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Included some material from http://cepa.newschool.edu/het/profiles/vauban.htm. See their disclaimer [1]: "You may print, reproduce, retrieve, or use the information contained in this History of Economic Thought (HET) Website for non-commercial, personal, or educational purposes only. If material is used for other purposes, you must obtain permission from the designers of the HET Website to use the copyrighted material prior to its use." olivier 07:30, Jul 26, 2004 (UTC)
More information on his systems would be needed. -- 84.20.17.84 10:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree, and in my Copious Free Time I might try to assist.
— However I'd suggest that a separate article might be advisable here, perhaps "Fortification systems of Vauban"? They'd be a detailed description for military architecture buffs, not biographers.--
Andy Dingley
14:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I've never posted to this site, so consider this an exploratory statement as:I can't be sure that I have not missed something.
I recently visited the home of Vauban, at Bazoches,in Burgundy. Nearby is the "Eglise Saint Hilaire," which contains the tomb of Vauban. This would seem to contradict the statement that his remains were scattered after the revolution! In fact, at his tomb, is a very clear explanation of how his remains were brought there, and also how his heart ended up in Paris. I have notes, as well as photographs, detailing all this and will dig into them in the coming weeks. This post is intended to clarify that I am not missing some plainly obvious point, before I spend the time to do further research.
Thanks
A/R —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.23.126.2 ( talk) 00:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry but this is not enough. See WP:EXCEPTIONAL. "foremost" of the entire world of the entire age? If it is widely held, there should be plenty of sources to support it. Britannica did say exactly this, only that was about Chevalier de Clerville.
No, a couple of times over. To begin, 1911 Britannica did not say de Clerville was the foremost military engineer of his day it says " one of the foremost engineers of the time". "One of" is significant. It says, instead, that Vauban was "the most celebrated of military engineers"; i.e., the big cheese, period, or at least to date. Now, in another source, this might confuse celebrity with reputation, but not here. Britannica was pretty good about that.
Now, certain mud-dwellers of the swampy Rhenish delta might wish to make a case for Coehorn, but real as his talents were, he never had the scope, living in a land where the water table was expressed in negative numbers, and a barrowful of dirt could create noticeable relief, capable of domination of the land out to the horizon... Anmccaff ( talk) 14:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
PS: On a more serious note American Military History vol. 1 p27.
PPS: On a more serious note Sebastien Le Prestre de Vauban, marshal of France, may have been the foremost military engineer of all time. The New Encyclopædia Britannica, Volume 30 p37
Catlemur ( talk) 15:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Robinvp11 ( talk) 09:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
-- Catlemur ( talk) 16:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Txs Robinvp11 ( talk) 09:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Robinvp11: as real as the French Connection for USACE is, this wasn’t the only thread for the idea of state support of civil works. That was a real enough part of the British, Prussian, Dutch, &cet traditions, all of which had real influence on the early US. Dunno if Vauban’s real, but not exclusive part needs to be so prominently showcased in the lead. Qwirkle ( talk) 23:04, 26 October 2020 (UTC) PS:Vauban’s influence on other nation’s military engineering policy as part of nation-building were also great, and not just for the obvious colonial dependencies. Again, such a particular focus seems undue in the lead. Qwirkle ( talk) 23:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi all.
I applogies if this is not the done thing. I can’t see how you are supposed to contact the editors of the page.
I’m producing a podcast about Ile de re on the Atlantic coast of France and I’d very much like to speak to someone about Vauban.
I’m really just looking for someone who is well informed. They do not need to be a professional or an expert.
Apologies once again if this is not how you are supposed to use this page.
Is there a way to contact an editor so I can speak to them on the phone about Vauban?
Thanks in Advance! ConceptJunky ( talk) 10:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
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More information on his systems would be needed. -- 84.20.17.84 10:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I agree, and in my Copious Free Time I might try to assist.
— However I'd suggest that a separate article might be advisable here, perhaps "Fortification systems of Vauban"? They'd be a detailed description for military architecture buffs, not biographers.--
Andy Dingley
14:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I've never posted to this site, so consider this an exploratory statement as:I can't be sure that I have not missed something.
I recently visited the home of Vauban, at Bazoches,in Burgundy. Nearby is the "Eglise Saint Hilaire," which contains the tomb of Vauban. This would seem to contradict the statement that his remains were scattered after the revolution! In fact, at his tomb, is a very clear explanation of how his remains were brought there, and also how his heart ended up in Paris. I have notes, as well as photographs, detailing all this and will dig into them in the coming weeks. This post is intended to clarify that I am not missing some plainly obvious point, before I spend the time to do further research.
Thanks
A/R —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.23.126.2 ( talk) 00:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
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Sorry but this is not enough. See WP:EXCEPTIONAL. "foremost" of the entire world of the entire age? If it is widely held, there should be plenty of sources to support it. Britannica did say exactly this, only that was about Chevalier de Clerville.
No, a couple of times over. To begin, 1911 Britannica did not say de Clerville was the foremost military engineer of his day it says " one of the foremost engineers of the time". "One of" is significant. It says, instead, that Vauban was "the most celebrated of military engineers"; i.e., the big cheese, period, or at least to date. Now, in another source, this might confuse celebrity with reputation, but not here. Britannica was pretty good about that.
Now, certain mud-dwellers of the swampy Rhenish delta might wish to make a case for Coehorn, but real as his talents were, he never had the scope, living in a land where the water table was expressed in negative numbers, and a barrowful of dirt could create noticeable relief, capable of domination of the land out to the horizon... Anmccaff ( talk) 14:18, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
PS: On a more serious note American Military History vol. 1 p27.
PPS: On a more serious note Sebastien Le Prestre de Vauban, marshal of France, may have been the foremost military engineer of all time. The New Encyclopædia Britannica, Volume 30 p37
Catlemur ( talk) 15:47, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Robinvp11 ( talk) 09:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
-- Catlemur ( talk) 16:06, 24 June 2020 (UTC) Txs Robinvp11 ( talk) 09:26, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
@ Robinvp11: as real as the French Connection for USACE is, this wasn’t the only thread for the idea of state support of civil works. That was a real enough part of the British, Prussian, Dutch, &cet traditions, all of which had real influence on the early US. Dunno if Vauban’s real, but not exclusive part needs to be so prominently showcased in the lead. Qwirkle ( talk) 23:04, 26 October 2020 (UTC) PS:Vauban’s influence on other nation’s military engineering policy as part of nation-building were also great, and not just for the obvious colonial dependencies. Again, such a particular focus seems undue in the lead. Qwirkle ( talk) 23:13, 26 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi all.
I applogies if this is not the done thing. I can’t see how you are supposed to contact the editors of the page.
I’m producing a podcast about Ile de re on the Atlantic coast of France and I’d very much like to speak to someone about Vauban.
I’m really just looking for someone who is well informed. They do not need to be a professional or an expert.
Apologies once again if this is not how you are supposed to use this page.
Is there a way to contact an editor so I can speak to them on the phone about Vauban?
Thanks in Advance! ConceptJunky ( talk) 10:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)