asks Saturn why she'd do it and if it was worth it, Saturn replies, "I believe in our princess." When Nehelenia gets to blasting Saturn with her power and Saturn is blocking all of it with her Silent Wall, before she goes through with her word to release the power of Death, she says, "Princess, please save our future!" She refers to her princess again. I personally think this kind of corresponds to what she says to Sailor Moon in the Infinity Arc of the manga, in that shes putting her hope onto Sailor Moon to revive the world after she destroys it. What do you think? Anyway, she then goes on to use the Silence Glaive Surprise, but as shes swinging down the glaive Chibimoon throws herself onto Saturn before Saturn can finish bringing down the glaive, not after. The glaive was actually still being held in the air at a 60 degree angle, not close to ground at all, but even so, there was still a huge explosion easily engulfed the entire palace. So apparently, power (and a damn lot of it) is released from the glaive as soon as she begins to lower it, so even if she doesnt finish lowering the glaive to the ground there is still awesome power released from it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.111.135 ( talk • contribs)
Please be aware of the discussion at WP:SM about moving this article to the title Sailor Saturn. -- Masamage ♫ 18:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone clear this up for me? Does Sailor Saturn's power destroy the world directly? Or (and note the difference here) is her power enough to destroy the world?
For example, I can say I have enough power to break a brick but that power can be used in other places. I can also say my power is to break a brick, which is only, applicable to...the brick.
So which is it? I think that in the manga her power destroys the world (end-of-sentence-period). Because Super Sailor Moon is there to revive it. And in the anime, she possesses enough power to destroy the world (its a sort of measurement of her power), that hits the enemy with an outrageously strong blow. (I guess like...I don't know...Self-Destruct in Pokemon.)
Can we make the difference (if there is any) show up in the article please?
Oh, and btw, does she die at the end of Infinity (S) in the manga? -- 70.107.173.207 18:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Suggesting that Sailor Saturn has enough "power" to destroy a planet but cannot actually destroy a planet with it (and yes, I understand what you mean by this) is incorrect; Haruka and Michiru didn't spend half the season trying to kill Hotaru fearing that Sailor Saturn could use "a power strong enough to destroy the world" to attack a single opponent; Sailor Saturn isn't called the Soldier of Ruin and the Soldier of Destruction because she can only attack opponents with planet destroying power. That whole concept is just silly. In the anime, Sailor Saturn has power that can destroy a planet. It's as simple as that. Now, Pharoah 90 hadn't yet made it to Earth when Saturn used her power (Saturn went to Pharoah 90 before he arrived on Earth), so that is why the Earth wasn't destroyed when Sailor Saturn used her power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.248.227.212 ( talk • contribs)
Reset indents.
Fixing a mistake... it was Sailor Saturn that was sealed in the time gate.. But Princess Serenity still was able to reverse the destruction in the manga (making her probably more powerful than her anime counterpart.)
Secondly, I would argue that it was not Sailor Saturn that destroyed Pharaoh 90. It was Sailor Moon, or do you not remember her going all out and crying her transformation phrase? (That's some wonderful voicing, BTW). Sailor Saturn, not once ever called out an attack, rather it sounded like physical slashing.
If you want to know *how* powerful Sailor Saturn is, this is the wrong place. Because we will not speculate. We will not say she must be all gads of powerful. The facts were listed for you. The most powerful attack she has is Death Reborn Revolution, which did not show up in the anime (And it's not right to speculate she has such an attack, because we do not know the words or extent of that power... just that she *may*have an equivalent), Silence Glaive Surprise is a lesser attack, she did physical attacks against Pharaoh 90, but did not defeat him (Sailor Moon did), and we don't know the extent of her power in the anime, because we won't surmise with you. That's it straight blank because the anime *did not* tell us how powerful she is. *However* I do think that in either canon that Sailor Moon is *apparently* stronger. Sailor Moon does things in the Eastern mind which constitutes power and being a Japanese show with a mainly Japanese audience in mind, I do think Sailor Moon, being the title character is most powerful. There is an entire arc devoted to establishing this (Stars) and also a series (Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon Sailor Stars.)--
Hitsuji Kinno
16:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
See the discussion here. Like I say there, I think we can do without the pictures of the musical actresses. The first one was put up at Sailor Uranus by some random person, and I ended up hunting down a few more (for the other Outers, ChibiChibi, Starlights, and Galaxia), but in the end I don't think they're really necessary. If the Hotaru picture goes, I say we get rid of the others as well. The only exception I can think of might be ChibiChibi, because the relative age of the actress playing her is interesting. -- Masamage ♫ 04:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
There is a picture in the manga where the glaive wasn't developed yet that's clearly meant to be of Sailor Saturn. Does this count as part of the "development" section?-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 05:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sailor Saturn's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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It says on the main page that Sailor Saturn did not live among the other Sailor Soldiers during the time of the Silver Millenium and that her coming had always been prevented by Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto. But then further down in the article it is mentioned that during the time of the Silver Millenium Princess Saturn wore a purple gown and lived in the Titan castle. This is a contradiction that needs to be fixed. JupiterThunder ( talk) 08:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
This article had a lot of POV. Like best, etc. Also it had a lot of OR which I cut out of the article, like, perhaps, maybe, and for Sailor Saturn this is maybe her most important... She's not a living character, so I cut that, I worked on organization and upgraded her development section. I also added places where citations are needed because a lot of this article isn't supported. As the references are now, it won't pass B class classification, so the next sweep after we stabilize this article's contents more should be for that citation sweep.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 17:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
There was a sentence in the article saying that in the anime, Hotaru's mother was only seen in the shadows. That is not correct. I took that out. She says her mother is dead, and if there is any objection, I will be glad to find the episode to back this up. I do not recall the exact episode in S where it is said, but I can easily find out. Just let me know. :) -- UsagiEriko ( talk) 00:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Would you say she belongs in the category Category:Fictional cyborgs? Because she's explicitly referred to as one in the article at least twice. I think she fits. Maximajorian Viridio ( talk) 23:53, 22 December 2018 (UTC)vndfnbvjdsbvjkbsdjkflcxbvjldxcbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbnbdnbffhsgvjhadfghadfgcdjhfvmc b vbfvcdbvjhsdfhsdhb
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An early version of the Tokyopop manga in the printed Smile magazine #6 used "Jenny" in one panel but used "Hotaru" for all others. This was changed for the graphic novel volumes to "Hotaru" for all occasions https://www.sailormoonforum.com/index.php?threads/revisiting-the-tokyopop-manga.32756/page-5 WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
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After the torture with the dub... I realized something I had thankfully forgotten (i.e. everything with the dub is thankfully forgotten). That is Tomoe and the dub pronunciation of Tomoe are different, though spelled the same. I think this should have a light mention somewhere. Anyone want to add it? -- Hitsuji Kinno 21:27, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
The descriptions for Death Reborn Revolution and dropping the Silence Glaive contradict themselves. Death Reborn Revolution should probably be edited to describe what it actually does, and that is it inflicts a heavy amount of damage in the manga, and is an attack used before Saturn dropped her glaive in the anime (according to the official film books)-- not that it has the power to destroy the world. mochi 13:21, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
mabye she just cut pharoh 90 to ribbons (pun intended) but not useing an sailor attack Sailor cuteness 20:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
She is 13 in Super, but I was under the impression that in the anime she is much younger when she returns in Stars. Given her height, body shape/size, her voice, her looks, etc. in Stars compared to her in Super, I'd honestly guess that she was about 8 or 9 in Stars. How is it known that she returns to being 13 in the anime? Here are two pictures for comparison: Hotaru in Super x Hotaru in Stars —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.111.135 ( talk • contribs)
She might me older then most of the inner scouts if she wasn't in that explosion and was no reborn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.73.64.174 ( talk) 18:13, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
I added a link to a youtube of Saturns transformation, is this alright? Lego3400: The Sage of Time 04:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
no one was saying its in the anime ♥Eternal Pink-ready for love♥ 16:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
My thought is that if we used the manga-style Saturn image for our lead, then she would at least match up with Sailor Pluto's lead image (as Neptune and Uranus match each other). Possibly it should be zoomed in somewhat to make it larger and stronger? -- Masamage 19:07, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
i think the manga image would look better zoomed in (thats the only reasion i thoght the other one was better :P) ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 19:42, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
yer it looks way cool now its zoomed :} ♥sailor cuteness-ready for love♥ 21:52, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
Of all the series, only the musicals have ever included songs specifically about Sailor Saturn. [1] [2]
References
Before using Silence Glaive Surprise in Nehelenia's palace, Sailor Saturn raised her Silence Glaive and said, "There seems to be no choice," and that she was going to "release the power of Death." She also said that she was going to "end everything." She is about to destroy the planet. When Nehelenia gets scared and asks Saturn why she'd do it and if it was worth it, Saturn replies, "I believe in our princess." When Nehelenia gets to blasting Saturn with her power and Saturn is blocking all of it with her Silent Wall, before she goes through with her word to release the power of Death, she says, "Princess, please save our future!" She refers to her princess again. I personally think this kind of corresponds to what she says to Sailor Moon in the Infinity Arc of the manga, in that shes putting her hope onto Sailor Moon to revive the world after she destroys it. What do you think? Anyway, she then goes on to use the Silence Glaive Surprise, but as shes swinging down the glaive Chibimoon throws herself onto Saturn before Saturn can finish bringing down the glaive, not after. The glaive was actually still being held in the air at a 60 degree angle, not close to ground at all, but even so, there was still a huge explosion easily engulfed the entire palace. So apparently, power (and a damn lot of it) is released from the glaive as soon as she begins to lower it, so even if she doesnt finish lowering the glaive to the ground there is still awesome power released from it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.159.111.135 ( talk • contribs)
Please be aware of the discussion at WP:SM about moving this article to the title Sailor Saturn. -- Masamage ♫ 18:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Can someone clear this up for me? Does Sailor Saturn's power destroy the world directly? Or (and note the difference here) is her power enough to destroy the world?
For example, I can say I have enough power to break a brick but that power can be used in other places. I can also say my power is to break a brick, which is only, applicable to...the brick.
So which is it? I think that in the manga her power destroys the world (end-of-sentence-period). Because Super Sailor Moon is there to revive it. And in the anime, she possesses enough power to destroy the world (its a sort of measurement of her power), that hits the enemy with an outrageously strong blow. (I guess like...I don't know...Self-Destruct in Pokemon.)
Can we make the difference (if there is any) show up in the article please?
Oh, and btw, does she die at the end of Infinity (S) in the manga? -- 70.107.173.207 18:25, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
Suggesting that Sailor Saturn has enough "power" to destroy a planet but cannot actually destroy a planet with it (and yes, I understand what you mean by this) is incorrect; Haruka and Michiru didn't spend half the season trying to kill Hotaru fearing that Sailor Saturn could use "a power strong enough to destroy the world" to attack a single opponent; Sailor Saturn isn't called the Soldier of Ruin and the Soldier of Destruction because she can only attack opponents with planet destroying power. That whole concept is just silly. In the anime, Sailor Saturn has power that can destroy a planet. It's as simple as that. Now, Pharoah 90 hadn't yet made it to Earth when Saturn used her power (Saturn went to Pharoah 90 before he arrived on Earth), so that is why the Earth wasn't destroyed when Sailor Saturn used her power. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.248.227.212 ( talk • contribs)
Reset indents.
Fixing a mistake... it was Sailor Saturn that was sealed in the time gate.. But Princess Serenity still was able to reverse the destruction in the manga (making her probably more powerful than her anime counterpart.)
Secondly, I would argue that it was not Sailor Saturn that destroyed Pharaoh 90. It was Sailor Moon, or do you not remember her going all out and crying her transformation phrase? (That's some wonderful voicing, BTW). Sailor Saturn, not once ever called out an attack, rather it sounded like physical slashing.
If you want to know *how* powerful Sailor Saturn is, this is the wrong place. Because we will not speculate. We will not say she must be all gads of powerful. The facts were listed for you. The most powerful attack she has is Death Reborn Revolution, which did not show up in the anime (And it's not right to speculate she has such an attack, because we do not know the words or extent of that power... just that she *may*have an equivalent), Silence Glaive Surprise is a lesser attack, she did physical attacks against Pharaoh 90, but did not defeat him (Sailor Moon did), and we don't know the extent of her power in the anime, because we won't surmise with you. That's it straight blank because the anime *did not* tell us how powerful she is. *However* I do think that in either canon that Sailor Moon is *apparently* stronger. Sailor Moon does things in the Eastern mind which constitutes power and being a Japanese show with a mainly Japanese audience in mind, I do think Sailor Moon, being the title character is most powerful. There is an entire arc devoted to establishing this (Stars) and also a series (Bishoujo Senshi Sailor Moon Sailor Stars.)--
Hitsuji Kinno
16:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
See the discussion here. Like I say there, I think we can do without the pictures of the musical actresses. The first one was put up at Sailor Uranus by some random person, and I ended up hunting down a few more (for the other Outers, ChibiChibi, Starlights, and Galaxia), but in the end I don't think they're really necessary. If the Hotaru picture goes, I say we get rid of the others as well. The only exception I can think of might be ChibiChibi, because the relative age of the actress playing her is interesting. -- Masamage ♫ 04:45, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
There is a picture in the manga where the glaive wasn't developed yet that's clearly meant to be of Sailor Saturn. Does this count as part of the "development" section?-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 05:14, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Sailor Saturn's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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help)I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 21:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
It says on the main page that Sailor Saturn did not live among the other Sailor Soldiers during the time of the Silver Millenium and that her coming had always been prevented by Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto. But then further down in the article it is mentioned that during the time of the Silver Millenium Princess Saturn wore a purple gown and lived in the Titan castle. This is a contradiction that needs to be fixed. JupiterThunder ( talk) 08:09, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
This article had a lot of POV. Like best, etc. Also it had a lot of OR which I cut out of the article, like, perhaps, maybe, and for Sailor Saturn this is maybe her most important... She's not a living character, so I cut that, I worked on organization and upgraded her development section. I also added places where citations are needed because a lot of this article isn't supported. As the references are now, it won't pass B class classification, so the next sweep after we stabilize this article's contents more should be for that citation sweep.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 17:22, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
There was a sentence in the article saying that in the anime, Hotaru's mother was only seen in the shadows. That is not correct. I took that out. She says her mother is dead, and if there is any objection, I will be glad to find the episode to back this up. I do not recall the exact episode in S where it is said, but I can easily find out. Just let me know. :) -- UsagiEriko ( talk) 00:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
Would you say she belongs in the category Category:Fictional cyborgs? Because she's explicitly referred to as one in the article at least twice. I think she fits. Maximajorian Viridio ( talk) 23:53, 22 December 2018 (UTC)vndfnbvjdsbvjkbsdjkflcxbvjldxcbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbnbdnbffhsgvjhadfghadfgcdjhfvmc b vbfvcdbvjhsdfhsdhb
vsfbvjvnnsfmv,bbbbbbbbbmemememm meÚ
An early version of the Tokyopop manga in the printed Smile magazine #6 used "Jenny" in one panel but used "Hotaru" for all others. This was changed for the graphic novel volumes to "Hotaru" for all occasions https://www.sailormoonforum.com/index.php?threads/revisiting-the-tokyopop-manga.32756/page-5 WhisperToMe ( talk) 19:22, 23 February 2021 (UTC)