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The sowilo rune traditionaly does not look as this
image or this
image depicts it, which is how unicode fonts portray the rune.
See the images
here or
here or even the Schutzstaffel
insignia for examples of what the Sowilo rune traditionaly looked like.
The Nazi symbols legal disclaimer indicates that the rune should like more the Schutzstaffel insignia than the unicode character.
Anyone able—and willing—to correct this image so it no longer uses the unicode version of the rune?
—
Asatruer 22:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any sources for that?
All of the books on Runes that I have read depict the Elder Futhark sowilo as
and not
. If you check the external links listed on the
Elder Futhark page, the two of the links that show the runes show the
form or a mirror image of it. One of these links has a
subpage that is rather usefull to the discussion, where it is indicated that while the
form —and its many variant— pre-date the
form, the mirror image of and
forms were the dominant forms between 200–750.
—
Asatruer 18:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I've just made an edit where I removed a note regarding Sinthgunt, sister of Sol, as a moon goddess. I intended to specify this in my edit but I mistakenly hit enter a bit early. Anyway, what I was saying is that if it stays in it needs rewording as a theory and it needs to be attributed. :bloodofox: ( talk) 22:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
From the theories section:
Theories have been proposed that Sól, as a goddess, may represent an extension of an earlier Proto-Indo-European deity due to Indo-European linguistic connections between Norse Sól, Sanskrit Surya, Gaulish Sulis, Lithuanian Saulė, and Slavic Tsar Solnitse.
I suppose it would be appropriate to add the Greek Helios to this list, with a proper source? – Holt T• C 14:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Recently Midnightblueowl ( talk · contribs) added this photograph (to the right) to the article. As can be seen, this is a an attempt at depicting the Germanic sun goddess, but as male rather than correctly female, seemingly directly influenced by Helios from Greek mythology rather than anything Germanic. The problem with putting this in the article is evident in that it sows confusion and is misleading when this is not directly explained up front, yet an explanation would require a reference, especially when claims are made about romanticist depictions of Germanic gods. For the record, I agree with the statements in his edit summary above, but as the article is currently fully referenced and has gained GA-status, I think this needs to be put on hold until some solid references about this statue can be found and, with it, the appropriate sourced commentary.
If I am correct, this is one of a series of "lost Anglo-Saxon gods" statues, and we could also use photographs of the others for some other articles as well, if you have the, Midnightblueowl, although if they're as outright wrongly depicted as this one we'll be in a similar situation, I'm afraid. :bloodofox: ( talk) 16:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I tagged
with {{
Why?}} -- i.e., what about each reveals its gender? Is it just that sól is feminine when it doesn't refer to the sun and "máni" is masculine when it doesn't refer to the sun (or to the moon?). Presumably not just that writers use the pronoun of corresponding gender on second reference to each proper name! In some languages you can tell bcz any word ending with -e or -a or -ess, for instance, is feminine. But it's confusing to just say "is", especially since "probably" implies that there is reason to examine the evidence.
--
Jerzy•
t 17:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
The nouns themselves are masculine and feminine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_grammar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.149.89.67 ( talk) 14:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Sol is the Latin name for the Sun. In English: solar refers to the Sun. Life on this planet is the result of Father Sol's interactions - the energy & information - with Mother Earth and 'Aunt Luna'<ref]source needed</ref]. 73.85.207.81 ( talk) 13:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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Sól (Germanic mythology) has been listed as one of the Philosophy and religion good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | ||||||||||
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The sowilo rune traditionaly does not look as this
image or this
image depicts it, which is how unicode fonts portray the rune.
See the images
here or
here or even the Schutzstaffel
insignia for examples of what the Sowilo rune traditionaly looked like.
The Nazi symbols legal disclaimer indicates that the rune should like more the Schutzstaffel insignia than the unicode character.
Anyone able—and willing—to correct this image so it no longer uses the unicode version of the rune?
—
Asatruer 22:23, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Do you have any sources for that?
All of the books on Runes that I have read depict the Elder Futhark sowilo as
and not
. If you check the external links listed on the
Elder Futhark page, the two of the links that show the runes show the
form or a mirror image of it. One of these links has a
subpage that is rather usefull to the discussion, where it is indicated that while the
form —and its many variant— pre-date the
form, the mirror image of and
forms were the dominant forms between 200–750.
—
Asatruer 18:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
I've just made an edit where I removed a note regarding Sinthgunt, sister of Sol, as a moon goddess. I intended to specify this in my edit but I mistakenly hit enter a bit early. Anyway, what I was saying is that if it stays in it needs rewording as a theory and it needs to be attributed. :bloodofox: ( talk) 22:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
From the theories section:
Theories have been proposed that Sól, as a goddess, may represent an extension of an earlier Proto-Indo-European deity due to Indo-European linguistic connections between Norse Sól, Sanskrit Surya, Gaulish Sulis, Lithuanian Saulė, and Slavic Tsar Solnitse.
I suppose it would be appropriate to add the Greek Helios to this list, with a proper source? – Holt T• C 14:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Recently Midnightblueowl ( talk · contribs) added this photograph (to the right) to the article. As can be seen, this is a an attempt at depicting the Germanic sun goddess, but as male rather than correctly female, seemingly directly influenced by Helios from Greek mythology rather than anything Germanic. The problem with putting this in the article is evident in that it sows confusion and is misleading when this is not directly explained up front, yet an explanation would require a reference, especially when claims are made about romanticist depictions of Germanic gods. For the record, I agree with the statements in his edit summary above, but as the article is currently fully referenced and has gained GA-status, I think this needs to be put on hold until some solid references about this statue can be found and, with it, the appropriate sourced commentary.
If I am correct, this is one of a series of "lost Anglo-Saxon gods" statues, and we could also use photographs of the others for some other articles as well, if you have the, Midnightblueowl, although if they're as outright wrongly depicted as this one we'll be in a similar situation, I'm afraid. :bloodofox: ( talk) 16:07, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
I tagged
with {{
Why?}} -- i.e., what about each reveals its gender? Is it just that sól is feminine when it doesn't refer to the sun and "máni" is masculine when it doesn't refer to the sun (or to the moon?). Presumably not just that writers use the pronoun of corresponding gender on second reference to each proper name! In some languages you can tell bcz any word ending with -e or -a or -ess, for instance, is feminine. But it's confusing to just say "is", especially since "probably" implies that there is reason to examine the evidence.
--
Jerzy•
t 17:48, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
The nouns themselves are masculine and feminine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_grammar —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.149.89.67 ( talk) 14:19, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
Sol is the Latin name for the Sun. In English: solar refers to the Sun. Life on this planet is the result of Father Sol's interactions - the energy & information - with Mother Earth and 'Aunt Luna'<ref]source needed</ref]. 73.85.207.81 ( talk) 13:50, 10 September 2018 (UTC)