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It's extremely important to contextualise the latest paragraph about her accusing Corbyn & his supporters of antisemitism - she did so in the immediate aftermath of the results of the Chakrabarti inquiry coming in, which found unambiguously that THE LABOUR PARTY IS NOT OVERRUN WITH ANTISEMITISM. Her accusation of continued antisemitism came on the same day as an independent report found there to be no antisemitism issue within the party. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672022
86.176.108.171 ( talk) 20:50, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Not sure how this question might be received but I added http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/136201/newest-jewish-mp-ruth-smeeth-says-victory-was-bittersweet which says Smeeth identifies as 'culturally Jewish', and Googling this phrase doesn't seem to readily bring up clear reliable sources or definitions. Wikipedia itself seems to have a confusing mix of pages: Cultural Judaism (so Judaism not Jewish), Jewish secularism (separate from religion), Jewish atheism (not believing in deities). Jewish identity references Jewish culture. Who is a Jew? Talks about "Ethnic Jew is a term generally used to describe a person of Jewish parentage and background who does not necessarily actively practice Judaism". But I had the impression that's kinda what culturally Jewish means in the UK maybe? E.g. per http://www.thejc.com/business/business-features/robert-peston-the-bbc-reporter-who-means-business Eversync ( talk) 21:43, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
I removed this passage, ultimately drawn from a Wikileaks release, because it is trivial:
"The Daily Telegraph reported in February 2011 that Smeeth had been named in a 2009 US embassy communiqué as a source to "strictly protect", having reportedly divulged details of Prime Minister Gordon Brown's intentions around calling an election in late 2009. [1]
On its own, it is also misleading. From The Daily Telegraph source:
"Ms Smeeth said she thought the comments could have been made at a breakfast meeting she attended with a friend who worked at the US embassy. She said: 'I was hugely surprised to see my name in that [the cable]. I have no recollection of saying what has been attributed to me. I would not consider myself to be a source for the US government'."
It is really nothing more than gossip, although it might be found insinuating if one wanted to see it that way.
Philip Cross ( talk) 14:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Since it has been readded; importance is determined by coverage in reliable sources, not whether something feels important, or is "obviously" important. I could support maybe a short sentence somewhere in the career section, but the current version is way way too much. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 13:50, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
I added:
The Daily Telegraph reported in February 2011 that Smeeth had been named in a 2009 US embassy communiqué as a source to "strictly protect", having reportedly divulged details of Prime Minister Gordon Brown's intentions around calling an election in late 2009. [1] [2]
This was then removed with the edit line "really not clear what -- if any -- significance this had in Smeeth's career. Without such mention in a reliable independent source, seems undue." As the source stated "Ms Smeeth said she thought the comments could have been made at a breakfast meeting she attended with a friend who worked at the US embassy." ...it seems unquestionable that it the story was true. And The Daily Telegraph was WP:RS last time I checked. And proven significance in their career has never been a requirement for inclusion, anywhere, on en.wp, AFAIK, Huldra ( talk) 21:20, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
An editor has added a subheading 'antisemitic abuse' over the Wadsworth incident, perhaps coincidentally after comments on the Marc Wadsworth article about how this is apparently an accusation not a proven fact. The content of that subsection fails to reveal to readers the specific incident involving Kate McCann that Wadsworth was referring to. It quotes Lansman's negative judgment of Wadsworth's 'attack' but the source doesn't clarify whether that was on the basis of it being antisemitic (though the article is on that topic and notes Lansmann describes himself as an 'atheist jew'). WP:BLP states "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment. This policy applies to any living person mentioned in a BLP, whether or not that person is the subject of the article, and to material about living persons in other articles and on other pages, including talk pages" Eversync ( talk) 12:14, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Returning to the issue of the article omitting that Wadsworth was referring to a specific incident of McCann handing over a leaflet, I couldn't follow the response about an 'interpretation'. The point is simply to include the facts. Further, the article quotes Smeeth appearing to quote Wadsworth as saying 'media conspiracy', but he never did, so what was Smeeth quoting? (I gather the traditional antisemitic slur has been of Jews actually controlling/owning the media). On a related note, the article quotes a tabloid claiming Wadsworth didn't apologise, but he did: [1] First line of clip: "I'm sorry if Ruth felt any offense" (but clarifies that although she told him her name MP, he didn't know about her). Eversync ( talk) 07:14, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Please update the details in german artcile. 79.238.83.116 ( talk) 05:54, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
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It's extremely important to contextualise the latest paragraph about her accusing Corbyn & his supporters of antisemitism - she did so in the immediate aftermath of the results of the Chakrabarti inquiry coming in, which found unambiguously that THE LABOUR PARTY IS NOT OVERRUN WITH ANTISEMITISM. Her accusation of continued antisemitism came on the same day as an independent report found there to be no antisemitism issue within the party. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36672022
86.176.108.171 ( talk) 20:50, 2 July 2016 (UTC)
Not sure how this question might be received but I added http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/136201/newest-jewish-mp-ruth-smeeth-says-victory-was-bittersweet which says Smeeth identifies as 'culturally Jewish', and Googling this phrase doesn't seem to readily bring up clear reliable sources or definitions. Wikipedia itself seems to have a confusing mix of pages: Cultural Judaism (so Judaism not Jewish), Jewish secularism (separate from religion), Jewish atheism (not believing in deities). Jewish identity references Jewish culture. Who is a Jew? Talks about "Ethnic Jew is a term generally used to describe a person of Jewish parentage and background who does not necessarily actively practice Judaism". But I had the impression that's kinda what culturally Jewish means in the UK maybe? E.g. per http://www.thejc.com/business/business-features/robert-peston-the-bbc-reporter-who-means-business Eversync ( talk) 21:43, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
I removed this passage, ultimately drawn from a Wikileaks release, because it is trivial:
"The Daily Telegraph reported in February 2011 that Smeeth had been named in a 2009 US embassy communiqué as a source to "strictly protect", having reportedly divulged details of Prime Minister Gordon Brown's intentions around calling an election in late 2009. [1]
On its own, it is also misleading. From The Daily Telegraph source:
"Ms Smeeth said she thought the comments could have been made at a breakfast meeting she attended with a friend who worked at the US embassy. She said: 'I was hugely surprised to see my name in that [the cable]. I have no recollection of saying what has been attributed to me. I would not consider myself to be a source for the US government'."
It is really nothing more than gossip, although it might be found insinuating if one wanted to see it that way.
Philip Cross ( talk) 14:17, 20 September 2016 (UTC)
Since it has been readded; importance is determined by coverage in reliable sources, not whether something feels important, or is "obviously" important. I could support maybe a short sentence somewhere in the career section, but the current version is way way too much. Galobtter ( pingó mió) 13:50, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
I added:
The Daily Telegraph reported in February 2011 that Smeeth had been named in a 2009 US embassy communiqué as a source to "strictly protect", having reportedly divulged details of Prime Minister Gordon Brown's intentions around calling an election in late 2009. [1] [2]
This was then removed with the edit line "really not clear what -- if any -- significance this had in Smeeth's career. Without such mention in a reliable independent source, seems undue." As the source stated "Ms Smeeth said she thought the comments could have been made at a breakfast meeting she attended with a friend who worked at the US embassy." ...it seems unquestionable that it the story was true. And The Daily Telegraph was WP:RS last time I checked. And proven significance in their career has never been a requirement for inclusion, anywhere, on en.wp, AFAIK, Huldra ( talk) 21:20, 7 July 2019 (UTC)
An editor has added a subheading 'antisemitic abuse' over the Wadsworth incident, perhaps coincidentally after comments on the Marc Wadsworth article about how this is apparently an accusation not a proven fact. The content of that subsection fails to reveal to readers the specific incident involving Kate McCann that Wadsworth was referring to. It quotes Lansman's negative judgment of Wadsworth's 'attack' but the source doesn't clarify whether that was on the basis of it being antisemitic (though the article is on that topic and notes Lansmann describes himself as an 'atheist jew'). WP:BLP states "Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment. This policy applies to any living person mentioned in a BLP, whether or not that person is the subject of the article, and to material about living persons in other articles and on other pages, including talk pages" Eversync ( talk) 12:14, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
Returning to the issue of the article omitting that Wadsworth was referring to a specific incident of McCann handing over a leaflet, I couldn't follow the response about an 'interpretation'. The point is simply to include the facts. Further, the article quotes Smeeth appearing to quote Wadsworth as saying 'media conspiracy', but he never did, so what was Smeeth quoting? (I gather the traditional antisemitic slur has been of Jews actually controlling/owning the media). On a related note, the article quotes a tabloid claiming Wadsworth didn't apologise, but he did: [1] First line of clip: "I'm sorry if Ruth felt any offense" (but clarifies that although she told him her name MP, he didn't know about her). Eversync ( talk) 07:14, 21 November 2016 (UTC)
Please update the details in german artcile. 79.238.83.116 ( talk) 05:54, 8 October 2022 (UTC)