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Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri ( talk · contribs) 16:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I'll be reviewing this soon. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 16:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Found only a few missing commas and a few awkward phrases, but they are sufficiently minor.
" On 31 July 1942, the cruiser was attacked by the British submarine HMS Traveller south of Premantura but all of the torpedoes missed." - Doesn't say how many torpedoes were launched against the Niobe, if a number is known, please include it.
Since the Niobi switched nations, is there any information on the Yugoslavian or Italian crews which ran them for WWII? Its not required, but it would be nice to know to what fleet they were assigned or the orders.
Other then that, I will pass this. On hold to address the tiny issue more out of procedure rather then anything else. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 02:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Just a question, why is this ship referred-to by its least-common and least-held name? Instead of Yugoslav cruiser Dalmacija? -- Director ( talk) 06:11, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Conways p. 357 says that she was captured by the Germans and renamed Niobe on 11 September 1943, was soon turned over to Croatia as Zniam, was stranded on 19 December and torpedoed by British MTBs two days later, and on p. 359 it says that Cattaro was handed over to the Croats and renamed Zniam. Lenton p. 380 states that it served successively in the Italian and Croatian navies before returning to German service. It appears that she may have been in Croatian hands when stranded and torpedoed. Anyone got other sources on this aspect? Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:34, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Could someone clarify which reference this is? Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 05:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I feel rather improbable that the germans changed the guns; I feel more probable that they renamed them according to a convention different from the jugoslavian one. For instance, the WW I ex-german WW II italian cruisers Bari and Taranto had their guns rated as 149/43 in Italy and 150/45 in germany. 30 guns of 20 mm seem a lot of weapons for a vessel of this size; please check if the source wrote 26 or 2-6 for two-to-six pietro 151.29.143.193 ( talk) 17:03, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
-- Mìchean ( talk) 20:00, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
What exactly are these "8.4cm guns" supposed to be? I cannot find such gun that would have been in German service (captured or not) as an anti-aircraft gun. This is clearly a case of the 83.5mm Skoda guns (which was indeed used by Germany from captured stores - also used by the Yugoslav Navy) /info/en/?search=8.35_cm_PL_kanon_vz._22 being referred to aas this "8.4cm guN" - see the case of captured Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik (Italian article refers to "84mm gun", while English language article refers to them correctly as 83.5mm https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premuda_(cacciatorpediniere) /info/en/?search=Yugoslav_destroyer_Dubrovnik There is no such "84mm gun" as a separate gun. 82.181.143.171 ( talk) 12:39, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
This is why we compare and contrast reliable sources. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:44, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
in late 1943 the german navy operated two vessels with the name Niobe: this and the former dutch cruiser Gelderland (see the wiki page). pietro 151.29.177.129 ( talk) 22:51, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
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Reviewer: ChrisGualtieri ( talk · contribs) 16:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
I'll be reviewing this soon. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 16:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
Found only a few missing commas and a few awkward phrases, but they are sufficiently minor.
" On 31 July 1942, the cruiser was attacked by the British submarine HMS Traveller south of Premantura but all of the torpedoes missed." - Doesn't say how many torpedoes were launched against the Niobe, if a number is known, please include it.
Since the Niobi switched nations, is there any information on the Yugoslavian or Italian crews which ran them for WWII? Its not required, but it would be nice to know to what fleet they were assigned or the orders.
Other then that, I will pass this. On hold to address the tiny issue more out of procedure rather then anything else. ChrisGualtieri ( talk) 02:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Just a question, why is this ship referred-to by its least-common and least-held name? Instead of Yugoslav cruiser Dalmacija? -- Director ( talk) 06:11, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
Conways p. 357 says that she was captured by the Germans and renamed Niobe on 11 September 1943, was soon turned over to Croatia as Zniam, was stranded on 19 December and torpedoed by British MTBs two days later, and on p. 359 it says that Cattaro was handed over to the Croats and renamed Zniam. Lenton p. 380 states that it served successively in the Italian and Croatian navies before returning to German service. It appears that she may have been in Croatian hands when stranded and torpedoed. Anyone got other sources on this aspect? Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:34, 12 March 2016 (UTC)
Could someone clarify which reference this is? Cheers, Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 05:55, 22 July 2016 (UTC)
I feel rather improbable that the germans changed the guns; I feel more probable that they renamed them according to a convention different from the jugoslavian one. For instance, the WW I ex-german WW II italian cruisers Bari and Taranto had their guns rated as 149/43 in Italy and 150/45 in germany. 30 guns of 20 mm seem a lot of weapons for a vessel of this size; please check if the source wrote 26 or 2-6 for two-to-six pietro 151.29.143.193 ( talk) 17:03, 8 February 2017 (UTC)
-- Mìchean ( talk) 20:00, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
What exactly are these "8.4cm guns" supposed to be? I cannot find such gun that would have been in German service (captured or not) as an anti-aircraft gun. This is clearly a case of the 83.5mm Skoda guns (which was indeed used by Germany from captured stores - also used by the Yugoslav Navy) /info/en/?search=8.35_cm_PL_kanon_vz._22 being referred to aas this "8.4cm guN" - see the case of captured Yugoslav destroyer Dubrovnik (Italian article refers to "84mm gun", while English language article refers to them correctly as 83.5mm https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premuda_(cacciatorpediniere) /info/en/?search=Yugoslav_destroyer_Dubrovnik There is no such "84mm gun" as a separate gun. 82.181.143.171 ( talk) 12:39, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
This is why we compare and contrast reliable sources. Peacemaker67 ( click to talk to me) 09:44, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
in late 1943 the german navy operated two vessels with the name Niobe: this and the former dutch cruiser Gelderland (see the wiki page). pietro 151.29.177.129 ( talk) 22:51, 24 January 2019 (UTC)