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Please click on the photo of the wreck to see remarks about the photo... Engr105th 14:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Is the wreck still there? Did it have to be removed piece by piece so that the river was navigable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Nkosi ( talk • contribs) 03:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I feel pretty certain that the ship[ illustrated is a much later City of Winchester than the one on the narrative.
Roger French 3 March 2012
The City of Winchester was located lying in 30 metres just off the shore line of Hallaniyat Island (Kuria Muria group) in the 1980s. I had the opportunity to dive the wreck in the 1990s which had totally collapsed on itself leaving the triple expansion engine and boilers as the high point in the wreck. It is now considered a heritage site by the Oman government. Kevin Patience - Kuzama ( talk) 09:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC) [1]
Picture Konigsbergcannon.jpg in media category is not from German ship, but from HMS Pegasus. There are two guns beside the fort gate in Mombasa, German is the left one. Kiselev_d ( talk) 6:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
The wreck of the Konigsberg was sold in 1923 to Captain John Ingles former Captain of HMS Pegasus for £200. Some time in the late 20s early 30s he sold it again. It was worked on until 1965 when what was left of the hull disappeared into the river bed. There is nothing to see on site other than broken pottery, bottles etc alongside the wreck site in the bushes. Having visited the site four times over the years I have carried out a detailed survey of the area looking for steel debris from the ship. However nothing was located. The collier SOMALI now enguled in mangrove has been cut up for scrap by locals living in the delta. Quite how much is left at present is unknown however an expedition hopes to visit the site before long.. Ref. Dar es Salaam Archival material and survey. Kuzama ( talk) 13:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments on sources. It would appear that some of the sources for this article are in fact questionable.. Hoyt's book 'The Germans who never lost' when it appeared was considered by many in East Africa who had first hand knowledge of the Konigsberg and its history to be incorrect. I can state that the wreck was NOT removed or scrapped in 1963 as I have pictures taken in 1965 when the wreck was still visible. My corrections which I added are based on 40 years of research in German, UK and East African archives all of which are proven which resulted in a book 'Konigsberg - A German East African Raider' that was read and approved by the Looff family. Perhaps you might like to read the true version of events based on the Konigsberg crew diaries of which I have copies translated from the German or read a copy of my book.. Having lectured on and written up the ship's history for some time, I wondered if perhaps we might put our skills together and set the record straight once and for all. Kuzama ( talk) 23:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/SMS Königsberg (1905) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I see that throughout the article, the vessel is referred to as "she" and "her". While I realise this is common in maritime culture, I'm not personally convinced it's appropriate encyclopaedic tone / style. So far as I was aware, it's almost always discouraged on Wikipedia with inanimate objects; I would have assumed this applied to ships as well, but was a bit surprised to learn that the Manual of Style allows an exception for military vessels and merchant ships. I suppose, after looking through comparable articles (where the non-gendered "it" seems to be slightly more favoured), I'm wondering whether other users think it's appropriate to import and use wording that's for the most part only used within naval / maritime culture itself. It seems to be a bit of a departure. I realise that this is something better put to the Village Pump, but I thought I would just see what others thought, since this page is likely to get a bit of traffic, and it was the first such article where I had seen gendered pronouns used for a ship. Quinto Simmaco ( talk) 04:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
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Please click on the photo of the wreck to see remarks about the photo... Engr105th 14:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Is the wreck still there? Did it have to be removed piece by piece so that the river was navigable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Peter Nkosi ( talk • contribs) 03:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
I feel pretty certain that the ship[ illustrated is a much later City of Winchester than the one on the narrative.
Roger French 3 March 2012
The City of Winchester was located lying in 30 metres just off the shore line of Hallaniyat Island (Kuria Muria group) in the 1980s. I had the opportunity to dive the wreck in the 1990s which had totally collapsed on itself leaving the triple expansion engine and boilers as the high point in the wreck. It is now considered a heritage site by the Oman government. Kevin Patience - Kuzama ( talk) 09:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC) [1]
Picture Konigsbergcannon.jpg in media category is not from German ship, but from HMS Pegasus. There are two guns beside the fort gate in Mombasa, German is the left one. Kiselev_d ( talk) 6:29, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
The wreck of the Konigsberg was sold in 1923 to Captain John Ingles former Captain of HMS Pegasus for £200. Some time in the late 20s early 30s he sold it again. It was worked on until 1965 when what was left of the hull disappeared into the river bed. There is nothing to see on site other than broken pottery, bottles etc alongside the wreck site in the bushes. Having visited the site four times over the years I have carried out a detailed survey of the area looking for steel debris from the ship. However nothing was located. The collier SOMALI now enguled in mangrove has been cut up for scrap by locals living in the delta. Quite how much is left at present is unknown however an expedition hopes to visit the site before long.. Ref. Dar es Salaam Archival material and survey. Kuzama ( talk) 13:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for your comments on sources. It would appear that some of the sources for this article are in fact questionable.. Hoyt's book 'The Germans who never lost' when it appeared was considered by many in East Africa who had first hand knowledge of the Konigsberg and its history to be incorrect. I can state that the wreck was NOT removed or scrapped in 1963 as I have pictures taken in 1965 when the wreck was still visible. My corrections which I added are based on 40 years of research in German, UK and East African archives all of which are proven which resulted in a book 'Konigsberg - A German East African Raider' that was read and approved by the Looff family. Perhaps you might like to read the true version of events based on the Konigsberg crew diaries of which I have copies translated from the German or read a copy of my book.. Having lectured on and written up the ship's history for some time, I wondered if perhaps we might put our skills together and set the record straight once and for all. Kuzama ( talk) 23:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/SMS Königsberg (1905) -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 21:41, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
I see that throughout the article, the vessel is referred to as "she" and "her". While I realise this is common in maritime culture, I'm not personally convinced it's appropriate encyclopaedic tone / style. So far as I was aware, it's almost always discouraged on Wikipedia with inanimate objects; I would have assumed this applied to ships as well, but was a bit surprised to learn that the Manual of Style allows an exception for military vessels and merchant ships. I suppose, after looking through comparable articles (where the non-gendered "it" seems to be slightly more favoured), I'm wondering whether other users think it's appropriate to import and use wording that's for the most part only used within naval / maritime culture itself. It seems to be a bit of a departure. I realise that this is something better put to the Village Pump, but I thought I would just see what others thought, since this page is likely to get a bit of traffic, and it was the first such article where I had seen gendered pronouns used for a ship. Quinto Simmaco ( talk) 04:25, 11 July 2015 (UTC)