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"hundreds of casualtys" sounds a little bit odd for a complement of 360, I believe that term is usually not used unless it means several hundred persons, which is alittle bit much even if there were more than 300 casualtys.
I have redirected this page to the SMS Emden (1906), because the 1914 ship is currently redlinked. Until that page is written, let this be a redirect. Otherwise it sounds like "Two individuals have been called Abraham Lincoln: the President and a plumber in Arkansas". -- Brhaspati\ talk/ contribs 13:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
There is no reference that Emadan was derived from Emden. But I was able to find that Emden is a Tamil Word "Emden" with a reliable source. Therefore I'm altering the content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.241.216 ( talk) 14:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
The article is good, but it is riddled with weasel words refering to its "valiant" captain and its "well-deserved" awards, etc. Yes, the ship did have a remarkably successful career, but these are still statements of opinion that should be removed to maintain a neutral POV. F-451 ( talk) 21:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I just changed "Fate" from "shot to pieces" to "scuttled", because the former is just propaganda and unfit for an encyclopedia.-- 217.111.119.146 ( talk) 07:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough ;-) -- 217.111.119.146 ( talk) 12:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Should SMS link to Seiner Majestät Schiff, that's a new very short page? Is it normal to link directly from the SMS at the very start of the article? Or should we link from some other occurence of SMS? 83.71.71.209 ( talk) 22:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
If anyone wants more sources or links, the free New York Times Archive got quite a lot of articles about the emden.. Just search for emden.. Some links here: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9901E0DC1738E633A25750C1A9679D946596D6CF SAW THE EMDEN LOSE LAST FIGHT; Cocos Island Cable Man's Vivid Description of Cruiser's Raid and the Final Battle.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E06E2DE103EE733A05753C2A9649D946596D6CF WHEN THE EMDEN RAIDED PENANG; Pen Picture from a Times Correspondent of Havoc She Wrought. YET LEFT PRAISE BEHIND Captain Wouldn't Fire on Merchant Craft and "Hoped He Hadn't Hit the Town."
There are a lot more there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.140.73.186 ( talk) 14:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Er, "*Divakar "SMS எம்டன் 22-09-1914" Published by Palaniappa Brothers, Madras 600014, India". Is this novel printed in English? Unless it is, it shouldn't be in the English Wikipedia, should it?. Cheers Bjenks ( talk) 02:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
In the 'Madras to Penang' section, para 7, I am a bit uneasy about the phrase "entered the harbour at top speed" (even if it is referenced). A quick glance at the infobox shows that Emden's 'top speed' was 23 knots. As a fully paid-up member of the land-lubber's society, I would say that the prospect of a 3,000 ton warship coming into the port at that speed would give anyone palpatations!
It might be better if the word 'top' was deleted.
Thoughts, anyone?
RASAM ( talk) 16:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
The second photograph shown for this ship in this article is actually of the second Emden, launched in 1916, despite the comments on its "official" caption. The first Emden had a much more pronounced "ram" bow and its forward mast was forward of the bridge. The second Emden had a less pronounced "ram" bow and its forward mast was behind the bridge. I can understand why the archivists incorrectly captioned the photograph as photos of the first Emden are almost nonexistent and the 1916 Emden can easily be confused with the first (the 1909 Emden), unless one is a student of this sort of thing. So, I am suggesting the second photo of the ship (in this article) be moved to the article about the second, 1916 Emden, as that article lacks a decent photo and its portrayal here is, in fact, 100% incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.166.26.178 ( talk) 15:15, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I just edited a link to the 2013 movie Die Männer der Emden to the article and was wondering if there are perhaps more movies about the ship. So I looked at inmd and saw there are a few more pre-world war II films. Some even have a wiki page like The Exploits of the Emden, How We Fought the Emden and Kreuzer Emden. Should these older films all be mentioned in the article? Pindanl ( talk) 16:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Four sailors were killed on Sydney, not three. Three were RN sailors on loan, one was RAN. CWGC lists all their names against Sydney on 9 November 1914. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 09:48, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
There is a display about the attack on the Cocos Islands in the Telegraph Museum in Porthcurno, Cornwall. From what I remember from a visit there a week ago, the Cocos Island station was predominantly a relay station for the telegraph network based on undersea cables. Although the station evidently also had wireless communication, perhaps the telegraph facilities were the main target. The German raiding party was deceived into cutting the wrong cable (the axe used is in the museum), but other equipment was damaged. Jmchutchinson ( talk) 07:44, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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Perhaps it should be noted that all crew members and their descendants were rewardet with the right to add the suffix "Emden" to their names.-- WerWil ( talk) 17:28, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I can only offer you the sources of the german artikle. For Example:
-- WerWil ( talk) 16:04, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
According to German Wikipedia the ship was laid down on 6 April 1906, not 1 November 1906. Which is correct?-- Andreas ( talk) 05:13, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I've used this article in a central discussion as an example of poor practice in pronoun use. There is a particularly glaring example of a six-sentence section containing nine pronouns. This is unfortunate, as it is about five or six too many. There's another thing I noticed; why does this article use "she" and "her"? Was there a discussion to do this or was it just a preference from the main writer(s)? Thanks in advance. -- The Huhsz ( talk) 22:41, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Her keel was laid down on 1 November 1906. She was launched on 26 May 1908 and christened by the Oberbürgermeister (Lord Mayor) of her namesake city, Dr. Leo Fürbringer. After fitting-out work was completed by 10 July 1909, she was commissioned into the fleet. The new cruiser began her sea trials that day; they were interrupted from 11 August to 5 September when she participated in the annual autumn maneuvers of the main fleet. During this period, she also served as the escort for Kaiser Wilhelm II aboard his yacht Hohenzollern. Emden was decommissioned in September after she completed her trials. (my emphasis)
I've taken a quick pass at copy-editing the whole article; it's very good but there was certainly prose there that wasn't brilliant. In the process I believe I got rid of 29 pronouns, without any Calliope-style contortions. It was quite easy. The sample is down from nine to three pronouns. I think that's better. I also appreciated the tweak from Parsecboy to correct "royal" to "imperial".
Her keel was laid down on 1 November 1906. She was launched on 26 May 1908 and christened by the Oberbürgermeister (Lord Mayor) of the city of Emden, Dr. Leo Fürbringer. After fitting-out work was completed by 10 July 1909, she was commissioned into the fleet. The new cruiser began sea trials that day but interrupted them from 11 August to 5 September to participate in the annual autumn maneuvers of the main fleet. During this period, Emden also escorted the imperial yacht Hohenzollern with Kaiser Wilhelm II aboard. Emden was decommissioned in September after completing trials. (my emphasis)
-- The Huhsz ( talk) 21:42, 28 December 2019 (UTC)-- The Huhsz ( talk) 21:52, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Emden was decommissioned in September after completing trials.
Wouldn't that be "commissioned"? -- The Huhsz ( talk) 00:01, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
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"hundreds of casualtys" sounds a little bit odd for a complement of 360, I believe that term is usually not used unless it means several hundred persons, which is alittle bit much even if there were more than 300 casualtys.
I have redirected this page to the SMS Emden (1906), because the 1914 ship is currently redlinked. Until that page is written, let this be a redirect. Otherwise it sounds like "Two individuals have been called Abraham Lincoln: the President and a plumber in Arkansas". -- Brhaspati\ talk/ contribs 13:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
There is no reference that Emadan was derived from Emden. But I was able to find that Emden is a Tamil Word "Emden" with a reliable source. Therefore I'm altering the content. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.33.241.216 ( talk) 14:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
The article is good, but it is riddled with weasel words refering to its "valiant" captain and its "well-deserved" awards, etc. Yes, the ship did have a remarkably successful career, but these are still statements of opinion that should be removed to maintain a neutral POV. F-451 ( talk) 21:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
I just changed "Fate" from "shot to pieces" to "scuttled", because the former is just propaganda and unfit for an encyclopedia.-- 217.111.119.146 ( talk) 07:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Fair enough ;-) -- 217.111.119.146 ( talk) 12:23, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Should SMS link to Seiner Majestät Schiff, that's a new very short page? Is it normal to link directly from the SMS at the very start of the article? Or should we link from some other occurence of SMS? 83.71.71.209 ( talk) 22:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
If anyone wants more sources or links, the free New York Times Archive got quite a lot of articles about the emden.. Just search for emden.. Some links here: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9901E0DC1738E633A25750C1A9679D946596D6CF SAW THE EMDEN LOSE LAST FIGHT; Cocos Island Cable Man's Vivid Description of Cruiser's Raid and the Final Battle.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9E06E2DE103EE733A05753C2A9649D946596D6CF WHEN THE EMDEN RAIDED PENANG; Pen Picture from a Times Correspondent of Havoc She Wrought. YET LEFT PRAISE BEHIND Captain Wouldn't Fire on Merchant Craft and "Hoped He Hadn't Hit the Town."
There are a lot more there. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.140.73.186 ( talk) 14:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
Er, "*Divakar "SMS எம்டன் 22-09-1914" Published by Palaniappa Brothers, Madras 600014, India". Is this novel printed in English? Unless it is, it shouldn't be in the English Wikipedia, should it?. Cheers Bjenks ( talk) 02:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
In the 'Madras to Penang' section, para 7, I am a bit uneasy about the phrase "entered the harbour at top speed" (even if it is referenced). A quick glance at the infobox shows that Emden's 'top speed' was 23 knots. As a fully paid-up member of the land-lubber's society, I would say that the prospect of a 3,000 ton warship coming into the port at that speed would give anyone palpatations!
It might be better if the word 'top' was deleted.
Thoughts, anyone?
RASAM ( talk) 16:46, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
The second photograph shown for this ship in this article is actually of the second Emden, launched in 1916, despite the comments on its "official" caption. The first Emden had a much more pronounced "ram" bow and its forward mast was forward of the bridge. The second Emden had a less pronounced "ram" bow and its forward mast was behind the bridge. I can understand why the archivists incorrectly captioned the photograph as photos of the first Emden are almost nonexistent and the 1916 Emden can easily be confused with the first (the 1909 Emden), unless one is a student of this sort of thing. So, I am suggesting the second photo of the ship (in this article) be moved to the article about the second, 1916 Emden, as that article lacks a decent photo and its portrayal here is, in fact, 100% incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.166.26.178 ( talk) 15:15, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
I just edited a link to the 2013 movie Die Männer der Emden to the article and was wondering if there are perhaps more movies about the ship. So I looked at inmd and saw there are a few more pre-world war II films. Some even have a wiki page like The Exploits of the Emden, How We Fought the Emden and Kreuzer Emden. Should these older films all be mentioned in the article? Pindanl ( talk) 16:27, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Four sailors were killed on Sydney, not three. Three were RN sailors on loan, one was RAN. CWGC lists all their names against Sydney on 9 November 1914. Regards, Peacemaker67 ( crack... thump) 09:48, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
There is a display about the attack on the Cocos Islands in the Telegraph Museum in Porthcurno, Cornwall. From what I remember from a visit there a week ago, the Cocos Island station was predominantly a relay station for the telegraph network based on undersea cables. Although the station evidently also had wireless communication, perhaps the telegraph facilities were the main target. The German raiding party was deceived into cutting the wrong cable (the axe used is in the museum), but other equipment was damaged. Jmchutchinson ( talk) 07:44, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
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Perhaps it should be noted that all crew members and their descendants were rewardet with the right to add the suffix "Emden" to their names.-- WerWil ( talk) 17:28, 26 June 2019 (UTC)
I can only offer you the sources of the german artikle. For Example:
-- WerWil ( talk) 16:04, 23 August 2019 (UTC)
According to German Wikipedia the ship was laid down on 6 April 1906, not 1 November 1906. Which is correct?-- Andreas ( talk) 05:13, 21 August 2019 (UTC)
I've used this article in a central discussion as an example of poor practice in pronoun use. There is a particularly glaring example of a six-sentence section containing nine pronouns. This is unfortunate, as it is about five or six too many. There's another thing I noticed; why does this article use "she" and "her"? Was there a discussion to do this or was it just a preference from the main writer(s)? Thanks in advance. -- The Huhsz ( talk) 22:41, 25 December 2019 (UTC)
Her keel was laid down on 1 November 1906. She was launched on 26 May 1908 and christened by the Oberbürgermeister (Lord Mayor) of her namesake city, Dr. Leo Fürbringer. After fitting-out work was completed by 10 July 1909, she was commissioned into the fleet. The new cruiser began her sea trials that day; they were interrupted from 11 August to 5 September when she participated in the annual autumn maneuvers of the main fleet. During this period, she also served as the escort for Kaiser Wilhelm II aboard his yacht Hohenzollern. Emden was decommissioned in September after she completed her trials. (my emphasis)
I've taken a quick pass at copy-editing the whole article; it's very good but there was certainly prose there that wasn't brilliant. In the process I believe I got rid of 29 pronouns, without any Calliope-style contortions. It was quite easy. The sample is down from nine to three pronouns. I think that's better. I also appreciated the tweak from Parsecboy to correct "royal" to "imperial".
Her keel was laid down on 1 November 1906. She was launched on 26 May 1908 and christened by the Oberbürgermeister (Lord Mayor) of the city of Emden, Dr. Leo Fürbringer. After fitting-out work was completed by 10 July 1909, she was commissioned into the fleet. The new cruiser began sea trials that day but interrupted them from 11 August to 5 September to participate in the annual autumn maneuvers of the main fleet. During this period, Emden also escorted the imperial yacht Hohenzollern with Kaiser Wilhelm II aboard. Emden was decommissioned in September after completing trials. (my emphasis)
-- The Huhsz ( talk) 21:42, 28 December 2019 (UTC)-- The Huhsz ( talk) 21:52, 29 December 2019 (UTC)
Emden was decommissioned in September after completing trials.
Wouldn't that be "commissioned"? -- The Huhsz ( talk) 00:01, 28 December 2019 (UTC)