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Most reference books have his full name as "Sabu Dastigir", but research by journalist Philip Liebfried suggests that was his brother's name, and that Sabu was in fact Selar Shaik Sabu. SteveCrook 16:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Sabu Dastagir → Sabu – Name that the person was credited as, a la Sting, and Cher ....( Complain)( Let us to it pell-mell) 05:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
No move. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 16:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I have a question about Sabu's Military Service? I assume he served in the Army Air Corps, not the Air Force. Can anyone verify this?~~Dan Wright~~
There was no US air force at the time. 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 22:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Please add: (verify by list of actors who served in WWII-found through common search! Sabu served in the Army Air Corps. He served on bombers as a tail gunner or top gunner. He flew 42 on missions. (He was wounded, damaging his heart which later killed him at an early age.) Highly decorated for bravery: received the Distinguished Flying cross, The Five air Medal and Presidential Unit Citation, for Exemplary Service. CITED ON A PAGE: "ACTORS WHO SERVED IN WWI and WWII!" Also check biography. I believe his widow is still living.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.168.142 ( talk) 21:42, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Athough I believe it's true that the book cited does claim this, I see no reason why Sabu should claim Pakistan as his mother country. He didn't come from the region that became Pakistan and he wasn't Moslem. Are any more explanations or details given in the book? -- SteveCrook 22:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
He was a muslim. There's no doubt about that. It was only when he was in the army did he convert to the Baptist faith. And I agree, it is highly dubious that he claimed Pakistani as his nationality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.131.199 ( talk) 20:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Umm...first of all, there's the little matter of names: Salar, Shaikh and Dastagir are Muslim names; the first two derived from Arabic words, and the last Persian. --iFaqeer ( talk) 10:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
PS: Isn't it rather odd that everybody "refuting" this point passionately chooses to write anonymously? Isn't there a Wikipedia policy that anonymous comments are to be given less weight? --iFaqeer ( talk) 10:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Please visit the web site www.singleparentsfoundation.org for an invitation to this fabulous event. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.180.157 ( talk) 17:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
The box on the right of the Sabu article has a link to Marilyn Cooper as Sabu's wife. The article, however, appears to be about another Marilyn Cooper, with a different date of birth and no reference to a marriage. The link also is found in the article on Sabu's son Paul Sabu. Karlpov ( talk) 16:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
According to Dror Izhar, page 12 of Quit India: The Image of the Indian Patriot on Commercial British Film and Television, 1956-1985, Sabu Dastagir was Muslim. "Said Jaffrey, born in 1929, and Sabu Dastagir (1925–1963), both Muslim Indians who apparently never met, had very different destinies. Dastagir was employed as a groom in the court of a Prince in an “independent” princedom. When he was twelve, Dastagir was discovered by the American documentary filmmaker Robert Flaherty, who directed a feature film in 1936 entitled Elephant Boy with Zoltan Korda. Korda and his brother Alexander, a Jewish-Austro-Hungarian-British film producer and director in his own right, turned Sabu into a star. As a child, he was exploited by them and gained recognition and fame in exotic films such as The Drum (1938) and thus, in my view, Dastagir was a victim of the British occupation of India. When he reached adulthood, he fought in World War II and won a medal of honor as a pilot. He then moved to Hollywood, where he starred in several insignificant films, and finally died of a heart attack at the age of thirty-eight."-- 182.177.8.98 ( talk) 22:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. There are good arguments made on both sides, but ultimately not much agreement between discussants, or enough evidence presented one way or the other, as to whether the full name meets the commonness bar to be considered naturaldis. As such the page remains where it is. (And yes, it was moved without discussion, but that was in 2005 so the long-term stable title is certainly the current one). — Amakuru ( talk) 22:07, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Sabu Dastagir →
Sabu (actor) – per
WP:COMMONNAME. This article was created on June 19, 2005 as
Sabu (actor) and moved without discussion to
Sabu Dastagir on October 2, 2005. An unsuccessful "Requested move", above, proposed on June 26, 2006 that
Sabu become the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the
Sabu (disambiguation) page. More than twelve years later,
Sabu Dastagir, who was never known to the public by such a name, should be restored to
Sabu (actor).
Roman Spinner
(talk •
contribs) 20:33, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Note: Announcement of this discussion appears at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film.
Roman Spinner
(talk •
contribs) 15:34, 28 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.
bd2412
T 20:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.
Brad
v 05:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Sabu (actor) per nom. No such user ( talk) 13:13, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Sabu Dastagir → Sabu (actor) – per WP:COMMONNAME. This article was created on June 19, 2005 as Sabu (actor) and moved without discussion to Sabu Dastagir on October 2, 2005. Wikipedia's main title headers for actors are their stage names, which in this case was "Sabu" ( Sabu star on Hollywood Walk of Fame). The sources that refer to him as "Sabu Dastagir" are either non-film sources or recent sources which retroactively discovered the name "Dastagir" and mistakenly assume it to have been his common name. Two full-length book biographies ( [3] [4]) name him as "Sabu", not as "Sabu Dastagir". Not a single film encyclopedia or film research tool lists him under "D" for "Dastagir" — he is always alphabetized under "S" for the mononym "Sabu". Not an argument for WP:NATURALDIS, otherwise Prince (musician) would be under Prince Rogers Nelson. Here is his listing at IMDb, American Film Institute Catalog, British Film Institute, Turner Classic Movies, AllMovie, TVGuide, NNDb and Virtual History (which lists four additional encyclopedic film books, all of which indicate him as "Sabu"). — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
This I surmise that this derives entirely from"*Sabu’s real name has been unclear. The commonly cited Sabu Dastagir is now thought to be a mistake on his immigration papers. More recent works credit him as Selar Shaik Sabu. "
"11 year old Selar Shaik Sabu (Sabu's true name. The name "Dastagir", found in so many reference works, is actually his brother's first name. This error was made when the family passed through Customs in England.) was serving the Maharajah of Mysore as a mahout (elephant driver), just as his father had done before him."
American artist John Prine has a well known song tribute to Sabu titled "Sabu Visits the Twin Cities Alone". This live version includes an introduction by Prine in which he describes the live and career of Sabu https://open.spotify.com/track/3BHZLrALymxoFezdgec4Q8?si=2b2a2d45e6c24ff6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackbiernat ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
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Most reference books have his full name as "Sabu Dastigir", but research by journalist Philip Liebfried suggests that was his brother's name, and that Sabu was in fact Selar Shaik Sabu. SteveCrook 16:22, 13 December 2005 (UTC)
Sabu Dastagir → Sabu – Name that the person was credited as, a la Sting, and Cher ....( Complain)( Let us to it pell-mell) 05:29, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
No move. -- Kim van der Linde at venus 16:09, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
I have a question about Sabu's Military Service? I assume he served in the Army Air Corps, not the Air Force. Can anyone verify this?~~Dan Wright~~
There was no US air force at the time. 203.184.41.226 ( talk) 22:49, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
Please add: (verify by list of actors who served in WWII-found through common search! Sabu served in the Army Air Corps. He served on bombers as a tail gunner or top gunner. He flew 42 on missions. (He was wounded, damaging his heart which later killed him at an early age.) Highly decorated for bravery: received the Distinguished Flying cross, The Five air Medal and Presidential Unit Citation, for Exemplary Service. CITED ON A PAGE: "ACTORS WHO SERVED IN WWI and WWII!" Also check biography. I believe his widow is still living.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.103.168.142 ( talk) 21:42, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
Athough I believe it's true that the book cited does claim this, I see no reason why Sabu should claim Pakistan as his mother country. He didn't come from the region that became Pakistan and he wasn't Moslem. Are any more explanations or details given in the book? -- SteveCrook 22:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
He was a muslim. There's no doubt about that. It was only when he was in the army did he convert to the Baptist faith. And I agree, it is highly dubious that he claimed Pakistani as his nationality. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.131.199 ( talk) 20:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
Umm...first of all, there's the little matter of names: Salar, Shaikh and Dastagir are Muslim names; the first two derived from Arabic words, and the last Persian. --iFaqeer ( talk) 10:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
PS: Isn't it rather odd that everybody "refuting" this point passionately chooses to write anonymously? Isn't there a Wikipedia policy that anonymous comments are to be given less weight? --iFaqeer ( talk) 10:59, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
Please visit the web site www.singleparentsfoundation.org for an invitation to this fabulous event. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.180.157 ( talk) 17:51, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
The box on the right of the Sabu article has a link to Marilyn Cooper as Sabu's wife. The article, however, appears to be about another Marilyn Cooper, with a different date of birth and no reference to a marriage. The link also is found in the article on Sabu's son Paul Sabu. Karlpov ( talk) 16:43, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
According to Dror Izhar, page 12 of Quit India: The Image of the Indian Patriot on Commercial British Film and Television, 1956-1985, Sabu Dastagir was Muslim. "Said Jaffrey, born in 1929, and Sabu Dastagir (1925–1963), both Muslim Indians who apparently never met, had very different destinies. Dastagir was employed as a groom in the court of a Prince in an “independent” princedom. When he was twelve, Dastagir was discovered by the American documentary filmmaker Robert Flaherty, who directed a feature film in 1936 entitled Elephant Boy with Zoltan Korda. Korda and his brother Alexander, a Jewish-Austro-Hungarian-British film producer and director in his own right, turned Sabu into a star. As a child, he was exploited by them and gained recognition and fame in exotic films such as The Drum (1938) and thus, in my view, Dastagir was a victim of the British occupation of India. When he reached adulthood, he fought in World War II and won a medal of honor as a pilot. He then moved to Hollywood, where he starred in several insignificant films, and finally died of a heart attack at the age of thirty-eight."-- 182.177.8.98 ( talk) 22:14, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. There are good arguments made on both sides, but ultimately not much agreement between discussants, or enough evidence presented one way or the other, as to whether the full name meets the commonness bar to be considered naturaldis. As such the page remains where it is. (And yes, it was moved without discussion, but that was in 2005 so the long-term stable title is certainly the current one). — Amakuru ( talk) 22:07, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Sabu Dastagir →
Sabu (actor) – per
WP:COMMONNAME. This article was created on June 19, 2005 as
Sabu (actor) and moved without discussion to
Sabu Dastagir on October 2, 2005. An unsuccessful "Requested move", above, proposed on June 26, 2006 that
Sabu become the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of the
Sabu (disambiguation) page. More than twelve years later,
Sabu Dastagir, who was never known to the public by such a name, should be restored to
Sabu (actor).
Roman Spinner
(talk •
contribs) 20:33, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Note: Announcement of this discussion appears at
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film.
Roman Spinner
(talk •
contribs) 15:34, 28 August 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.
bd2412
T 20:34, 4 September 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.
Brad
v 05:16, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved to Sabu (actor) per nom. No such user ( talk) 13:13, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Sabu Dastagir → Sabu (actor) – per WP:COMMONNAME. This article was created on June 19, 2005 as Sabu (actor) and moved without discussion to Sabu Dastagir on October 2, 2005. Wikipedia's main title headers for actors are their stage names, which in this case was "Sabu" ( Sabu star on Hollywood Walk of Fame). The sources that refer to him as "Sabu Dastagir" are either non-film sources or recent sources which retroactively discovered the name "Dastagir" and mistakenly assume it to have been his common name. Two full-length book biographies ( [3] [4]) name him as "Sabu", not as "Sabu Dastagir". Not a single film encyclopedia or film research tool lists him under "D" for "Dastagir" — he is always alphabetized under "S" for the mononym "Sabu". Not an argument for WP:NATURALDIS, otherwise Prince (musician) would be under Prince Rogers Nelson. Here is his listing at IMDb, American Film Institute Catalog, British Film Institute, Turner Classic Movies, AllMovie, TVGuide, NNDb and Virtual History (which lists four additional encyclopedic film books, all of which indicate him as "Sabu"). — Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 05:11, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
This I surmise that this derives entirely from"*Sabu’s real name has been unclear. The commonly cited Sabu Dastagir is now thought to be a mistake on his immigration papers. More recent works credit him as Selar Shaik Sabu. "
"11 year old Selar Shaik Sabu (Sabu's true name. The name "Dastagir", found in so many reference works, is actually his brother's first name. This error was made when the family passed through Customs in England.) was serving the Maharajah of Mysore as a mahout (elephant driver), just as his father had done before him."
American artist John Prine has a well known song tribute to Sabu titled "Sabu Visits the Twin Cities Alone". This live version includes an introduction by Prine in which he describes the live and career of Sabu https://open.spotify.com/track/3BHZLrALymxoFezdgec4Q8?si=2b2a2d45e6c24ff6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zackbiernat ( talk • contribs) 17:12, 8 April 2022 (UTC)