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The first line of the article puts her birth date on May 8th, while the biographic info in the box on the right says its August 5th.-- Spevo51 ( talk) 22:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spevo51 ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
This is a topic which is in the news as of today (May 26 2009), due to her resignation. It has been covered on news broadcasts today on Radio 4, and is being covered on the BBC website. So, should it have the tag that states that an item is in the news heading the page? ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 19:50, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
An IP editor insists (in the edit history for the main page) that material from high-quality news organizations cannot be used without the addition of "it is said that". I had inserted a number of widely reported statements, inserting in each case a source reference, but this editor writes vaguely in justification of his/her edits "WP:BLP applies here" or "the papers saying so is not enough". The points to which this editor applies the qualification are all non-controversial and accepted by the subject of the article. I wonder whether we can reach agreement that these edits should be reverted. A further cause for concern is that this editor's IP address indicates that he/she is editing from Oriel College, Oxford, where a number of those who nominated Padel for the position of Professor of Poetry are based: see http://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/councilsec/gov/padelfly.pdf . This suggests that this editor is personally involved in this story and consequently not impartial. Uthor ( talk) 21:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
this, this, and this, which is not fixed here either are all examples of not being carefull enough with the language, merely sticking a cite on the end is not enough, you seem to think it is, it isn't. In this thread you said "cause for concern is that this editor's IP address indicates that he/she is editing from Oriel College, Oxford, where a number of those who nominated Padel for the position of Professor of Poetry are based" = this ip is from Oriel, Oriel's support for Padel was substantial, therefore ip is a A) Padel supporter and B) will have a biased view with respect to this article, whether or not you meant it that way, that is how it comes across - you say yourself "This suggests that this editor is personally involved in this story and consequently not impartial" - I do not, and have not had, any connection whatsoever in the appointment of Padel in any way whatsoever - debating that I might be influenced somehow by the fact that I might know some of the people who were involved in some (or indeed any) way is highly offensive to me, a reasonable person might be able to see that and offer some form of apology. Sheesh you even up the stakes again - "personal involvement with people who played a major role in the affair" [emphasis added] - I do not, and have not had, any connection whatsoever in the appointment of Padel in any way whatsoever - the first I heard that there was a view that Oriel had anything to do with her appointment was your posting that link above.-- 163.1.147.64 ( talk) 12:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
The large amount of signal-to-noise ratio on this page would suggest that wikilawyering is occurring, that time and energy would have been better spent fixing the substandard use of "Reliable sources". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.129.225 ( talk) 15:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
In 2009, Nobel Prize laureate Derek Walcott, a leading candidate for the position of Oxford Professor of Poetry, withdrew his candidacy after an article in the Sunday Times stated that pages discussing cases of alleged sexual harassment laid against him in US campusses had been sent to a number of Oxford academics. The University subsequently elected Padel. Padel resigned when newspapers, printing an email in which she had acknowledged that some voters at Oxford were uneasy about this record of harassment allegations, alleged this as evidence that Padel was involved in activities against Walcott. Press handling of the affair was criticized in letters of support for both poets to papers including The Times, the Times Literary Supplement and the Guardian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.36.109.186 ( talk) 17:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
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The first line of the article puts her birth date on May 8th, while the biographic info in the box on the right says its August 5th.-- Spevo51 ( talk) 22:15, 17 May 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spevo51 ( talk • contribs) 19:54, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
This is a topic which is in the news as of today (May 26 2009), due to her resignation. It has been covered on news broadcasts today on Radio 4, and is being covered on the BBC website. So, should it have the tag that states that an item is in the news heading the page? ACEOREVIVED ( talk) 19:50, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
An IP editor insists (in the edit history for the main page) that material from high-quality news organizations cannot be used without the addition of "it is said that". I had inserted a number of widely reported statements, inserting in each case a source reference, but this editor writes vaguely in justification of his/her edits "WP:BLP applies here" or "the papers saying so is not enough". The points to which this editor applies the qualification are all non-controversial and accepted by the subject of the article. I wonder whether we can reach agreement that these edits should be reverted. A further cause for concern is that this editor's IP address indicates that he/she is editing from Oriel College, Oxford, where a number of those who nominated Padel for the position of Professor of Poetry are based: see http://www.admin.ox.ac.uk/councilsec/gov/padelfly.pdf . This suggests that this editor is personally involved in this story and consequently not impartial. Uthor ( talk) 21:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
this, this, and this, which is not fixed here either are all examples of not being carefull enough with the language, merely sticking a cite on the end is not enough, you seem to think it is, it isn't. In this thread you said "cause for concern is that this editor's IP address indicates that he/she is editing from Oriel College, Oxford, where a number of those who nominated Padel for the position of Professor of Poetry are based" = this ip is from Oriel, Oriel's support for Padel was substantial, therefore ip is a A) Padel supporter and B) will have a biased view with respect to this article, whether or not you meant it that way, that is how it comes across - you say yourself "This suggests that this editor is personally involved in this story and consequently not impartial" - I do not, and have not had, any connection whatsoever in the appointment of Padel in any way whatsoever - debating that I might be influenced somehow by the fact that I might know some of the people who were involved in some (or indeed any) way is highly offensive to me, a reasonable person might be able to see that and offer some form of apology. Sheesh you even up the stakes again - "personal involvement with people who played a major role in the affair" [emphasis added] - I do not, and have not had, any connection whatsoever in the appointment of Padel in any way whatsoever - the first I heard that there was a view that Oriel had anything to do with her appointment was your posting that link above.-- 163.1.147.64 ( talk) 12:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
The large amount of signal-to-noise ratio on this page would suggest that wikilawyering is occurring, that time and energy would have been better spent fixing the substandard use of "Reliable sources". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.8.129.225 ( talk) 15:37, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
In 2009, Nobel Prize laureate Derek Walcott, a leading candidate for the position of Oxford Professor of Poetry, withdrew his candidacy after an article in the Sunday Times stated that pages discussing cases of alleged sexual harassment laid against him in US campusses had been sent to a number of Oxford academics. The University subsequently elected Padel. Padel resigned when newspapers, printing an email in which she had acknowledged that some voters at Oxford were uneasy about this record of harassment allegations, alleged this as evidence that Padel was involved in activities against Walcott. Press handling of the affair was criticized in letters of support for both poets to papers including The Times, the Times Literary Supplement and the Guardian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.36.109.186 ( talk) 17:41, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
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For those unfamiliar, per WP:CITELEAD, the lead of an article doesn't need references. This article however had a whopping 28. I've copy-pasted them here. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 21:46, 17 December 2022 (UTC)
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