This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152) article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152) has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | ||||||||||
| ||||||||||
A news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the " In the news" column on November 10, 2008. |
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
It is requested that a map or maps be
included in this article to
improve its quality. Wikipedians in India or Russia may be able to help! |
The article is a stub and needs expansion-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 10:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Please note that this submarine in press is classed as Akula-II class, not Akula-I —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.161.86.39 ( talk) 08:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
"This military documents a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.90.132.193 ( talk) 09:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Is the NATO reporting name necessary in lead sentence? The reason given for adding the NATO reporting name, [1] "NATO names are, frankly, much better known" is incorrect, it may be better known in NATO countries, but there are countries outside NATO. The name can be mentioned later, but it is pro-NATO bias to mention it in lead. It is not Natopedia. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 14:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
While the number of casualties and injuries is important to this article and needs to be included, including it in an infobox is distasteful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OlYeller21 ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Is India still interested in this submarine? There should be a note on its status. -- 128.211.201.161 ( talk) 17:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
From the Wiki page for Freon " It is one of a class of chemicals called Haloalkanes". I will guess then mean Halon. Halon is also a firefighting agent, and a CFC, which based on its being a CFC is being phased out in the US Navy. Halon dis not displace oxygen; and potentiaolly safe to enter a space where halon had been discharged. Halon, however would break down from high heating, and one by-product was a toxic gas, maybe a nerve agent. Halon might put a fire out but provided No protection to prevent the fire from restarting/reflash. Wfoj2 ( talk) 02:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Halon gas does suppress fires by displacing oxygen (it's heavier than air) and it is not a CFC. CFC stands for Chloro Flouro Carbon. Halon is Bromine based. They share similar properties, but are different gasses. It's kind of like confusing Oxygen with Hydrogen. Both are volitle, but only one of them we can breathe. [The above unsigned comment from User:Sundive
I feel that the term "gas mask" is not correct. I think that a brething device like a SCBA would be used. A Gas mask would be worthless in this case, as it is unable to supply oxygen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.130.205.46 ( talk) 05:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Per the good article review, I have moved content related to the 2008 accident to a daughter article to avoid problems with undue weight, leaving a summary in this article. The content is clearly linked from the relevant section of the article, Wikipedia:Summary style. Jehochman Talk 02:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
What do we do with the article name when the ship is renamed by India? Jehochman Talk 12:50, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
That's a tough one to say because India hasn't purchased the Submarine.It just leased it.But I too think that it can be renamed to INS Chakra. Srikar Kashyap ( talk) 11:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
An image used in this article,
File:Akula class submarine.JPG, has been nominated for deletion at
Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests January 2012
Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.
This notification is provided by a Bot -- CommonsNotificationBot ( talk) 13:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC) |
The submarine is no longer "K-152 Nerpa" I propose all K-152 Nerpa terms to be replaced with INS Chakra except in places where the accident is mentioned — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.215.19 ( talk) 17:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 23:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152) → INS Chakra – I have previously(1 year ago) opposed the idea of renaming the article but after giving it a thought, I feel it makes sense to move the article. The boat will stay with India for 10 yrs which is quite a long amount of time and India will most probably buy it off after ten years. If India doesn't buy the sub then, we could rename it back to Nerpa in 2022 . For now, I would like you all to consider the rename request. Cheers, Relisted. BDD ( talk) 22:43, 26 December 2013 (UTC) ƬheStrike Σagle sorties 16:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152) → INS Chakra – I oppose the idea of renaming the article but it also needs to have an interactive reference to any article labeled INS Chakra. The submarine will stay with India for 10 yrs which, while quite a long amount of time, still does not make it belong to India. At the conclusion of the 10-year lease the lease may be extended or the submarine returned to Russia. It cannot be sold to India.
Chakra is "Akula-I Improved" and not Akula-II, there is only one Akula-II ever built that is "K-157 Vepr". It is correct to refer to it as "Project 971-I" a subdivision of "Project 971". Do not refer to it as Akula-II class. This is a wide misconception. standardengineer ( talk) 13:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I have contacted an expert and will write back with a reputed cite. standardengineer ( talk) 14:16, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Submarines of the Soviet and Russian Navies, 1945-1991 Vol. III by Yuri Apalkov, says explicitly that Nerpa/Chakra is an Akula I Improved Pr. 971I hull. standardengineer ( talk) 14:43, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152). Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 23:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152) article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152) has been listed as one of the Warfare good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it. | ||||||||||
| ||||||||||
A news item involving this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the " In the news" column on November 10, 2008. |
This article is rated GA-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
It is requested that a map or maps be
included in this article to
improve its quality. Wikipedians in India or Russia may be able to help! |
The article is a stub and needs expansion-- TheFEARgod ( Ч) 10:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Please note that this submarine in press is classed as Akula-II class, not Akula-I —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.161.86.39 ( talk) 08:23, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
"This military documents a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.90.132.193 ( talk) 09:21, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Is the NATO reporting name necessary in lead sentence? The reason given for adding the NATO reporting name, [1] "NATO names are, frankly, much better known" is incorrect, it may be better known in NATO countries, but there are countries outside NATO. The name can be mentioned later, but it is pro-NATO bias to mention it in lead. It is not Natopedia. Otolemur crassicaudatus ( talk) 14:05, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
While the number of casualties and injuries is important to this article and needs to be included, including it in an infobox is distasteful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OlYeller21 ( talk • contribs) 17:49, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
Is India still interested in this submarine? There should be a note on its status. -- 128.211.201.161 ( talk) 17:51, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
From the Wiki page for Freon " It is one of a class of chemicals called Haloalkanes". I will guess then mean Halon. Halon is also a firefighting agent, and a CFC, which based on its being a CFC is being phased out in the US Navy. Halon dis not displace oxygen; and potentiaolly safe to enter a space where halon had been discharged. Halon, however would break down from high heating, and one by-product was a toxic gas, maybe a nerve agent. Halon might put a fire out but provided No protection to prevent the fire from restarting/reflash. Wfoj2 ( talk) 02:43, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
Halon gas does suppress fires by displacing oxygen (it's heavier than air) and it is not a CFC. CFC stands for Chloro Flouro Carbon. Halon is Bromine based. They share similar properties, but are different gasses. It's kind of like confusing Oxygen with Hydrogen. Both are volitle, but only one of them we can breathe. [The above unsigned comment from User:Sundive
I feel that the term "gas mask" is not correct. I think that a brething device like a SCBA would be used. A Gas mask would be worthless in this case, as it is unable to supply oxygen. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.130.205.46 ( talk) 05:41, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Per the good article review, I have moved content related to the 2008 accident to a daughter article to avoid problems with undue weight, leaving a summary in this article. The content is clearly linked from the relevant section of the article, Wikipedia:Summary style. Jehochman Talk 02:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
What do we do with the article name when the ship is renamed by India? Jehochman Talk 12:50, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
That's a tough one to say because India hasn't purchased the Submarine.It just leased it.But I too think that it can be renamed to INS Chakra. Srikar Kashyap ( talk) 11:53, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
An image used in this article,
File:Akula class submarine.JPG, has been nominated for deletion at
Wikimedia Commons in the following category: Deletion requests January 2012
Don't panic; a discussion will now take place over on Commons about whether to remove the file. This gives you an opportunity to contest the deletion, although please review Commons guidelines before doing so.
This notification is provided by a Bot -- CommonsNotificationBot ( talk) 13:59, 10 January 2012 (UTC) |
The submarine is no longer "K-152 Nerpa" I propose all K-152 Nerpa terms to be replaced with INS Chakra except in places where the accident is mentioned — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.161.215.19 ( talk) 17:17, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was no consensus. -- BDD ( talk) 23:53, 8 January 2014 (UTC)
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152) → INS Chakra – I have previously(1 year ago) opposed the idea of renaming the article but after giving it a thought, I feel it makes sense to move the article. The boat will stay with India for 10 yrs which is quite a long amount of time and India will most probably buy it off after ten years. If India doesn't buy the sub then, we could rename it back to Nerpa in 2022 . For now, I would like you all to consider the rename request. Cheers, Relisted. BDD ( talk) 22:43, 26 December 2013 (UTC) ƬheStrike Σagle sorties 16:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152) → INS Chakra – I oppose the idea of renaming the article but it also needs to have an interactive reference to any article labeled INS Chakra. The submarine will stay with India for 10 yrs which, while quite a long amount of time, still does not make it belong to India. At the conclusion of the 10-year lease the lease may be extended or the submarine returned to Russia. It cannot be sold to India.
Chakra is "Akula-I Improved" and not Akula-II, there is only one Akula-II ever built that is "K-157 Vepr". It is correct to refer to it as "Project 971-I" a subdivision of "Project 971". Do not refer to it as Akula-II class. This is a wide misconception. standardengineer ( talk) 13:35, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
I have contacted an expert and will write back with a reputed cite. standardengineer ( talk) 14:16, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Submarines of the Soviet and Russian Navies, 1945-1991 Vol. III by Yuri Apalkov, says explicitly that Nerpa/Chakra is an Akula I Improved Pr. 971I hull. standardengineer ( talk) 14:43, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to one external link on
Russian submarine Nerpa (K-152). Please take a moment to review
my edit. If necessary, add {{
cbignore}}
after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add {{
nobots|deny=InternetArchiveBot}}
to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
When you have finished reviewing my changes, please set the checked parameter below to true to let others know.
This message was posted before February 2018.
After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than
regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors
have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the
RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{
source check}}
(last update: 5 June 2024).
Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 23:31, 25 January 2016 (UTC)