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== citation neededs in a poll on an internet message board Sad Wings tied for First Place as best JP album, there is your citation as for it being a fan favorite. 70.20.11.161 12:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The article states "The album was the only one by Judas Priest not to feature a title track up until 1980's British Steel (counting "Sinner" as the title track of 1977's Sin After Sin)."
So, why not count "Steeler" as the title track of British Steel then? That would make "Point of Entry" their first album without a title track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjm905 ( talk • contribs) 23:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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The article states that the original track listing on the LP is starting on side 1 with "Prelude" and so on.
Well I have the LP (copyright 1975) in my possession and can say that this is not the case. The track order is the same as on the CDs starting with "Victim of changes" on side 1. Only on the sleeve it starts with "Prelude" but not on the disc.
I found also a side which supports my notice: http://www.discogs.com/Judas-Priest-Sad-Wings-Of-Destiny/release/385227
Can anyone confirm this or are there different versions of the original LP out? If not the article should be modified accordingly. 78.48.130.7 ( talk) 20:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the LP sleeve suggests that side one begins with Prelude, but the label itself gives Victim of Changes as the opening track: http://www.collectable-records.ru/groups/judas%20priest/sad.htm
It could be that the band intended the track sequence to match the sleeve and a mistake happened with the labelling, but as a librarian and a cataloguer I'd have to select the record's label as the "chief source of information". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.66.238.27 ( talk) 08:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Looking around at images of different pressings on the web, the "Victim of Changes" side is sometimes labelled "Side 1" and sometimes "Side A"—this blows my mind. The sequencing works so much better opening with "Prelude" and closing with "Deceiver". It has to be a mistake that nobody's bothered to fix after all these years. Curly Turkey ⚞ ¡gobble!⚟ 06:41, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Gull Records reissued this album in 2012 with correct tracklist on CD (Gull 88697967872-JK2).
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4836371
Here. Fuck copyright extremists.)
Try looking for "The Complete Album Collection" where ALL (even Gull albums) are. "Sad Wings Wings Of Destiny" with correct tracklist among them.
Scanned Booklet from The Complete Albums box
This is not reliable source. Turn the logic on and think why one track is called "Prelude"... 'Cause it would be the first one and this happened at last in the only Judas Priest-endorsed re-release of the album.
Does anyone have a Reliable Source on what equipment was used on this album? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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Interesting article, I'll take this on. Seems you've been waiting a while - I'll post my comments here over the next couple of days. Thanks :)
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Co-founder Al Atkins named the band, wanting one similar to Black Sabbath's.This doesn't quite read correctly to me. How about something along the lines of "Co-founder Al Atkins chose the band's name, wanting a similar sounding name to Black Sabbath...."?
on The Old Grey Whistle Test on BBC Two the year before the songs appeared on Sad Wings of Destiny→ "on BBC Two's The Old Grey Whistle Test in 1975"?
Recording was done→ "Recording took place"? — sparklism hey! 07:11, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
hey! 07:20, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Black Sabbath-heavy riffing, melodic ballad, and extended leads. The 'Sabbath-heavy' bit doesn't quite scan right, and we're back to 'extended leads' again. Are these extended lead guitar solos? — sparklism hey! 07:24, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
heavy metal-averse Rolling Stone- Really? Does the cited source state that Rolling Stone is 'averse' to heavy metal? Might be just better to say that RS gave a positive review.
As I said above, this is a really interesting article. This is just my first read through, and there's obviously still a bit of work to be done, but nothing major that I can see right now. I'll add further commentary above as I get to study it in more detail, but I'm sure it won't be long before this is at GA. Good work! — sparklism hey! 20:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Guys. GUYS. Glenn wrote the song, not Rob, so why is Rob telling Popoff what the lyrics are about? At best, he's speculating. Should we remove that? Andreas George Skinner ( talk) 18:52, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
In this article, we learn that Sad Wings of Destiny is not only Black Sabbath-like, but also Sabbath-inspired with an influence of Black Sabbath, and (you'd better sit down for this) Black Sabbath-heavy and reminiscent of Sabbath! And Queen. But mostly Black Sabbath.
Is it really necessary to mention Black Sabbath *eight* different times throughout an article on another band's album? Don't get me wrong - I love Sabbath, and there's no denying their huge influence on Priest. But repeating the same comparison so many times is really grating, and comes off as unimaginative and amateurish writing. Even worse, it gives the impression that the sound of this album is completely derivative... which it isn't. If we were talking about Witchfinder General, you'd have a case, but JP were never clones. Not even on Rocka Rolla where they had Sabbath's producer.
One mention should be enough - maybe two, at most. Protip: if you really feel that the comparison helps describe specific parts or pieces, then be descriptive: instead of name-dropping, mention the qualities that evoked the comparison in the first place ('ominous', 'dark', 'brooding', 'ponderous', whatever... have at it).
79.178.70.22 ( talk) 00:27, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Over the next several years Judas Priest became a prominent example of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal.
This is not generally accepted. Although a source is given that confirms this statement, one is perfectly able to come up with plenty of examples that claim the complete opposite (I can do so if necessary). If no-one vetoes this I would just delete the sentence and leave the musical classification to the Judas Priest-article. S. Hauke ( talk) 16:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
According to this, the Complete Albums box set marked the first time the band authorized the release of Sad Wings on CD, and the track listing there is indeed the correct one because the sides really were mistakenly reversed when the album was first released. The first part appears to be true, and that certainly does lend a lot of weight to the idea that that track listing is the correct one after all. I can't find an RS for it, though, so the best thing to do would be, if possible, to contact someone close to the band (or Sony) and see if we can get confirmation that that is indeed the case. I looked around on the band's website, but I couldn't find a way to get in touch with anyone close to them, and the same is true for Sony, who'd probably be much less willing to help us out anyway. Does anyone know how to get in touch with someone close to the band? Esszet ( talk) 20:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
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@ Sparklism: I recently deleted the content found in the "Songs" subsection of the article, and I was reverted. This material, which appears to be personal analysis from some guy's book, is not at all needed in the article, and should not be said in Wiki-voice as fact. It is certainly the first article I have come across that features an in-depth analysis of each song's content and style in addition to a track list. Essentially, this "Songs" sub-section is providing the helpful function of listing the songs on the album with a bunch of flowery language thrown in. I don't need to know if a particular song is a chugging, riff-heavy rocker or A forward-looking, riff-heavy rocker or A quiet track with piano backing and Queen-like layered vocals or a heavy rocker with a complex riff. As I stated in my original comment, this is not Pitchfork. This is not the space for "music journalism" or song analysis. It should be removed, and whoever is responsible for it should start their own music blog. KidAd ( talk) 06:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
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== citation neededs in a poll on an internet message board Sad Wings tied for First Place as best JP album, there is your citation as for it being a fan favorite. 70.20.11.161 12:06, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
The article states "The album was the only one by Judas Priest not to feature a title track up until 1980's British Steel (counting "Sinner" as the title track of 1977's Sin After Sin)."
So, why not count "Steeler" as the title track of British Steel then? That would make "Point of Entry" their first album without a title track. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjm905 ( talk • contribs) 23:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)
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The article states that the original track listing on the LP is starting on side 1 with "Prelude" and so on.
Well I have the LP (copyright 1975) in my possession and can say that this is not the case. The track order is the same as on the CDs starting with "Victim of changes" on side 1. Only on the sleeve it starts with "Prelude" but not on the disc.
I found also a side which supports my notice: http://www.discogs.com/Judas-Priest-Sad-Wings-Of-Destiny/release/385227
Can anyone confirm this or are there different versions of the original LP out? If not the article should be modified accordingly. 78.48.130.7 ( talk) 20:33, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, the LP sleeve suggests that side one begins with Prelude, but the label itself gives Victim of Changes as the opening track: http://www.collectable-records.ru/groups/judas%20priest/sad.htm
It could be that the band intended the track sequence to match the sleeve and a mistake happened with the labelling, but as a librarian and a cataloguer I'd have to select the record's label as the "chief source of information". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.66.238.27 ( talk) 08:51, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
Looking around at images of different pressings on the web, the "Victim of Changes" side is sometimes labelled "Side 1" and sometimes "Side A"—this blows my mind. The sequencing works so much better opening with "Prelude" and closing with "Deceiver". It has to be a mistake that nobody's bothered to fix after all these years. Curly Turkey ⚞ ¡gobble!⚟ 06:41, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
Gull Records reissued this album in 2012 with correct tracklist on CD (Gull 88697967872-JK2).
http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4836371
Here. Fuck copyright extremists.)
Try looking for "The Complete Album Collection" where ALL (even Gull albums) are. "Sad Wings Wings Of Destiny" with correct tracklist among them.
Scanned Booklet from The Complete Albums box
This is not reliable source. Turn the logic on and think why one track is called "Prelude"... 'Cause it would be the first one and this happened at last in the only Judas Priest-endorsed re-release of the album.
Does anyone have a Reliable Source on what equipment was used on this album? Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 06:14, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
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Interesting article, I'll take this on. Seems you've been waiting a while - I'll post my comments here over the next couple of days. Thanks :)
— sparklism
hey!
07:24, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Co-founder Al Atkins named the band, wanting one similar to Black Sabbath's.This doesn't quite read correctly to me. How about something along the lines of "Co-founder Al Atkins chose the band's name, wanting a similar sounding name to Black Sabbath...."?
on The Old Grey Whistle Test on BBC Two the year before the songs appeared on Sad Wings of Destiny→ "on BBC Two's The Old Grey Whistle Test in 1975"?
Recording was done→ "Recording took place"? — sparklism hey! 07:11, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
hey! 07:20, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
Black Sabbath-heavy riffing, melodic ballad, and extended leads. The 'Sabbath-heavy' bit doesn't quite scan right, and we're back to 'extended leads' again. Are these extended lead guitar solos? — sparklism hey! 07:24, 14 April 2015 (UTC)
heavy metal-averse Rolling Stone- Really? Does the cited source state that Rolling Stone is 'averse' to heavy metal? Might be just better to say that RS gave a positive review.
As I said above, this is a really interesting article. This is just my first read through, and there's obviously still a bit of work to be done, but nothing major that I can see right now. I'll add further commentary above as I get to study it in more detail, but I'm sure it won't be long before this is at GA. Good work! — sparklism hey! 20:06, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Guys. GUYS. Glenn wrote the song, not Rob, so why is Rob telling Popoff what the lyrics are about? At best, he's speculating. Should we remove that? Andreas George Skinner ( talk) 18:52, 24 April 2015 (UTC)
In this article, we learn that Sad Wings of Destiny is not only Black Sabbath-like, but also Sabbath-inspired with an influence of Black Sabbath, and (you'd better sit down for this) Black Sabbath-heavy and reminiscent of Sabbath! And Queen. But mostly Black Sabbath.
Is it really necessary to mention Black Sabbath *eight* different times throughout an article on another band's album? Don't get me wrong - I love Sabbath, and there's no denying their huge influence on Priest. But repeating the same comparison so many times is really grating, and comes off as unimaginative and amateurish writing. Even worse, it gives the impression that the sound of this album is completely derivative... which it isn't. If we were talking about Witchfinder General, you'd have a case, but JP were never clones. Not even on Rocka Rolla where they had Sabbath's producer.
One mention should be enough - maybe two, at most. Protip: if you really feel that the comparison helps describe specific parts or pieces, then be descriptive: instead of name-dropping, mention the qualities that evoked the comparison in the first place ('ominous', 'dark', 'brooding', 'ponderous', whatever... have at it).
79.178.70.22 ( talk) 00:27, 28 May 2015 (UTC)
Over the next several years Judas Priest became a prominent example of the New Wave of British Heavy Metal.
This is not generally accepted. Although a source is given that confirms this statement, one is perfectly able to come up with plenty of examples that claim the complete opposite (I can do so if necessary). If no-one vetoes this I would just delete the sentence and leave the musical classification to the Judas Priest-article. S. Hauke ( talk) 16:05, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
According to this, the Complete Albums box set marked the first time the band authorized the release of Sad Wings on CD, and the track listing there is indeed the correct one because the sides really were mistakenly reversed when the album was first released. The first part appears to be true, and that certainly does lend a lot of weight to the idea that that track listing is the correct one after all. I can't find an RS for it, though, so the best thing to do would be, if possible, to contact someone close to the band (or Sony) and see if we can get confirmation that that is indeed the case. I looked around on the band's website, but I couldn't find a way to get in touch with anyone close to them, and the same is true for Sony, who'd probably be much less willing to help us out anyway. Does anyone know how to get in touch with someone close to the band? Esszet ( talk) 20:12, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
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@ Sparklism: I recently deleted the content found in the "Songs" subsection of the article, and I was reverted. This material, which appears to be personal analysis from some guy's book, is not at all needed in the article, and should not be said in Wiki-voice as fact. It is certainly the first article I have come across that features an in-depth analysis of each song's content and style in addition to a track list. Essentially, this "Songs" sub-section is providing the helpful function of listing the songs on the album with a bunch of flowery language thrown in. I don't need to know if a particular song is a chugging, riff-heavy rocker or A forward-looking, riff-heavy rocker or A quiet track with piano backing and Queen-like layered vocals or a heavy rocker with a complex riff. As I stated in my original comment, this is not Pitchfork. This is not the space for "music journalism" or song analysis. It should be removed, and whoever is responsible for it should start their own music blog. KidAd ( talk) 06:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)