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Earlier versions of this article were apparently based on a translation of the German Wikipedia article (citation required by copyleft?). - Boson 18:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
The Sachsenspiegel is my speciality, I have studied the document for over 10 years now. I am currently editing part of my thesis on the document so that it is suitable for a completely new article on this; there is a lot of rubbish in this article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlosPauloEthetheth ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 2 October 2006
I know that English uses the rather confusing term Low German for a language which is more related to non-Normandized dialects of English than to the German language, but a reference which claims that Eike used from those soundshifts might be appropiate. Erik Warmelink ( talk) 23:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't imply it is a form of High German. It's a form of German, which has many dialects of which some are,in relatively modern times, classified as languages. Low German is a perfectly fine term to use. That OP is implying that low german is closer to english than to German already shows us that he/she doesn't have any understanding of the language or the text of the Sachsenspiegel itself. It's just your typical anti german troll really. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.17.140.107 ( talk) 08:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
The article asserts that the Sachsenspiegel was divided into " common law" ( Landrecht) and " feudal law" ( Lehnrecht). However, my understanding is that common law is case law i.e. it is based on precedence, not statute. I also understood that, by contrast, Landrecht was based on a mix of custom, privileges and acts passed by reigning princes. Arnold (1991) describes it as "the customary law of the region". Is there an English term that better captures the sense of Landrecht than "common law"? -- Bermicourt ( talk) 16:35, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if we need at least a footnote, or even a paragraph, explaining the name.
We have previously had two different translations. Originally it was "Saxon mirror". It was later changed to "Saxon overview". Later still, it was changed back to "Saxon mirror". Now it has been again changed to "Saxon overview".
I would normally agree that "Spiegel" as used here has more the meaning of "overview" or "vademecum". I would almost go so far as to say that "Spiegel" is a homonym with two separate meanings and "mirror" is the wrong translation in this instance. However, the author does explicitly use the metaphor of a mirror when he explains the name:
"Spegel der Sassen
Scal di buk sin genant,
went Sassen recht is hir an bekant,
Als an eneme spegele de frouwen
er antlite scowen"
["Mirror of the Saxons" this book shall be called,for Saxon law is seen in it, just as women look at their face in a mirror.]
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Boson (
talk) 13:06, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
There is some severe anachronism problem in this article. One thing was a link to the Holy Roman Empire that simply read "German Niddle Ages". The term "German" and "Germany" were used at least a dozen times in the lead with "Saxon" being used not once apart from the translation of the article title. Another bizarre claim is it "being the first lengthy legal document to have been written in a continental Germanic language, instead of Latin." Sorry? The Low Franconian Salic Law? Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) ( talk) 19:50, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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Earlier versions of this article were apparently based on a translation of the German Wikipedia article (citation required by copyleft?). - Boson 18:15, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
The Sachsenspiegel is my speciality, I have studied the document for over 10 years now. I am currently editing part of my thesis on the document so that it is suitable for a completely new article on this; there is a lot of rubbish in this article.—Preceding unsigned comment added by CarlosPauloEthetheth ( talk • contribs) 15:11, 2 October 2006
I know that English uses the rather confusing term Low German for a language which is more related to non-Normandized dialects of English than to the German language, but a reference which claims that Eike used from those soundshifts might be appropiate. Erik Warmelink ( talk) 23:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
It doesn't imply it is a form of High German. It's a form of German, which has many dialects of which some are,in relatively modern times, classified as languages. Low German is a perfectly fine term to use. That OP is implying that low german is closer to english than to German already shows us that he/she doesn't have any understanding of the language or the text of the Sachsenspiegel itself. It's just your typical anti german troll really. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.17.140.107 ( talk) 08:04, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
The article asserts that the Sachsenspiegel was divided into " common law" ( Landrecht) and " feudal law" ( Lehnrecht). However, my understanding is that common law is case law i.e. it is based on precedence, not statute. I also understood that, by contrast, Landrecht was based on a mix of custom, privileges and acts passed by reigning princes. Arnold (1991) describes it as "the customary law of the region". Is there an English term that better captures the sense of Landrecht than "common law"? -- Bermicourt ( talk) 16:35, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if we need at least a footnote, or even a paragraph, explaining the name.
We have previously had two different translations. Originally it was "Saxon mirror". It was later changed to "Saxon overview". Later still, it was changed back to "Saxon mirror". Now it has been again changed to "Saxon overview".
I would normally agree that "Spiegel" as used here has more the meaning of "overview" or "vademecum". I would almost go so far as to say that "Spiegel" is a homonym with two separate meanings and "mirror" is the wrong translation in this instance. However, the author does explicitly use the metaphor of a mirror when he explains the name:
"Spegel der Sassen
Scal di buk sin genant,
went Sassen recht is hir an bekant,
Als an eneme spegele de frouwen
er antlite scowen"
["Mirror of the Saxons" this book shall be called,for Saxon law is seen in it, just as women look at their face in a mirror.]
--
Boson (
talk) 13:06, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
There is some severe anachronism problem in this article. One thing was a link to the Holy Roman Empire that simply read "German Niddle Ages". The term "German" and "Germany" were used at least a dozen times in the lead with "Saxon" being used not once apart from the translation of the article title. Another bizarre claim is it "being the first lengthy legal document to have been written in a continental Germanic language, instead of Latin." Sorry? The Low Franconian Salic Law? Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde) ( talk) 19:50, 4 June 2016 (UTC)
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