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Would people please stop adding "Aizen is the hollow king" to every single article that mentions Aizen? Obviously, he is the hollow king, but we don't have enough information about what that actually means to really include it. Once we do have enough information, it will probably end up being a rather large section of the article, but for now, it's pretty pointless. -- Tjstrf 21:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Does there have to be spoilers in the first two lines? I didn't know he was a bad guy...
The opening credits for episode 97 of the anime feature Aizen in his new look holding the Orb of Distortion on his right palm. Guido MTY 14:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Aizan's been the leader of the Espada for a lot longer than since he left Soul Society. It takes longer than 6 months to build a palace that big, and several of the Espada, like Nnoitra, Nel, and Szayel, as well as the Privaron Espada, served him years before he got the Hōgyoku; Nnoitra and Szayel just recieved a power-up from it (ie: Nnoitra's scythe going from having 1 blade to having 2). Aizan's been experimenting with Hollows and creating Arrancar (look at Grand Fisher) probably ever since he became a shinigami, not just since he got the Hōgyoku. 75.157.124.3 ( talk) 18:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning in the article, and I've only seen it in the newest anime episode 60 (because I didn't notice it until just now, so I don't know if it occurs in Aizen's earlier appearances). But, as he talks, Aizen's glasses often change between clear, when you can see his eyes, shining with lens glare, or a half-half appearance where one lens is completely clear while the other is obscured with light. This could be a clever little reference to Aizen himself, who enshrouds his real self (people often identify someone's gaze and eyes as something revealing a person's inner self) behind a good natured, kind personality (light) that blinds people to what he really is by using his Kyōka Suigetsu. -- Mr Bucket 15:52, 8 December 2005 (EST)
i love the shining glasses which make him different
There are differences in Aizen's fight with Hitsugaya between the anime and the manga. In the manga he can't be seen (and thus said) to have used hypnosis but in the anime he can. I was just wondering if the article could reflect this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Casmith81 ( talk • contribs) .
I know Aizen is powerful, but in addition to the fact he uses his illusionary abilities in the battle agains the various captains shoudn't it also be noted that both Ichigo and Renji were both severely weakened from previous battles which may have been why he caught Ichigo's bankai. Or is that considereid to minor to mention?
Shouldn't it still be mentioned for those who haven't read it?
Anyone disagree with putting the pic on the right as the main Aizen picture instead of his shinigami guise? - Gdo01
Honestly I would just go with this look -- Bushido Brown 14:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Aizen looks ridiculous in the first picture with glasses. This picture is soooooo much better, don' you guys love that curly hair coming down his face. Besides the the geek with glasses was a fake persona that he made up, this is the real thing. I think we should have two pictures somewhere on the page; one of them should be this anime picture and the other one should be the 18th page of manga chapter 244 where you get to see Aizen in his full hollow uniform. noman953
The first picture is his original form, less spoilery, and the one from the opening credits is just ugly. If you want a picture of him looking evil, use Image:Aizentrue.JPG. -- tjstrf 22:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Who cares about spoilers. A picture doesn't give anything away so I don't what's the big concern with spoilers, because everything written on this page is a spoiler as it should be. Both the pictures on this page are ugly. The only good ones are the ones that I mentioned previously. Why do you want Aizen to continue looking ridiculous when both the manga and the anime have better pictures of him. noman953
The picture depicting Aizen's power to create illusory bodies should be removed as it is non-canon. - Tsjirf 28, November 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.243.223.25 ( talk) 08:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, he has. He faked Ulqiorra's body in order to mess with some rebel arrancar. Or did you watch the anime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.43.190 ( talk) 07:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I have now uploaded a new picture. Please discuss here before going off and starting an edit war. To some of the posts above: I just thought it was about time. Also, while the old picture was less "spoilery", it was not the real Aizen. And it was pretty boring from the start. Arawn 02:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arawn V ( talk • contribs)
Why has this been taken out? I know it says he is stronger then a normal captain (whatever qualifies as normal), but until his is in an actual fight and doesn't use it how is that statment speculation?
It doesn't mean you are omnipotent. It's a statement of intention, that you do not intend to be stopped. Compare the (not actually existant) United States Postal Service creed, "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night...". Obviously if there was to be a 20 foot snowfall, the postal service would indeed be stopped. However, the purpose of the statement is not that they are unstoppable, but that they intend to be.
In other words, "Aizen will stop at nothing to complete his goals" means "Aizen will not refrain from any action, no matter how extreme, to complete his goals", or alternately "Aizen intends to complete his goals, regardless of cost or extremity". It does not mean "Aizen is unstoppable".
This has been your idiom lesson for the day.-- tjstrf Now on editor review! 20:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
wow we have the new anime picture at last but I wonder how long it'll be up there until spoiler fearing people decide to remove it. oh well I still feel the manga picture which shows Aizen full uniform would be better. Try 18th page of manga chapter 244 where you get to see Aizen in his full hollow uniform. noman953
I still don't understand why Noman so vehemently opposes the current anime picture from the end of the Soul Society arc, but I will also support a higher-res manga image such as the one to the right. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 10:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
People already know that Aizen is an antagonist, I think we can put the picture of his new self up 18:45, 21 November 2006
listen Ynhockey the main reason I oppose the old picture is because you have no problem writing story line spoilers but when Aizen's gets a spoilerish picture you go ballistic. where's the sense in that? ichimaru and tousen have new pictures at the bottom of their pages, yet Aizen doesn't. why is that? and why has the new picture been removed "again"? I'm compromising my views by agreeing to have a picture that doesn't really have much of a body shot and is included at the bottom of the page. But if that's still too spoiler-like for you than why do you allow ichimaru and tousen page to have the same luxury? (this is not the first time I asked this question)-- noman953
I have removed the following text from the synopsis:
It can probably be inferred that Aizen wants Orihime to restore the hogyoku, but it hasn't actually be said, that part is debatable. His reasons for bringing her to Hueco Mundo have already been explained in chapter 240 - her abilities can give Aizen access to the very realm of god (or at least, probably breach that protection of the separate realm/dimension the King of Soul Society is in, stretching that a bit).
As for the rest, that Aizen knows of Orihime's own intentions regarding the hogyoku, that is purely speculative, and much to speculate on his smiles/expressions. If he thought as much, the LAST place he would be letting her be would be near the toy he's taken such pains to gain.
144.135.138.156 18:45, 20 December 2006 (EDST)
Whether anon here is correct or not, the whole section is still speculative. I don't believe it states anywhere what Aizen's motives are and what exactly he plans to do with Orihime. Even if he does, half the section is cruft (facial expressions?) If someone can provide evidence suggesting that Aizen indeed wants Orihime to restore the orb, please post it here and I will attempt to re-word the section. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 18:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
In chapter 176, pages 9-11, Aizen clearly uses his illusions in combat. On page 9, Komamura sees Aizen next to Tousen. On page 10, Aizen is directly in front of Komamura. Komamura glances down, sees Aizen, thinks "impossible". On page 11, Komamura looks back up, and sees Aizen's illusionary copy which is melting away into the air. For those who wish to claim artistic error, Aizen confirms the deliberate intent of the drawn representation on page 13 of the same chapter, where he talks about how awesome the hypnotic skill is.
End of debate regarding Aizen's power use in combat, do not add any more speculation. -- tjstrf talk 08:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought they were like Ichigo and repressed their inner hollows to become arrancar.
While it is logical to assume that they will become vizard to increase their powers at this point there has been no indication that they are vizards yet. Jargon 00:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Correction. Of the three, at least Kaname is a Visored. He's about to put on a hollow mask at the end of Chapter 383. 142.26.194.190 ( talk) 15:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone think that describing Aizen as an antagonist is a spoiler? When he is first introduced, he is portrayed as Hinamori's hero not the enemy. 209.195.93.63 00:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I for one dislike that captain picture coz it makes him look like a dork...:( i prefere this one much more image:Aizen_Sousuke.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marik248 ( talk • contribs) 21:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
Can someone quickly explain the compelling reason for including a spoiler tag here? Phil Sandifer 21:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I have replaced the {{ spoiler}} by {{ current fiction}} to make it clear that the warning is temporary. Kusma ( talk) 12:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)\
"The only way to avoid the effect is to not see Kyōka Suigetsu at the moment of its shikai release, making the blind Kaname Tōsen the only person in Soul Society completely immune to its effects." Surely Tōsen isn't the only blind person? Shouldn't it say "The only major character" or something? -- The last sheikah 22:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think he can see. His eyes aren't covered, but they look fairly blind. Anyway, I thought he was blind since birth? Or do we have a source for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.43.190 ( talk) 19:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Tōsen is blind. And, he's clearly not the only blind person in Soul Society, but the only one in Seireitei. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.80.29.60 ( talk) 20:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Does Aizen really belong in the category of fictional geneticists? I don't think his study into Hollowfication really counts as genetics. I'd remove him from the category if I knew how. 97.120.19.92 ( talk) 03:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Aizen was behind everything, literally everything that's happened in the series. Who doesn't think that's important enough to add to the article? 142.26.194.190 ( talk) 22:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Gin's flashback shows him watching Aizen holding the Hogyoku, and three shinigami kneeling before him. Does this imply that Aizen had access to the Hogyoku prior to his defection from Soul Society? 207.216.206.244 ( talk) 17:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Wasn't to sure how to get the fair rationale thing down so if someone could help me with it that would be cool. If you don't like the picture then just take it down, it makes no difference to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxas255 ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay, but i just thought that you guys should choose his main look as his main image and put that image in the description section below. I've seen some other articles that have done that but since you don't like it thats cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.139.170 ( talk) 23:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I saw the name of the prison Aizen was sent to translated as "Avici", which makes sense as it is the name of the lowest level of Naraku in Buddhism. Mhat is "Muken"? 207.216.197.154 ( talk) 06:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
He is not the second strongest captain. He was strong but not that strong to be called the Second Strongest Captain. He defeated the allied party of Captains and Visored because he was fused with Hogyoku which boosted his power so greatly. Penpaperpencil (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC).
Tosen's blindness makes him immune to the hypnosis. Is that a possible reason as to why Gin's eyes are always closed? 67.172.28.84 ( talk) 22:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
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Would people please stop adding "Aizen is the hollow king" to every single article that mentions Aizen? Obviously, he is the hollow king, but we don't have enough information about what that actually means to really include it. Once we do have enough information, it will probably end up being a rather large section of the article, but for now, it's pretty pointless. -- Tjstrf 21:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Does there have to be spoilers in the first two lines? I didn't know he was a bad guy...
The opening credits for episode 97 of the anime feature Aizen in his new look holding the Orb of Distortion on his right palm. Guido MTY 14:11, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Aizan's been the leader of the Espada for a lot longer than since he left Soul Society. It takes longer than 6 months to build a palace that big, and several of the Espada, like Nnoitra, Nel, and Szayel, as well as the Privaron Espada, served him years before he got the Hōgyoku; Nnoitra and Szayel just recieved a power-up from it (ie: Nnoitra's scythe going from having 1 blade to having 2). Aizan's been experimenting with Hollows and creating Arrancar (look at Grand Fisher) probably ever since he became a shinigami, not just since he got the Hōgyoku. 75.157.124.3 ( talk) 18:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure if it's worth mentioning in the article, and I've only seen it in the newest anime episode 60 (because I didn't notice it until just now, so I don't know if it occurs in Aizen's earlier appearances). But, as he talks, Aizen's glasses often change between clear, when you can see his eyes, shining with lens glare, or a half-half appearance where one lens is completely clear while the other is obscured with light. This could be a clever little reference to Aizen himself, who enshrouds his real self (people often identify someone's gaze and eyes as something revealing a person's inner self) behind a good natured, kind personality (light) that blinds people to what he really is by using his Kyōka Suigetsu. -- Mr Bucket 15:52, 8 December 2005 (EST)
i love the shining glasses which make him different
There are differences in Aizen's fight with Hitsugaya between the anime and the manga. In the manga he can't be seen (and thus said) to have used hypnosis but in the anime he can. I was just wondering if the article could reflect this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Casmith81 ( talk • contribs) .
I know Aizen is powerful, but in addition to the fact he uses his illusionary abilities in the battle agains the various captains shoudn't it also be noted that both Ichigo and Renji were both severely weakened from previous battles which may have been why he caught Ichigo's bankai. Or is that considereid to minor to mention?
Shouldn't it still be mentioned for those who haven't read it?
Anyone disagree with putting the pic on the right as the main Aizen picture instead of his shinigami guise? - Gdo01
Honestly I would just go with this look -- Bushido Brown 14:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
Aizen looks ridiculous in the first picture with glasses. This picture is soooooo much better, don' you guys love that curly hair coming down his face. Besides the the geek with glasses was a fake persona that he made up, this is the real thing. I think we should have two pictures somewhere on the page; one of them should be this anime picture and the other one should be the 18th page of manga chapter 244 where you get to see Aizen in his full hollow uniform. noman953
The first picture is his original form, less spoilery, and the one from the opening credits is just ugly. If you want a picture of him looking evil, use Image:Aizentrue.JPG. -- tjstrf 22:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Who cares about spoilers. A picture doesn't give anything away so I don't what's the big concern with spoilers, because everything written on this page is a spoiler as it should be. Both the pictures on this page are ugly. The only good ones are the ones that I mentioned previously. Why do you want Aizen to continue looking ridiculous when both the manga and the anime have better pictures of him. noman953
The picture depicting Aizen's power to create illusory bodies should be removed as it is non-canon. - Tsjirf 28, November 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.243.223.25 ( talk) 08:38, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Yes, he has. He faked Ulqiorra's body in order to mess with some rebel arrancar. Or did you watch the anime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.43.190 ( talk) 07:17, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I have now uploaded a new picture. Please discuss here before going off and starting an edit war. To some of the posts above: I just thought it was about time. Also, while the old picture was less "spoilery", it was not the real Aizen. And it was pretty boring from the start. Arawn 02:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arawn V ( talk • contribs)
Why has this been taken out? I know it says he is stronger then a normal captain (whatever qualifies as normal), but until his is in an actual fight and doesn't use it how is that statment speculation?
It doesn't mean you are omnipotent. It's a statement of intention, that you do not intend to be stopped. Compare the (not actually existant) United States Postal Service creed, "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night...". Obviously if there was to be a 20 foot snowfall, the postal service would indeed be stopped. However, the purpose of the statement is not that they are unstoppable, but that they intend to be.
In other words, "Aizen will stop at nothing to complete his goals" means "Aizen will not refrain from any action, no matter how extreme, to complete his goals", or alternately "Aizen intends to complete his goals, regardless of cost or extremity". It does not mean "Aizen is unstoppable".
This has been your idiom lesson for the day.-- tjstrf Now on editor review! 20:12, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
wow we have the new anime picture at last but I wonder how long it'll be up there until spoiler fearing people decide to remove it. oh well I still feel the manga picture which shows Aizen full uniform would be better. Try 18th page of manga chapter 244 where you get to see Aizen in his full hollow uniform. noman953
I still don't understand why Noman so vehemently opposes the current anime picture from the end of the Soul Society arc, but I will also support a higher-res manga image such as the one to the right. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 10:57, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
People already know that Aizen is an antagonist, I think we can put the picture of his new self up 18:45, 21 November 2006
listen Ynhockey the main reason I oppose the old picture is because you have no problem writing story line spoilers but when Aizen's gets a spoilerish picture you go ballistic. where's the sense in that? ichimaru and tousen have new pictures at the bottom of their pages, yet Aizen doesn't. why is that? and why has the new picture been removed "again"? I'm compromising my views by agreeing to have a picture that doesn't really have much of a body shot and is included at the bottom of the page. But if that's still too spoiler-like for you than why do you allow ichimaru and tousen page to have the same luxury? (this is not the first time I asked this question)-- noman953
I have removed the following text from the synopsis:
It can probably be inferred that Aizen wants Orihime to restore the hogyoku, but it hasn't actually be said, that part is debatable. His reasons for bringing her to Hueco Mundo have already been explained in chapter 240 - her abilities can give Aizen access to the very realm of god (or at least, probably breach that protection of the separate realm/dimension the King of Soul Society is in, stretching that a bit).
As for the rest, that Aizen knows of Orihime's own intentions regarding the hogyoku, that is purely speculative, and much to speculate on his smiles/expressions. If he thought as much, the LAST place he would be letting her be would be near the toy he's taken such pains to gain.
144.135.138.156 18:45, 20 December 2006 (EDST)
Whether anon here is correct or not, the whole section is still speculative. I don't believe it states anywhere what Aizen's motives are and what exactly he plans to do with Orihime. Even if he does, half the section is cruft (facial expressions?) If someone can provide evidence suggesting that Aizen indeed wants Orihime to restore the orb, please post it here and I will attempt to re-word the section. -- Ynhockey ( Talk) 18:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
In chapter 176, pages 9-11, Aizen clearly uses his illusions in combat. On page 9, Komamura sees Aizen next to Tousen. On page 10, Aizen is directly in front of Komamura. Komamura glances down, sees Aizen, thinks "impossible". On page 11, Komamura looks back up, and sees Aizen's illusionary copy which is melting away into the air. For those who wish to claim artistic error, Aizen confirms the deliberate intent of the drawn representation on page 13 of the same chapter, where he talks about how awesome the hypnotic skill is.
End of debate regarding Aizen's power use in combat, do not add any more speculation. -- tjstrf talk 08:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
I thought they were like Ichigo and repressed their inner hollows to become arrancar.
While it is logical to assume that they will become vizard to increase their powers at this point there has been no indication that they are vizards yet. Jargon 00:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Correction. Of the three, at least Kaname is a Visored. He's about to put on a hollow mask at the end of Chapter 383. 142.26.194.190 ( talk) 15:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
Does anyone think that describing Aizen as an antagonist is a spoiler? When he is first introduced, he is portrayed as Hinamori's hero not the enemy. 209.195.93.63 00:50, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
I for one dislike that captain picture coz it makes him look like a dork...:( i prefere this one much more image:Aizen_Sousuke.jpg —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Marik248 ( talk • contribs) 21:32, 11 May 2007 (UTC).
Can someone quickly explain the compelling reason for including a spoiler tag here? Phil Sandifer 21:21, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I have replaced the {{ spoiler}} by {{ current fiction}} to make it clear that the warning is temporary. Kusma ( talk) 12:07, 13 September 2007 (UTC)\
"The only way to avoid the effect is to not see Kyōka Suigetsu at the moment of its shikai release, making the blind Kaname Tōsen the only person in Soul Society completely immune to its effects." Surely Tōsen isn't the only blind person? Shouldn't it say "The only major character" or something? -- The last sheikah 22:06, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't think he can see. His eyes aren't covered, but they look fairly blind. Anyway, I thought he was blind since birth? Or do we have a source for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.43.190 ( talk) 19:28, 8 June 2008 (UTC) Tōsen is blind. And, he's clearly not the only blind person in Soul Society, but the only one in Seireitei. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.80.29.60 ( talk) 20:04, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Does Aizen really belong in the category of fictional geneticists? I don't think his study into Hollowfication really counts as genetics. I'd remove him from the category if I knew how. 97.120.19.92 ( talk) 03:06, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Aizen was behind everything, literally everything that's happened in the series. Who doesn't think that's important enough to add to the article? 142.26.194.190 ( talk) 22:41, 25 March 2010 (UTC)
Gin's flashback shows him watching Aizen holding the Hogyoku, and three shinigami kneeling before him. Does this imply that Aizen had access to the Hogyoku prior to his defection from Soul Society? 207.216.206.244 ( talk) 17:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
Wasn't to sure how to get the fair rationale thing down so if someone could help me with it that would be cool. If you don't like the picture then just take it down, it makes no difference to me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxas255 ( talk • contribs) 04:56, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
Okay, but i just thought that you guys should choose his main look as his main image and put that image in the description section below. I've seen some other articles that have done that but since you don't like it thats cool —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.145.139.170 ( talk) 23:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
I saw the name of the prison Aizen was sent to translated as "Avici", which makes sense as it is the name of the lowest level of Naraku in Buddhism. Mhat is "Muken"? 207.216.197.154 ( talk) 06:38, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
He is not the second strongest captain. He was strong but not that strong to be called the Second Strongest Captain. He defeated the allied party of Captains and Visored because he was fused with Hogyoku which boosted his power so greatly. Penpaperpencil (Talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:24, 18 June 2011 (UTC).
Tosen's blindness makes him immune to the hypnosis. Is that a possible reason as to why Gin's eyes are always closed? 67.172.28.84 ( talk) 22:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)