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The description of the history of the Malan surname's origins are not relevant to this article. I will add a See also including a link to the Huguenot article (that now includes the note originally used here). -- Deon Steyn 12:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes clearly South Africans are still concerned with race. Anyway, Malan could just as easily be an English name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.76.72.199 ( talk) 14:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Corrected name of his brother from CWGG to Francis not George (keep "George" as nickname), he died 26 April 1943. Hugo999 ( talk) 10:33, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Regarding the battle of Barking Creek: John Freeborn had this to say about Malan: "...I was very sorry about it, but it was Sailor Malan’s fault. He gave us the order to attack and we attacked. I think I would have shot down more [Hurricanes] if it weren’t for Hawkins [another 74 Squadron pilot]. He got in the way and I was shouting at him to get out of the bloody way, to either shoot or let me shoot. But then he said, “It’s one of ours.” When the adrenaline is running, you don’t realize these things at the time. When we landed, George Sampson [the squadron commander] was waiting and Byrne and I were placed under close arrest. As for Malan, no one could find him. He’d gone off somewhere and dropped us right in the shit. But we were acquitted because we had two of the greatest barristers ever and they took Malan to pieces, said he was a downright liar."
source: http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/John-Freeborn-1919-2010.html
The statement that "The National Party ensured that the memory of the Springbok Legion, Torch Commando and of Sailor Malan was purged from history because there was a fear that young Afrikaners in particular might want to emulate Malan' is POV, unverifiable, and most certainly false. I have read a number of accounts of Sailor Malan in apartheid era South African military magazines. The Torch Commando was not ignored either, though it was represented (correctly) as a far left radical organization. 101.98.188.150 ( talk) 08:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
""established to oppose the police state, abuse of state power, censorship, racism, the removal of the Coloured vote and other oppressive manifestations of the creeping fascism of the National Party regime"" I doubt that he'd used the word "racism" at this time. But I stand correct if someone comes with a reliable source -- 197.228.40.197 ( talk) 19:38, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
According to the lead "Malan was known for sending German bomber pilots home with dead crews as a warning to other Luftwaffe crews." How did that work? Did he somehow seek to shoot the gunner/copilot/bomb aimer(s) of the planes he attacked but leave the pilot unharmed? I know he's described as a marksman, but really? Chuntuk ( talk) 15:57, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
"Squadron Leader 'Sailor' Malan - possibly the RAF's most gallant fighter pilot during the Battle of Britain - was famous for never looking for personal successes; he did not care much about how many planes he shot down. On the contrary, he argued that it was better to damage the German aircraft and let them return to base - 'with dead and injured crews as a warning to other Luftwaffe crews.'" - Bergström, Christer (2015). Battle of Britain: An Epic Conflict Revisited. Casemate. p. 49. ISBN 9781612003474.
The section on Rules of air fighting implies that Malan developed it from scratch. However, it is was actually a modification of existing doctrine, dating back to the Dicta Boelcke. Could the text be modified to reflect this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.232.227.7 ( talk) 08:09, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
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The description of the history of the Malan surname's origins are not relevant to this article. I will add a See also including a link to the Huguenot article (that now includes the note originally used here). -- Deon Steyn 12:04, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
Yes clearly South Africans are still concerned with race. Anyway, Malan could just as easily be an English name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.76.72.199 ( talk) 14:03, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
Corrected name of his brother from CWGG to Francis not George (keep "George" as nickname), he died 26 April 1943. Hugo999 ( talk) 10:33, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
Regarding the battle of Barking Creek: John Freeborn had this to say about Malan: "...I was very sorry about it, but it was Sailor Malan’s fault. He gave us the order to attack and we attacked. I think I would have shot down more [Hurricanes] if it weren’t for Hawkins [another 74 Squadron pilot]. He got in the way and I was shouting at him to get out of the bloody way, to either shoot or let me shoot. But then he said, “It’s one of ours.” When the adrenaline is running, you don’t realize these things at the time. When we landed, George Sampson [the squadron commander] was waiting and Byrne and I were placed under close arrest. As for Malan, no one could find him. He’d gone off somewhere and dropped us right in the shit. But we were acquitted because we had two of the greatest barristers ever and they took Malan to pieces, said he was a downright liar."
source: http://www.airspacemag.com/military-aviation/John-Freeborn-1919-2010.html
The statement that "The National Party ensured that the memory of the Springbok Legion, Torch Commando and of Sailor Malan was purged from history because there was a fear that young Afrikaners in particular might want to emulate Malan' is POV, unverifiable, and most certainly false. I have read a number of accounts of Sailor Malan in apartheid era South African military magazines. The Torch Commando was not ignored either, though it was represented (correctly) as a far left radical organization. 101.98.188.150 ( talk) 08:40, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
""established to oppose the police state, abuse of state power, censorship, racism, the removal of the Coloured vote and other oppressive manifestations of the creeping fascism of the National Party regime"" I doubt that he'd used the word "racism" at this time. But I stand correct if someone comes with a reliable source -- 197.228.40.197 ( talk) 19:38, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
According to the lead "Malan was known for sending German bomber pilots home with dead crews as a warning to other Luftwaffe crews." How did that work? Did he somehow seek to shoot the gunner/copilot/bomb aimer(s) of the planes he attacked but leave the pilot unharmed? I know he's described as a marksman, but really? Chuntuk ( talk) 15:57, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
"Squadron Leader 'Sailor' Malan - possibly the RAF's most gallant fighter pilot during the Battle of Britain - was famous for never looking for personal successes; he did not care much about how many planes he shot down. On the contrary, he argued that it was better to damage the German aircraft and let them return to base - 'with dead and injured crews as a warning to other Luftwaffe crews.'" - Bergström, Christer (2015). Battle of Britain: An Epic Conflict Revisited. Casemate. p. 49. ISBN 9781612003474.
The section on Rules of air fighting implies that Malan developed it from scratch. However, it is was actually a modification of existing doctrine, dating back to the Dicta Boelcke. Could the text be modified to reflect this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.232.227.7 ( talk) 08:09, 24 August 2017 (UTC)