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This article appears to have both a Cast section and a Characters section. Only one is necessary. Please see
MOS:TV#Cast for more info. The question is now, which list is the best format for this article—Cast or Characters?
Cyphoidbomb (
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05:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Cyphoidbomb and
Justice007, I included the characterization section for adding citations to reliable sources for verification. This is the actual reason. If any other ways are there to add citations to reliable sources in this page, please edit I will not interfere ever. Thanks.
Hcns (
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06:54, 5 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Hi
Justice007, I went through recent contributions and saw that you need citations under Plot summary section. Plot summary is extracted from the Official website of the TV show, so it doesn't need any citations. Thanks.
Hcns (
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18:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Still confused. We're talking about the series plot summary, not episode titles. Addressing Justice007's point
in this edit summary we don't need references for a plot synopsis. We are allowed to use the
primary source, the show itself, for that. I have removed the refimprove template.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
18:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Well, the rule says,
Plot-only description of fictional works "The coverage of a fictional work should not be a mere plot summary. A summary should facilitate substantial coverage of the work's real-world development, reception, and significance. This means that an article about a work of fiction or elements from such works should not solely be a summary of the primary and tertiary sources, they should also include real world context from reliable secondary sources. Coverage of fictional topics should provide balanced coverage that includes both plot summary and real-world context."
Justice007 (
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23:12, 11 June 2015 (UTC)reply
We're jumping around a bit here. Your original complaint was "Section plot summary needs citation to support that is not original research." This should be easily resolved with the explanation that the plot doesn't need to be referenced if it's just a general explanation of observable content. Nuances like tone, metaphors, themes, etc. should be sourced. The essay you've linked to, firstly isn't a rule, it's an explanation, but it's also not relevant here. The essay describes what a plot summary is, then says that an article shouldn't only be a plot summary. This article is notonly a plot summary; there is a lede, there is an infobox that summarizes notable people involved in the making of the series, there is a cast list, there is a referenced production section that may not get into the nuts and bolts of production, but is referenced and provides out-of-universe context. The relevant guideline for the plot summary here would be
WP:TVPLOT and I don't see that we're contravening that. Regards,
Cyphoidbomb (
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01:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I have no problems if you think the summary does not require sources. I just know all Wikipedia's articles including its sections required reliable sources, it is very common sense that anyone can add anything that is not true. Even sometimes lead section needs sources. As you mention This should be easily resolved with the explanation that the plot doesn't need to be referenced if it's just a general explanation of observable content. I do not see the content to observe that even support a general explanation. I assume good faith, you too, I leave this to other editors.
Hi, Wikipedia didn't copy from pranupinky7.wordpress.com/2015/12/25/sadda-haq/. There are various sites like this who copy from wikipedia mainly plot summary. Wiki Users wrote this summary long before. I am a frequent visitor and I don't think so. Thanks. For details please talk with
Cyphoidbomb. — Preceding
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115.249.138.69 (
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contribs)
115.249.138.69 - What makes you think I have any details? If you disagree with the flagging and removal of the content, you're free to perform some due diligence, check the article history, check the blog and piece together a narrative that demonstrates convincingly that Wikipedia didn't copy the blog. Not sure why you're dropping it in my lap.
Laberkiste, since you flagged the content
[1] do you have any additional info? Thanks.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
04:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)reply
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Television, a collaborative effort to develop and improve Wikipedia articles about
television programs. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page where you can
join the discussion.
To improve this article, please refer to the
style guidelines for the type of work.TelevisionWikipedia:WikiProject TelevisionTemplate:WikiProject Televisiontelevision articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject India, which aims to improve Wikipedia's coverage of
India-related topics. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page.IndiaWikipedia:WikiProject IndiaTemplate:WikiProject IndiaIndia articles
This article appears to have both a Cast section and a Characters section. Only one is necessary. Please see
MOS:TV#Cast for more info. The question is now, which list is the best format for this article—Cast or Characters?
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
05:49, 5 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Cyphoidbomb and
Justice007, I included the characterization section for adding citations to reliable sources for verification. This is the actual reason. If any other ways are there to add citations to reliable sources in this page, please edit I will not interfere ever. Thanks.
Hcns (
talk)
06:54, 5 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Hi
Justice007, I went through recent contributions and saw that you need citations under Plot summary section. Plot summary is extracted from the Official website of the TV show, so it doesn't need any citations. Thanks.
Hcns (
talk)
18:28, 10 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Still confused. We're talking about the series plot summary, not episode titles. Addressing Justice007's point
in this edit summary we don't need references for a plot synopsis. We are allowed to use the
primary source, the show itself, for that. I have removed the refimprove template.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
18:47, 10 June 2015 (UTC)reply
Well, the rule says,
Plot-only description of fictional works "The coverage of a fictional work should not be a mere plot summary. A summary should facilitate substantial coverage of the work's real-world development, reception, and significance. This means that an article about a work of fiction or elements from such works should not solely be a summary of the primary and tertiary sources, they should also include real world context from reliable secondary sources. Coverage of fictional topics should provide balanced coverage that includes both plot summary and real-world context."
Justice007 (
talk)
23:12, 11 June 2015 (UTC)reply
We're jumping around a bit here. Your original complaint was "Section plot summary needs citation to support that is not original research." This should be easily resolved with the explanation that the plot doesn't need to be referenced if it's just a general explanation of observable content. Nuances like tone, metaphors, themes, etc. should be sourced. The essay you've linked to, firstly isn't a rule, it's an explanation, but it's also not relevant here. The essay describes what a plot summary is, then says that an article shouldn't only be a plot summary. This article is notonly a plot summary; there is a lede, there is an infobox that summarizes notable people involved in the making of the series, there is a cast list, there is a referenced production section that may not get into the nuts and bolts of production, but is referenced and provides out-of-universe context. The relevant guideline for the plot summary here would be
WP:TVPLOT and I don't see that we're contravening that. Regards,
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
01:55, 12 June 2015 (UTC)reply
I have no problems if you think the summary does not require sources. I just know all Wikipedia's articles including its sections required reliable sources, it is very common sense that anyone can add anything that is not true. Even sometimes lead section needs sources. As you mention This should be easily resolved with the explanation that the plot doesn't need to be referenced if it's just a general explanation of observable content. I do not see the content to observe that even support a general explanation. I assume good faith, you too, I leave this to other editors.
Hi, Wikipedia didn't copy from pranupinky7.wordpress.com/2015/12/25/sadda-haq/. There are various sites like this who copy from wikipedia mainly plot summary. Wiki Users wrote this summary long before. I am a frequent visitor and I don't think so. Thanks. For details please talk with
Cyphoidbomb. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
115.249.138.69 (
talk •
contribs)
115.249.138.69 - What makes you think I have any details? If you disagree with the flagging and removal of the content, you're free to perform some due diligence, check the article history, check the blog and piece together a narrative that demonstrates convincingly that Wikipedia didn't copy the blog. Not sure why you're dropping it in my lap.
Laberkiste, since you flagged the content
[1] do you have any additional info? Thanks.
Cyphoidbomb (
talk)
04:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)reply