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5224 characters - passes the threshold, all phrases cited, hook is VERY VERY interesting, the main source in here (Stone 2003) is offline and AGF. I had a good chuckle reading the first section. Regards,
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a thirty-year-old virgin[19] who is rumoured to have "prodigious natural endowments" and is later conferred the title of "Ruyijun" or "Lord of Perfect Satisfaction" by Empress Wu Zetian after she summons him into her quarters to personally confirm said rumourentirely duplicates facts we already know from the prior section, with the exception of the fact that Xue is 30. I would suggest fitting that into the plot summary and cutting the rest, leaving something like:
Ruyijun zhuan chronicles Wu Zetian's rise to power, while detailing her numerous sexual encounters, especially with the male protagonist Xue Aocao. Apart from Xue, all of the empress' lovers depicted in Ruyijun zhuan are historical figures.
Ruyijun zhuan is forty-seven pages long: I don't think "pages" is super useful as an unqualified measure of length. Does this mean that the original manuscript is 47 pages, or the 1763 first printed edition, or some other edition, or the English translation? Even typesetting can make an enormous difference! Can you clarify what this refers to? (To take an example from my own speciality, translations of Sappho 16 run from half a page of the Loeb edition, to nearly two (rather larger!) pages in Carson's If Not, Winter)
This is a super interesting article. That's all I picked up on my first pass-through, but I'm going to want to dig into this one properly – more soon! Caeciliusinhorto ( talk) 20:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
The preface and postscript of the novella are dated 1514 and 1520 respectively, suggesting that the story itself was written sometime in betweenBut the source cited doesn't quite say this; it says that Liu Hui believes this, and that Charles Stone believes that the preface and postscript are dated to 1634 and 1760 respectively! This is a very substantial disagreement. Both H. Laura Wu (in Huang 2004, p.203) and Martin Huang (Huang 2020 p.115) report this disagreement without taking a side on it, which suggests to me that the matter isn't conclusively settled, and Wikipedia should not be reporting one possible date as fact.
Huang is also made what is believed to be the earliest known reference to Ruyijun zhuan in a three-page-long essay published between 1525 and 1540.Of the three sources cited for this claim, one of them explicitly contradicts it – Hanan dates the first reference to RZ to 1561!
arguably the "first pornographic work in the Chinese language".this is a super misleading quote. It's cited to Stone, and while he did write it, he isn't (as our use of the quote suggests) arguing that RZ is the first pornographic work in Chinese; he is summarising the view of other commentators! His own view (p.17) is that RZ "has little in common with these definitions [of pornography]". Caeciliusinhorto ( talk) 20:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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The result was: promoted by
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15:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Created by Kingoflettuce ( talk). Self-nominated at 15:14, 15 June 2021 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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5224 characters - passes the threshold, all phrases cited, hook is VERY VERY interesting, the main source in here (Stone 2003) is offline and AGF. I had a good chuckle reading the first section. Regards,
Jeromi Mikhael
17:27, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Caeciliusinhorto ( talk · contribs) 18:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
I will review this article - initial comments shortly
Caeciliusinhorto (
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18:56, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
General comments:
a thirty-year-old virgin[19] who is rumoured to have "prodigious natural endowments" and is later conferred the title of "Ruyijun" or "Lord of Perfect Satisfaction" by Empress Wu Zetian after she summons him into her quarters to personally confirm said rumourentirely duplicates facts we already know from the prior section, with the exception of the fact that Xue is 30. I would suggest fitting that into the plot summary and cutting the rest, leaving something like:
Ruyijun zhuan chronicles Wu Zetian's rise to power, while detailing her numerous sexual encounters, especially with the male protagonist Xue Aocao. Apart from Xue, all of the empress' lovers depicted in Ruyijun zhuan are historical figures.
Ruyijun zhuan is forty-seven pages long: I don't think "pages" is super useful as an unqualified measure of length. Does this mean that the original manuscript is 47 pages, or the 1763 first printed edition, or some other edition, or the English translation? Even typesetting can make an enormous difference! Can you clarify what this refers to? (To take an example from my own speciality, translations of Sappho 16 run from half a page of the Loeb edition, to nearly two (rather larger!) pages in Carson's If Not, Winter)
This is a super interesting article. That's all I picked up on my first pass-through, but I'm going to want to dig into this one properly – more soon! Caeciliusinhorto ( talk) 20:07, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
The preface and postscript of the novella are dated 1514 and 1520 respectively, suggesting that the story itself was written sometime in betweenBut the source cited doesn't quite say this; it says that Liu Hui believes this, and that Charles Stone believes that the preface and postscript are dated to 1634 and 1760 respectively! This is a very substantial disagreement. Both H. Laura Wu (in Huang 2004, p.203) and Martin Huang (Huang 2020 p.115) report this disagreement without taking a side on it, which suggests to me that the matter isn't conclusively settled, and Wikipedia should not be reporting one possible date as fact.
Huang is also made what is believed to be the earliest known reference to Ruyijun zhuan in a three-page-long essay published between 1525 and 1540.Of the three sources cited for this claim, one of them explicitly contradicts it – Hanan dates the first reference to RZ to 1561!
arguably the "first pornographic work in the Chinese language".this is a super misleading quote. It's cited to Stone, and while he did write it, he isn't (as our use of the quote suggests) arguing that RZ is the first pornographic work in Chinese; he is summarising the view of other commentators! His own view (p.17) is that RZ "has little in common with these definitions [of pornography]". Caeciliusinhorto ( talk) 20:00, 3 October 2021 (UTC)