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Update infobox to include statistics mentioned in this analysis based on open source visual evidence. Perathian ( talk) 18:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I am concerned about the map. It shows a bunch of red arrows for Russian attacks, but nothing for Ukrainian resistance. Furthermore, Describing Kyiv as "contested" makes sense in a way, but sources say the city is under Ukrainian control. Adoring nanny ( talk) 18:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Melitopol fell to Russian forces and currently, the map shows it under Ukrainian forces ( Battle of Melitopol) & there needs to be an airstrike marker put in Russia for the Millerovo air base attack which was confirmed to have at least destroyed one plane (more not verified yet, but one was). Elijahandskip ( talk) 01:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
... needs citation, as well as timestamps on the individual frames. The frames needs to be properly aligned with one another, so they don't jump around, and slowed down for better viewing.
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Please update the infobox, Ukraine said a Russian platoon surrendered. https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-ambassador-says-russian-platoon-201138508.html BlackShadowG ( talk) 09:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Not done: Until mentioned in a more definite way (currently the claim is solely attributed to the ukrainian ambassador), and covered in a variety of reliable sources I wouldn't say it's met the threshold for verifiability.
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Already done -- Both of the sources named here are dated 24 Feb and refer to surrender of the 74th Motorized Rifle Brigade only. This information is already included and referenced in the article under the subheading "24 February". Additionally the infobox contains a Ukrainian claim of "200 captured" with a citation dated two days later than these sources. In light of these observations I'm marking this request as already complete. Thank you for the request. Please clarify your concern with more details if you need to re-open. --
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@ Laurel Lodged: I restored because it seems you mistook what I wrote in my edit summary as an actual quote by Putin. Anyway, I think the casus belli is not so clear cut and needs to be discussed first. Thanks. Mellk ( talk) 10:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Also, I think "to provide a casus belli" is OR. Mellk ( talk) 10:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Russian web magazine "The Village" reports that Russian citizens signs the petition demanding impeachment of President Putin on his decision to invade Ukraine. [1] At the moment, more than 130,000 people have signed this petition. Shall we add it to the article? K8M8S8 ( talk) 13:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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At Russo-Ukrainian War, which is receiving far less editorial attention than this page. Jr8825 • Talk 13:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Now grown to 335,369 bytes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Please, with a so long text could not found this theme. Regards. -- 90.186.219.179 ( talk) 15:20, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I think this well covered allegation+rejection should be covered at 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Foreign military support to Ukraine. Thoughts? Srijanx22 ( talk) 15:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Da Vinci Nanjing: Because of an edit conflict, a lot of additions were undone for... the sake of one sentence? Mellk ( talk) 15:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
1 Algerian citizen died today in Kharkiv 105.99.14.177 ( talk) 18:09, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I've added it in, but the only source that I can find is the one below. https://news-tunisia.tunisienumerique.com/ukraine-death-of-an-algerian-student-by-a-missile-attack/amp/ Sir Magnus has spoken! ( So can you!) 23:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone, there are many reports in the press about Russian ATMs being out of cash, long lines at banks, interest rates going up and so forth. I wonder if we need a new article called '2022 Russian economic crash' or 'crisis' or something like it? Victor Grigas ( talk) 18:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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In the last 24 hours there have been developments regarding peace talks, from the Russian suggestion in Belarus (which was initially refused) to the acceptance of the peace talk proposal later in the day in the Belarusian border. News I read regarding this (in no particular order). I think this deserves its own section.
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/02/27/7326404/ (google translate)
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-rejects-russian-offer-talks-belarus-2022-02-27/
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https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraines-leader-country-ready-peace-talks-russia-belarus-83139629
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https://www.eunews24.com/world/ukraine-president-welcomes-peace-talks-proposals-in-video-message/
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https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h13f1xtxc (not sure whether this source is reliable)
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https://www.axios.com/ukraine-russian-invasion-talks-bedd8c3a-efc7-4549-92fe-b360e0655b5d.html
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/27/ukraine-and-russia-to-meet-for-peace-talks-without-preconditions-zelensky-says/
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/russian-banks-excluded-from-swift-what-we-know-so-far (Mentions peace talk only one paragraph)
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-zelenskyy-russia-crisis-putin-peace-talks-b2024252.html
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https://www.itv.com/news/2022-02-27/ukraine-claims-control-of-kharkiv-and-confirms-talks-with-russia-will-go-ahead
Cheers-- FeliciaKrismanta ( talk) 18:23, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
As per the latest news, there are more than 16,000 Indian people who are stuck in Ukraine are majorly students. And an evacuation of Indians has been started under operation Ganga. And Several Indian students fleeing Ukraine have alleged that they were harassed, beaten by the Ukrainian guards at the Poland border, and were not allowed to cross over and many Africans have been also stopped to cross the border. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/stopped-assaulted-at-ukraine-border-say-some-indian-students-2793334 Thecybergulf ( talk) 18:26, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I think there should be a section under "Reactions" for the responses from Latin American countries up to this point. I believe this is relevant and of general interest. The region may be perceived as somewhat removed from the conflict but in my opinion should not be omitted completely. A sentence or two dedicated to known responses per country would likely suffice at this moment (I would do this myself but do not qualify).
As a brief overview, many countries have so far condemned the attack, others have refrained from direct condemnation while calling for diplomacy, while Cuba and Venezuela have blamed NATO and seem to align with Russia to an extent. Brazil has shown signs of internal conflict, with the Vice President condemning the attack then later being scolded for speaking out of turn by president Jair Bolsonaro.
Here is an article that can be used as a source which lists some countries & their responses in a similar way to what I think would be appropriate on this page - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/latin-american-countries-call-russian-withdrawal-ukraine-rcna17685 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CulturaVore ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
At least in Chile was in the news that the OEA (Organized Estates of America) make a declaration condemning the invasion but was not signed by Argentina and Brazil (even in the map those countries are marked blue) Argentina has interest on sputnik laboratories an vaccines and I dont know about brazil.. Its always interesting see the latin american context when the influences USA/Russia always has been in encounter.
I propose adding the Anti-War protestors in Russia who have been arrested to the casualty section. I realize that on the face of it this may seem kind of a strange request but I would point two factors, A: a large number of Russians have been arrested in Russia in protests spanning the country, OVD-info estimates 5,000 over the past four days alone. B: As for arrest being a "casualty" I would point out that we do consider prisoners to be casualties and they are currently listed. They are prisoners of war, however there are reports in the CNN and other sources of riot police savaging protestors and inflicting corporal punishment before they are arrested and become prisoners. I think that this would furthermore highlight that this conflict isn't so black and white as to be Russia vs. Ukraine but a more multi-faceted situation. Anyhow I wanted to see what other editors think, and if this could be something that you all think could improve the article. Alcibiades979 ( talk) 18:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
The Russian invasion has thus far made the most progress in taking over the southern part of Ukraine (on and near the Black Sea coast), while Russian forces are typically facing much heavier and more effective Ukrainian resistance in the rest of the Ukraine. Ukraine's economy, which relies heavily on access to the Black Sea, would be crippled indefinitely if Russia takes over Ukraine's entire Black Sea coastline before any potential ceasefire goes into effect. There's plenty of news coverage on the rapidly developing situation in Mariupol, Melitopol, Berdiansk, Kherson, and Mykolaiv, and Russia is currently increasing its focus on taking over Odessa to try to complete it's choke-hold on Ukraine's south. There's sufficient news coverage of the unfolding events in the south as well as their larger implications, but this wiki is still woefully limited in covering that aspect of the invasion. Unfortunately, I don't have time to update the article myself, but thoughts on this are welcome. HKT Talk 18:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Does Taiwan really produce 92% of the global supply as stated under /info/en/?search=2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Other_countries_and_international_organisations? That seems a bit much. 2A00:FB8:6593:A400:F84A:107E:9E93:95EE ( talk) 19:03, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi, it seems that the map on this page is different from the maps on /info/en/?search=2021%E2%80%932022_Russo-Ukrainian_crisis and /info/en/?search=Russo-Ukrainian_War. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.225.28.195 ( talk) 19:20, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
here is a site with up-to-date information about the losses of Russian manpower:
https://200rf.com/
Translate info:
At the moment, 4312 people have been killed. Of these, 1169 people cannot be identified. In captivity 768 people. --
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The reference after Portugal in the 'Foreign military support to Ukraine' section is inconsistent and should be moved to after the comma. EloquentMosquito ( talk) 11:00, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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On February 28th South Korea announced it will participate in the SWIFT ban againt Russia, as well as announcing an export ban on stragetic materials covered by the "Big 4" treaties to which Korea belongs— the Nuclear Suppliers Group, the Wassenaar Arrangement, the Australia Group, and the Missile Technology Control Regime. In addition, 57 non-strategic materials including semiconductors, IT equipment, sensors, lasers, maritime equipment, aerospace equipment are planned to be included in the export ban "soon" ("조속히 확정할 예정"). [1] 222.99.95.163 ( talk) 12:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove the statement at the beginning: "It is the largest conventional warfare operation in Europe since World War II.[37]" This is obviously false seeing as this conflict is at this stage nowhere near the scale of the War in Yugoslavia. 41.17.205.65 ( talk) 18:37, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
No one should forget who was involved. Sanctions might be appropriate...
Chechnya and President Kadyrow is Belligerents too since invasion ! (with 10.000 units under Chechnya and Russia flag ...)
PLEASE ADD (I do not have the right to edit the articel)
I added it in the german articles... https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russischer_%C3%9Cberfall_auf_die_Ukraine_2022 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krieg_in_der_Ukraine_seit_2014 -- TwentyEighteen ( talk) 22:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok but it is an atonomous republik of russia. But one thing is sure: Kadyrow is a leader and commander of a part of the invaders ! So he needs to be added imo! .-- TwentyEighteen ( talk) 00:18, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Under section "Media depictions" and subsection "Censorship and propaganda", two errors need attention.
"Many Chinese users of the social-media platform Weibo pushed pro-Russian sentiments and statements with a translation of Putins 24 February speech going viral and the connected hastag receiving 1.1 billion views in 24-hours. Other users have pointed the conflicts blame at the United States, comments that were echoed by the state broadcaster China Central Television."
An apostrophe is needed in "Putins", and "hastag" should be "hashtag".
Thank you!
-- Blank2nowhere ( talk) 22:47, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
This article's second sentence says the invasion "is the largest conventional military attack on European soil since World War II" and properly cites a reliable source (ABC News). But is that correct? Roughly 180,000 Russian troops have been mustered at the Ukrainian border, not all of whom have yet entered the country. Compare this to the roughly 500,000 Warsaw Pact troops that invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968. I suggest we find a more definitive exploration of this alleged fact before we give it such prominence. PRRfan ( talk) 03:41, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
"the biggest assault on a European state since World War Two"[3]. Reuters tends to be the gold-standard for factual reporting. Jr8825 • Talk 06:23, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
"the biggest assault on a European state since World War Two"is not the same as "the largest conventional military attack on European soil since WWII". What does a conventional attack mean anyway? Presumably not the Yugoslav Wars, which were long, nasty and murderous and involved many people, but were not "conventional" nor "assaults on a European state" (ie from an external power). I certainly agree that the claim lacks context and probably doesn't deserve this level of prominence. Pincrete ( talk) 00:20, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ups-fedex-halting-shipments-russia-ukraine-2022-02-27/ Victor Grigas ( talk) 01:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Ukrinform is state media of the Ukrainian government. I don't see it on WP:RSPS as either reliable or not. Is there any consensus on it? Personally think it's quite important to be sure as there are articles by them being used as sources in war articles. 24.44.73.34 ( talk) 21:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
That's my intended point. If we can't use RT how can we use the state media of any side of this conflict? 24.44.73.34 ( talk) 22:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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The following information:
Following its intervention in protests against the government earlier in 2022, Moscow requested that Kazakhstan send troops to assist in the offensive, but Kazakhstan refused, reiterating that it does not recognize the Donetsk and Luhansk separatists.
Is false. Please remove this completely. Ministry of Defence of Kazakhstan commented to Stopfake.kz, among other things:
'The request to send Kazakh military personnel to Ukraine or any other country has not been received and is therefore not being considered' [1]
Credibility note: Stopfake.kz is a counter disinformation agency backed by the Ministry of Information and Social Development of the Republic of Kazakhstan. It is used mainly to combat the spread of fakes, such as the one written in this article and published on NBC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fl7wless ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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The background mostly covers political issues, totally dismissing economic/resource disputes such as the major Ukrainian War#Russia–Ukraine gas disputes, Russia–Ukraine gas disputes. This conflicts with WP:NPOV. CreateAccou4343nt555 ( talk) 04:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Neither a tank nor it was Russian, likely Ukranian 9k35 Strela-10 with inexperienced driver that lost control on road curve, probably due to low tractioin of steel tracks on asphalt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1713:EA78:ACC1:79AD:4E91:56D0:2F00 ( talk) 17:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q Makes absolutely no sense for Russia to spearhead with a close air defence vehicle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1713:EA78:ACC1:79AD:4E91:56D0:2F00 ( talk) 17:45, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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We can confirm that this is an Unmarked Strela-10 Armored Vehicle, but multiple sources conflict the vehicle’s nationality. Regarding the 2 videos we have here:
- https://vidmax.com/video/211138-wild-video-shows-russian-soldiers-get-ambushed-in-a-parking-lot-in-kyiv-all-3-killed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q
I believe we should consider this as disputed until we receive confirmation from either party. MateoFrayo ( talk) 22:46, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Unsure why this shouldn't unequivocally be listed as an "armored vehicle" - that's what some of the articles are calling it and there's no denying that's what it is. 李艾连 ( talk) 04:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Can you add the territorial changes to the infobox? Russia has controlled several towns besides portions of Donetsk/Luhansk and Crimea. 184.146.39.97 ( talk) 03:16, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
It is being reported that Spain is sending tons of supplies to the Ukraine. I'm not entirely sure where this might go in the article, but it may be worth noting. Source here. --Surv1v4l1st ╠ Talk║ Contribs╣ 21:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Spillover of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spillover of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. ― Tartan357 Talk 06:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
How's about to display the structure of troops, involved in the war, in infobox? For example:
Ukraine
Russia
Belarus
In the future, we can specify a troops composition and strength. K8M8S8 ( talk) 10:02, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hey! I cannot edit this myself, as I'm not an extended rights user. Someone should add this for the sake of objectivity and bilateral understanding of the arguments and allegations. Denazification isn't only a matter of anti-Semitism. In Ukraine in WW2 there were in fact Ukrainians aligning with Germans to oppose Russians, whom (in addition to Jews) the Germans wanted to genocide. Putin's claim of “denazification” doesn't have much support. However, I believe the aforementioned is what he meant and that's how it should be understood. It's a stretch, sure. But still. A lot of readers don't realize that Nazism included persecution towards more than Jewish people. Namely towards e.g. Russians. To converse, understand all sides first. Peace. ToniTurunen ( talk) 07:29, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Casualties As Reported By Ukraine* Russia /Pro Russian Forces: ~ 5300 As Of 2/28/2022 Ukraine: ~ 500 As Of 2/28/2022
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Add another section in 'Ramifications' or create another point altogether discussing 'Racism faced by Non-Ukrainians from the Ukrainian Military'.
EDIT: Non-Ukrainian students trying to escape war-hit Ukraine have alleged that there is racial discrimination among evacuees trying to leave the country via neighboring countries. Journalist Stephanie Hegarty of BBC published a series of tweets explaining the ordeal of the students. She said that a Nigerian medical student told her that while she was waiting to cross the border, the Ukrainian soldiers did not allow black people to cross and sent them back. She said, “They have to let ‘Ukrainians’ through first”. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] MindOfOm ( talk) 07:33, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hundreds of volunteers from the Romanian Siret customs made a support corridor for refugees from Ukraine, including food and drink. Romanian officials have also set up dozens of refugee tents.
[1] Alexmmmm ( talk) 09:14, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine → Russian invasion of Ukraine – clear Primary topic. Jishiboka1 ( talk) 09:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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This Wikisource page should be added to the page, either in External Links or in the part about Putin's announcement on the "special military operation".
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At the bottom of the overview, under "Casualties and losses", on civilian causalties it says "Per UN: 406+ civilians killed[29]". This is incorrect according to the cited source. The cited source says 406+ civilian causalties, meaning injuries + deaths, of which 102 are deaths. This is clearly stated in the cited article: "There have been at least 406 civilian casualties in Ukraine since Thursday, according to the U.N.’s Human Rights Office....Michelle Bachelet, U.N. Commissioner for Human Rights, said the U.N. had recorded 102 civilian deaths..." 178.255.168.175 ( talk) 23:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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In foreign military support, where it is talked about supplying aircraft to Ukraine, Bulgaria is supposed to have Su-25s not Slovakia KeplerBruv ( talk) 20:35, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Section 7.1 header "Censorship and propeganda" should be changed to "Censorship and propaganda". Propaganda is misspelled. 128.239.237.162 ( talk) 21:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Since the EU and NATO are officially sending weapons to Ukraine, shouldn't they be listed as supporting Ukraine?- Karma1998 ( talk) 16:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
There should be a correction to where it reads "A 60-km-long convoy of Russian tanks was reported to be heading down on Kyiv."
The source states that the road they are on is 60km long, not that the column itself is that long.
Additionally the source says that it is an armored column, an armored column doesn't necessarily mean just tanks it can also include APCs and other mechanized armored units. 184.155.9.83 ( talk) 09:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The first sentence in the second paragraph under Sanctions under Ramifications refers to a 'Prime Minister Johnson'; Can we change this to 'UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson' like when referring to 'US President Joe Biden' in the previous paragraph and provide an internal link to the Wikipedia article for Prime Minister Boris Johnson? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanos100 ( talk • contribs) 01:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Add Australia to list of arms suppliers for Ukraine in infobox https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/scott-morrison-russia-ukraine-war-weapons-lethal-aid/100871304 MrAustin390 ( talk) 11:23, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Change the See also link under the section "Foreign military support to Ukraine" from "List of foreign aid during the Russo-Ukrainian War" to "List of foreign aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War". This would avoid a redirect. Curiocity1 ( talk) 14:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Belarus is neither 'outside Russia' nor 'in Russia'. Xx236 ( talk) 11:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
It's now Tuesday so predicting what will happen on Monday is unnecessary.
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While there are intelligence sources in the West stating they've picked up intel about Belarus possibly entering the fray by Monday, I suggest we wait on reporting this. Wiki's not a newspaper, and while I suspect this will happen, restraint before adding these reports to the article would be prudent. 50.111.36.47 ( talk) 08:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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I wanted to add Mexico to the list of countries where pro-Ukraine protests have occurred (with this citation https://politica.expansion.mx/mexico/2022/02/26/fuera-putin-de-ucrania-piden-ucranianos-en-la-embajada-de-rusia-en-la-cdmx). But I am not able to edit the page. I do have more than 500 edits and have been an editor for a very long time, so I expected I should be able to edit. Does someone know why this is? Thank you very much.-- Homo logos ( talk) 06:28, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html Xx236 ( talk) 08:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC) 'There will be no Ukraine as anti-Russia.' Xx236 ( talk) 08:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
For compliance with Wikipedia:Verifiability we should probably try to reduce our reliance on live sources and fix refs that no longer support text because the items on the live feed have changed. Easier after the events cool down, yes, but interest in the article will diminish too and with 580 refs (and counting), the effort would be too great for a few people to handle. It would also be nice if we could replace many disparate refs with a single ref that discusses multiple things, to generally get our # of refs lower. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 11:52, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Go to
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Talk:Battle of Antonov Airport. Closing to declutter talk.
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Congratulations! Please add a page about the Ukrainian Dream to this article.-- Максим Огородник ( talk) 12:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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As the conflict continues, it is obviously unsustainable to have sections for each day of the conflict. I was thinking that it could be condensed into months, but at what point should this occur? Alextheconservative ( talk) 12:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
The Greeks who killed were not foreign citizens, they were Ukrainian citizens belonging to the Greek minority. Gre regiment ( talk) 12:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Someone started 2022 Russian financial crisis. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
MOS:INFOBOXFLAG is clear.
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Is it necessary to repeat the same flag icon over and over in the info box? Seems a bit of an eyesore. Govvy ( talk) 13:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Is it difficult to make sections collapsible? I would love to not need to scroll through the background section every time I refresh the page to see the updated daily summaries. 64.85.244.29 ( talk) 16:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Having seen the excellent coverage here, and separately - by chance - the Kherson offensive Wikipedia page, which actually seems to cover the whole South Eastern region: Maybe you already have such specific invasion links buried someplace on the page, but surely they should be clearer, near the top. For example, where you now have old historic links, which while of interest are surely of less immediate relevance. So the sub- invasion page links could surely go above them, or the historic ones could be shifted to a less prominent location. Also worth remembering the different Wikipedia phone and desktop views, in this and other respects. Thank you again for the good coverage, especially as I assume it's mostly by volunteers without pay. 188.65.190.67 ( talk) 16:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
I am unable to edit previous suggestion: There is a Related Articles section at the bottom here but it does not list the Kherson Offensive (and maybe others, perhaps Kharkiv if not listed...) /info/en/?search=Kherson_offensive Also as said would be better if those links were near the top someplace. Many using phones possibly do not see them, (as I didn't before). Well done again in this page effort. 188.65.190.67 ( talk) 17:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
This video is very shocking, should it be edited, can it be on this page, should it be on this page, what does everyone think, what are the wiki policies.. Kind regards Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum ( talk) 17:08, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
About showing Kherson Offensive link upfront (at top) as mentioned, also the Kharkiv battle.. /info/en/?search=Battle_of_Kharkiv_(2022), along with more clearly showing the already listed ones in Related Articles at the bottom... 188.65.190.67 ( talk) 17:23, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
We have a link to the battle at Zaporizhzhia, reports of encirclement at Mariupol, Sumy and Kherson. I believe the Southern front of the map needs to be updated to reflect that current movements of the Russian military to reflect the reports that we have on the pages concerning them and in the Timeline section and perhaps in the Eastern Ukrainian front. NativePride73 ( talk) 17:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Russia's embassies in Bogota, Santiago and Buenos Aires have also seen protests and manifestations, hence a request of their addition to the list of protests under reactions.
Sources (in Spanish)
[ CO] [ AR/CL] Maj Swag ( talk) 17:57, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
'verbatim text': "...Argentina, ... Chile, Colombia, ..." with the aforementioned references in the reference box (more like book)
I cba arguing over this as I got more pressing things to do IRL, but I'm just wondering; how can a Twitter post by a journalist (in this case, from the Times of Israel) possibly be used as WP:RS to confirm the entire stance of "Europe"? IMHO, such a claim requires much stronger sources (also per WP:NOTNEWS). - LouisAragon ( talk) 20:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Proposal to add the rest of the paragraph under: Russia was one of the signatories of the Charter for European Security, which "reaffirmed the inherent right of each and every participating State to be free to choose or change its security arrangements, including treaties of alliance, as they evolve".
Each State also has the right to neutrality. Each participating State will respect the rights of all others in these regards. They will not strengthen their security at the expense of the security of other States. Within the OSCE no State, group of States or organization can have any pre-eminent responsibility for maintaining peace and stability in the OSCE area or can consider any part of the OSCE area as its sphere of influence. [1]. -- Murkunas ( talk) 20:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Also proposal to add this excerpt from the FOUNDING ACT ON MUTUAL RELATIONS, COOPERATION AND SECURITY BETWEEN NATO AND THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION I. Principles Consistent with the OSCE's work on a Common and Comprehensive Security Model for Europe for the Twenty-First Century, and taking into account the decisions of the Lisbon Summit concerning a Charter on European security, NATO and Russia will seek the widest possible cooperation among participating States of the OSCE with the aim of creating in Europe a common space of security and stability, without dividing lines or spheres of influence limiting the sovereignty of any state. [2] Murkunas ( talk) 20:49, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Russia in response to the EU airspace ban, have banned any flights which originate or terminate in EU territories. https://twitter.com/LatestAnonPress/status/1498019541065953281?s=20&t=TC2rr2wIXskr_ITbDGUiBw https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-28/russia-bans-all-of-eu-from-its-airspace-in-response-to-sanctions IFlyPlanes ( talk) 21:38, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
"The Russian stock market crashed, falling 39%, as measured by the RTS Index, on the first day of the invasion, with similar falls in the following days."
The last part of this sentence does not appear substantiated - Feb 24 indeed had about a 39% drop from 1226 to 746, but Feb 25 had the index rebound back to 936. (I could not find any data for the 28th.) -- 2600:1700:4579:B80:B494:BE18:560A:94C7 ( talk) 21:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Is there any good estimates on the size of the Ukrainian volunteer force? Feel like it should be added to the infobox. Sir Magnus has spoken! ( So can you!) 21:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
It would be too hard to guess, being that the numbers are changing every minute, you'd have to imagine. Maybe a source might have an estimate, maybe you try to extrapolate a number from the current units plus a rough guess of males between 18 and 60, since that's confirmed, but it does seem a little unlikely to confirm. TheCorriynial ( talk) 02:04, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I would change the wording of the template at the top of page, where it states "This current military offensive documents a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses, and initial news reports may be unreliable. The latest updates to this current military offensive may not reflect the most current information. (February 2022)" and possibly replace it with a {{current}}
template, as this isn't nessearily a "issue" (atleast an issue that can be fixed). —Remember, I'murmate —
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Thie article COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine has not been updated in months, and I think it is likely important that we establish what is going on with COVID during this invasion. Has it been made worse by it? this article seems to think so https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-covid-polio-mounting-health-threats-rcna17780 MaitreyaVaruna ( talk) 22:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey y'all, make sure to spell-check your edits. I found two typos in this section, and its likely that there are plenty more in the rest of the article.
"On the evening of 28 February, the government of Norway decided to donate up to 2,000 M72 LAW anti-tank weapons to Ukraine in adittion to previous announced helmets and other protective gear."
"This assisted the Ukrainian military to improve its quality, with the Ukrainian army achieving noticeable succusses against Russian proxy forces in Donbas."
Can't edit this page, so I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could correct this. Appreciate y'all!
-- Blank2nowhere ( talk) 22:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
The article consistently refers to "Snake Island". But the name of the island is Зміїний (Zmiinyi in the Latin alphabet). I expect Wikipedia has a policy on translation of names. To me, it seems respectful to use native names as much as possible.
Nevertheless, I recognize that in the interest of communication to English-speaking readers, some concessions are necessary and appropriate. Notably the common name of the country is used in the article's title. Its capital, well-known as Kiev, is spelled more accurately as Kyiv. These make sense because few readers of English Wikipedia will have any experience with the Cyrillic alphabet.
This is just a comment for now. However, if Russia decides to annex "Snake Island" under a different name, it might become more important. It is also possible that Ukraine might rename it, say, Thirteen Heroes Island. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 22:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Incredible to see what you all have put together in past few days. Happy to join team. Can't catch up right now with all the previous posts, just wanted to pop a couple Qs in here to everyone:
1) is anyone here skilled at recrafting Lead sections? Readability according to Hemingwayapp.com is Post-graduate level for first 3 paragraphs and we have a Lot of kids trying to understand this too. I'd be happy to help with whomever is focused on updates to the Lead.
2) re: collaborations with coverage of same topics in other languages, how are the people working on source material coordinating between the many many language sources?
2) re: Related wikipedia articles - When I googled "Ukraine war" I got tie ins to /info/en/?search=Russo-Ukrainian_War ? instead of this article. With so much happening at once - which older-article pageviews are most lighting up, and who here is working on updating those too?
3) what help from others around the world is needed most to get and keep this article as high quality as possible? Who should I coordinate with here when I can bring more volunteers to help?
4) Is there a Telegram channel, discord or other chat platform where active editors are discussing things in live chat?
I'm sure many answers are written above and I will dig in to the mass up there soon - thanks for quick Q&A here. Grateful for all you do! DrMel ( talk) 01:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
1) Some topics are best left to adults. In any case there's the Simple English wikipedia
2)Norm is to add a hatnote at the beggining of the article, like Coronavirus the public tends to shift towards more specific vocabulary on their own as they learn the nuances.
3)Good sources, and good summaries from those sources. Try not to get your information from the internet itself, if you have offline sources of information, you can add them to Wikipedia.
4) Communication often happens in Wikipedia edit summaries, talk pages and user talk pages. Off site communication is allowed, but not looked upon favourably.
-- TZubiri ( talk) 01:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Incredible to see what you all have put together in past few days. Happy to join team. Can't catch up right now with all the previous posts, just wanted to pop a couple Qs in here to everyone:
1) is anyone here skilled at recrafting Lead sections? Readability according to Hemingwayapp.com is Post-graduate level for first 3 paragraphs and we have a Lot of kids trying to understand this too. I'd be happy to help with whomever is focused on updates to the Lead.
2) re: collaborations with coverage of same topics in other languages, how are the people working on source material coordinating between the many many language sources?
2) re: Related wikipedia articles - When I googled "Ukraine war" I got tie ins to /info/en/?search=Russo-Ukrainian_War ? instead of this article. With so much happening at once - which older-article pageviews are most lighting up, and who here is working on updating those too?
3) what help from others around the world is needed most to get and keep this article as high quality as possible? Who should I coordinate with here when I can bring more volunteers to help?
4) Is there a Telegram channel, discord or other chat platform where active editors are discussing things in live chat?
I'm sure many answers are written above and I will dig in to the mass up there soon - thanks for quick Q&A here. Grateful for all you do! DrMel ( talk) 01:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
1) Some topics are best left to adults. In any case there's the Simple English wikipedia
2)Norm is to add a hatnote at the beggining of the article, like Coronavirus the public tends to shift towards more specific vocabulary on their own as they learn the nuances.
3)Good sources, and good summaries from those sources. Try not to get your information from the internet itself, if you have offline sources of information, you can add them to Wikipedia.
4) Communication often happens in Wikipedia edit summaries, talk pages and user talk pages. Off site communication is allowed, but not looked upon favourably.
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Update infobox to include statistics mentioned in this analysis based on open source visual evidence. Perathian ( talk) 18:06, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I am concerned about the map. It shows a bunch of red arrows for Russian attacks, but nothing for Ukrainian resistance. Furthermore, Describing Kyiv as "contested" makes sense in a way, but sources say the city is under Ukrainian control. Adoring nanny ( talk) 18:56, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
Melitopol fell to Russian forces and currently, the map shows it under Ukrainian forces ( Battle of Melitopol) & there needs to be an airstrike marker put in Russia for the Millerovo air base attack which was confirmed to have at least destroyed one plane (more not verified yet, but one was). Elijahandskip ( talk) 01:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
... needs citation, as well as timestamps on the individual frames. The frames needs to be properly aligned with one another, so they don't jump around, and slowed down for better viewing.
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Please update the infobox, Ukraine said a Russian platoon surrendered. https://news.yahoo.com/ukrainian-ambassador-says-russian-platoon-201138508.html BlackShadowG ( talk) 09:33, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Not done: Until mentioned in a more definite way (currently the claim is solely attributed to the ukrainian ambassador), and covered in a variety of reliable sources I wouldn't say it's met the threshold for verifiability.
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Already done -- Both of the sources named here are dated 24 Feb and refer to surrender of the 74th Motorized Rifle Brigade only. This information is already included and referenced in the article under the subheading "24 February". Additionally the infobox contains a Ukrainian claim of "200 captured" with a citation dated two days later than these sources. In light of these observations I'm marking this request as already complete. Thank you for the request. Please clarify your concern with more details if you need to re-open. --
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@ Laurel Lodged: I restored because it seems you mistook what I wrote in my edit summary as an actual quote by Putin. Anyway, I think the casus belli is not so clear cut and needs to be discussed first. Thanks. Mellk ( talk) 10:47, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Also, I think "to provide a casus belli" is OR. Mellk ( talk) 10:48, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Russian web magazine "The Village" reports that Russian citizens signs the petition demanding impeachment of President Putin on his decision to invade Ukraine. [1] At the moment, more than 130,000 people have signed this petition. Shall we add it to the article? K8M8S8 ( talk) 13:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
References
At Russo-Ukrainian War, which is receiving far less editorial attention than this page. Jr8825 • Talk 13:40, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Now grown to 335,369 bytes. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:04, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Please, with a so long text could not found this theme. Regards. -- 90.186.219.179 ( talk) 15:20, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I think this well covered allegation+rejection should be covered at 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine#Foreign military support to Ukraine. Thoughts? Srijanx22 ( talk) 15:52, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
@ Da Vinci Nanjing: Because of an edit conflict, a lot of additions were undone for... the sake of one sentence? Mellk ( talk) 15:54, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
1 Algerian citizen died today in Kharkiv 105.99.14.177 ( talk) 18:09, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I've added it in, but the only source that I can find is the one below. https://news-tunisia.tunisienumerique.com/ukraine-death-of-an-algerian-student-by-a-missile-attack/amp/ Sir Magnus has spoken! ( So can you!) 23:08, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Hello everyone, there are many reports in the press about Russian ATMs being out of cash, long lines at banks, interest rates going up and so forth. I wonder if we need a new article called '2022 Russian economic crash' or 'crisis' or something like it? Victor Grigas ( talk) 18:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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In the last 24 hours there have been developments regarding peace talks, from the Russian suggestion in Belarus (which was initially refused) to the acceptance of the peace talk proposal later in the day in the Belarusian border. News I read regarding this (in no particular order). I think this deserves its own section.
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https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2022/02/27/7326404/ (google translate)
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https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-rejects-russian-offer-talks-belarus-2022-02-27/
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https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ukraines-leader-country-ready-peace-talks-russia-belarus-83139629
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https://www.eunews24.com/world/ukraine-president-welcomes-peace-talks-proposals-in-video-message/
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https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h13f1xtxc (not sure whether this source is reliable)
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https://www.axios.com/ukraine-russian-invasion-talks-bedd8c3a-efc7-4549-92fe-b360e0655b5d.html
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https://nypost.com/2022/02/27/ukraine-and-russia-to-meet-for-peace-talks-without-preconditions-zelensky-says/
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/feb/27/russian-banks-excluded-from-swift-what-we-know-so-far (Mentions peace talk only one paragraph)
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-zelenskyy-russia-crisis-putin-peace-talks-b2024252.html
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https://www.itv.com/news/2022-02-27/ukraine-claims-control-of-kharkiv-and-confirms-talks-with-russia-will-go-ahead
Cheers-- FeliciaKrismanta ( talk) 18:23, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
As per the latest news, there are more than 16,000 Indian people who are stuck in Ukraine are majorly students. And an evacuation of Indians has been started under operation Ganga. And Several Indian students fleeing Ukraine have alleged that they were harassed, beaten by the Ukrainian guards at the Poland border, and were not allowed to cross over and many Africans have been also stopped to cross the border. https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/stopped-assaulted-at-ukraine-border-say-some-indian-students-2793334 Thecybergulf ( talk) 18:26, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I think there should be a section under "Reactions" for the responses from Latin American countries up to this point. I believe this is relevant and of general interest. The region may be perceived as somewhat removed from the conflict but in my opinion should not be omitted completely. A sentence or two dedicated to known responses per country would likely suffice at this moment (I would do this myself but do not qualify).
As a brief overview, many countries have so far condemned the attack, others have refrained from direct condemnation while calling for diplomacy, while Cuba and Venezuela have blamed NATO and seem to align with Russia to an extent. Brazil has shown signs of internal conflict, with the Vice President condemning the attack then later being scolded for speaking out of turn by president Jair Bolsonaro.
Here is an article that can be used as a source which lists some countries & their responses in a similar way to what I think would be appropriate on this page - https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/latin-american-countries-call-russian-withdrawal-ukraine-rcna17685 — Preceding unsigned comment added by CulturaVore ( talk • contribs) 18:30, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
At least in Chile was in the news that the OEA (Organized Estates of America) make a declaration condemning the invasion but was not signed by Argentina and Brazil (even in the map those countries are marked blue) Argentina has interest on sputnik laboratories an vaccines and I dont know about brazil.. Its always interesting see the latin american context when the influences USA/Russia always has been in encounter.
I propose adding the Anti-War protestors in Russia who have been arrested to the casualty section. I realize that on the face of it this may seem kind of a strange request but I would point two factors, A: a large number of Russians have been arrested in Russia in protests spanning the country, OVD-info estimates 5,000 over the past four days alone. B: As for arrest being a "casualty" I would point out that we do consider prisoners to be casualties and they are currently listed. They are prisoners of war, however there are reports in the CNN and other sources of riot police savaging protestors and inflicting corporal punishment before they are arrested and become prisoners. I think that this would furthermore highlight that this conflict isn't so black and white as to be Russia vs. Ukraine but a more multi-faceted situation. Anyhow I wanted to see what other editors think, and if this could be something that you all think could improve the article. Alcibiades979 ( talk) 18:32, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
The Russian invasion has thus far made the most progress in taking over the southern part of Ukraine (on and near the Black Sea coast), while Russian forces are typically facing much heavier and more effective Ukrainian resistance in the rest of the Ukraine. Ukraine's economy, which relies heavily on access to the Black Sea, would be crippled indefinitely if Russia takes over Ukraine's entire Black Sea coastline before any potential ceasefire goes into effect. There's plenty of news coverage on the rapidly developing situation in Mariupol, Melitopol, Berdiansk, Kherson, and Mykolaiv, and Russia is currently increasing its focus on taking over Odessa to try to complete it's choke-hold on Ukraine's south. There's sufficient news coverage of the unfolding events in the south as well as their larger implications, but this wiki is still woefully limited in covering that aspect of the invasion. Unfortunately, I don't have time to update the article myself, but thoughts on this are welcome. HKT Talk 18:34, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Does Taiwan really produce 92% of the global supply as stated under /info/en/?search=2022_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Other_countries_and_international_organisations? That seems a bit much. 2A00:FB8:6593:A400:F84A:107E:9E93:95EE ( talk) 19:03, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Hi, it seems that the map on this page is different from the maps on /info/en/?search=2021%E2%80%932022_Russo-Ukrainian_crisis and /info/en/?search=Russo-Ukrainian_War. Please help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 105.225.28.195 ( talk) 19:20, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
here is a site with up-to-date information about the losses of Russian manpower:
https://200rf.com/
Translate info:
At the moment, 4312 people have been killed. Of these, 1169 people cannot be identified. In captivity 768 people. --
George Chernilevsky
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The reference after Portugal in the 'Foreign military support to Ukraine' section is inconsistent and should be moved to after the comma. EloquentMosquito ( talk) 11:00, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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On February 28th South Korea announced it will participate in the SWIFT ban againt Russia, as well as announcing an export ban on stragetic materials covered by the "Big 4" treaties to which Korea belongs— the Nuclear Suppliers Group, the Wassenaar Arrangement, the Australia Group, and the Missile Technology Control Regime. In addition, 57 non-strategic materials including semiconductors, IT equipment, sensors, lasers, maritime equipment, aerospace equipment are planned to be included in the export ban "soon" ("조속히 확정할 예정"). [1] 222.99.95.163 ( talk) 12:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Please remove the statement at the beginning: "It is the largest conventional warfare operation in Europe since World War II.[37]" This is obviously false seeing as this conflict is at this stage nowhere near the scale of the War in Yugoslavia. 41.17.205.65 ( talk) 18:37, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
No one should forget who was involved. Sanctions might be appropriate...
Chechnya and President Kadyrow is Belligerents too since invasion ! (with 10.000 units under Chechnya and Russia flag ...)
PLEASE ADD (I do not have the right to edit the articel)
I added it in the german articles... https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russischer_%C3%9Cberfall_auf_die_Ukraine_2022 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krieg_in_der_Ukraine_seit_2014 -- TwentyEighteen ( talk) 22:13, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Ok but it is an atonomous republik of russia. But one thing is sure: Kadyrow is a leader and commander of a part of the invaders ! So he needs to be added imo! .-- TwentyEighteen ( talk) 00:18, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Under section "Media depictions" and subsection "Censorship and propaganda", two errors need attention.
"Many Chinese users of the social-media platform Weibo pushed pro-Russian sentiments and statements with a translation of Putins 24 February speech going viral and the connected hastag receiving 1.1 billion views in 24-hours. Other users have pointed the conflicts blame at the United States, comments that were echoed by the state broadcaster China Central Television."
An apostrophe is needed in "Putins", and "hastag" should be "hashtag".
Thank you!
-- Blank2nowhere ( talk) 22:47, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
This article's second sentence says the invasion "is the largest conventional military attack on European soil since World War II" and properly cites a reliable source (ABC News). But is that correct? Roughly 180,000 Russian troops have been mustered at the Ukrainian border, not all of whom have yet entered the country. Compare this to the roughly 500,000 Warsaw Pact troops that invaded Czechoslovakia in 1968. I suggest we find a more definitive exploration of this alleged fact before we give it such prominence. PRRfan ( talk) 03:41, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
"the biggest assault on a European state since World War Two"[3]. Reuters tends to be the gold-standard for factual reporting. Jr8825 • Talk 06:23, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
"the biggest assault on a European state since World War Two"is not the same as "the largest conventional military attack on European soil since WWII". What does a conventional attack mean anyway? Presumably not the Yugoslav Wars, which were long, nasty and murderous and involved many people, but were not "conventional" nor "assaults on a European state" (ie from an external power). I certainly agree that the claim lacks context and probably doesn't deserve this level of prominence. Pincrete ( talk) 00:20, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ups-fedex-halting-shipments-russia-ukraine-2022-02-27/ Victor Grigas ( talk) 01:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Ukrinform is state media of the Ukrainian government. I don't see it on WP:RSPS as either reliable or not. Is there any consensus on it? Personally think it's quite important to be sure as there are articles by them being used as sources in war articles. 24.44.73.34 ( talk) 21:14, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
That's my intended point. If we can't use RT how can we use the state media of any side of this conflict? 24.44.73.34 ( talk) 22:45, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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The following information:
Following its intervention in protests against the government earlier in 2022, Moscow requested that Kazakhstan send troops to assist in the offensive, but Kazakhstan refused, reiterating that it does not recognize the Donetsk and Luhansk separatists.
Is false. Please remove this completely. Ministry of Defence of Kazakhstan commented to Stopfake.kz, among other things:
'The request to send Kazakh military personnel to Ukraine or any other country has not been received and is therefore not being considered' [1]
Credibility note: Stopfake.kz is a counter disinformation agency backed by the Ministry of Information and Social Development of the Republic of Kazakhstan. It is used mainly to combat the spread of fakes, such as the one written in this article and published on NBC. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fl7wless ( talk • contribs) 17:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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The background mostly covers political issues, totally dismissing economic/resource disputes such as the major Ukrainian War#Russia–Ukraine gas disputes, Russia–Ukraine gas disputes. This conflicts with WP:NPOV. CreateAccou4343nt555 ( talk) 04:57, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Neither a tank nor it was Russian, likely Ukranian 9k35 Strela-10 with inexperienced driver that lost control on road curve, probably due to low tractioin of steel tracks on asphalt. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1713:EA78:ACC1:79AD:4E91:56D0:2F00 ( talk) 17:16, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q Makes absolutely no sense for Russia to spearhead with a close air defence vehicle. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1713:EA78:ACC1:79AD:4E91:56D0:2F00 ( talk) 17:45, 26 February 2022 (UTC)
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We can confirm that this is an Unmarked Strela-10 Armored Vehicle, but multiple sources conflict the vehicle’s nationality. Regarding the 2 videos we have here:
- https://vidmax.com/video/211138-wild-video-shows-russian-soldiers-get-ambushed-in-a-parking-lot-in-kyiv-all-3-killed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDgEJ6mcI6Q
I believe we should consider this as disputed until we receive confirmation from either party. MateoFrayo ( talk) 22:46, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
Unsure why this shouldn't unequivocally be listed as an "armored vehicle" - that's what some of the articles are calling it and there's no denying that's what it is. 李艾连 ( talk) 04:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Can you add the territorial changes to the infobox? Russia has controlled several towns besides portions of Donetsk/Luhansk and Crimea. 184.146.39.97 ( talk) 03:16, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
It is being reported that Spain is sending tons of supplies to the Ukraine. I'm not entirely sure where this might go in the article, but it may be worth noting. Source here. --Surv1v4l1st ╠ Talk║ Contribs╣ 21:53, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
I have nominated Spillover of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine for deletion. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spillover of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. ― Tartan357 Talk 06:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
How's about to display the structure of troops, involved in the war, in infobox? For example:
Ukraine
Russia
Belarus
In the future, we can specify a troops composition and strength. K8M8S8 ( talk) 10:02, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hey! I cannot edit this myself, as I'm not an extended rights user. Someone should add this for the sake of objectivity and bilateral understanding of the arguments and allegations. Denazification isn't only a matter of anti-Semitism. In Ukraine in WW2 there were in fact Ukrainians aligning with Germans to oppose Russians, whom (in addition to Jews) the Germans wanted to genocide. Putin's claim of “denazification” doesn't have much support. However, I believe the aforementioned is what he meant and that's how it should be understood. It's a stretch, sure. But still. A lot of readers don't realize that Nazism included persecution towards more than Jewish people. Namely towards e.g. Russians. To converse, understand all sides first. Peace. ToniTurunen ( talk) 07:29, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Casualties As Reported By Ukraine* Russia /Pro Russian Forces: ~ 5300 As Of 2/28/2022 Ukraine: ~ 500 As Of 2/28/2022
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Add another section in 'Ramifications' or create another point altogether discussing 'Racism faced by Non-Ukrainians from the Ukrainian Military'.
EDIT: Non-Ukrainian students trying to escape war-hit Ukraine have alleged that there is racial discrimination among evacuees trying to leave the country via neighboring countries. Journalist Stephanie Hegarty of BBC published a series of tweets explaining the ordeal of the students. She said that a Nigerian medical student told her that while she was waiting to cross the border, the Ukrainian soldiers did not allow black people to cross and sent them back. She said, “They have to let ‘Ukrainians’ through first”. [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] MindOfOm ( talk) 07:33, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Hundreds of volunteers from the Romanian Siret customs made a support corridor for refugees from Ukraine, including food and drink. Romanian officials have also set up dozens of refugee tents.
[1] Alexmmmm ( talk) 09:14, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine → Russian invasion of Ukraine – clear Primary topic. Jishiboka1 ( talk) 09:32, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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This Wikisource page should be added to the page, either in External Links or in the part about Putin's announcement on the "special military operation".
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At the bottom of the overview, under "Casualties and losses", on civilian causalties it says "Per UN: 406+ civilians killed[29]". This is incorrect according to the cited source. The cited source says 406+ civilian causalties, meaning injuries + deaths, of which 102 are deaths. This is clearly stated in the cited article: "There have been at least 406 civilian casualties in Ukraine since Thursday, according to the U.N.’s Human Rights Office....Michelle Bachelet, U.N. Commissioner for Human Rights, said the U.N. had recorded 102 civilian deaths..." 178.255.168.175 ( talk) 23:53, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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In foreign military support, where it is talked about supplying aircraft to Ukraine, Bulgaria is supposed to have Su-25s not Slovakia KeplerBruv ( talk) 20:35, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Section 7.1 header "Censorship and propeganda" should be changed to "Censorship and propaganda". Propaganda is misspelled. 128.239.237.162 ( talk) 21:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Since the EU and NATO are officially sending weapons to Ukraine, shouldn't they be listed as supporting Ukraine?- Karma1998 ( talk) 16:46, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
There should be a correction to where it reads "A 60-km-long convoy of Russian tanks was reported to be heading down on Kyiv."
The source states that the road they are on is 60km long, not that the column itself is that long.
Additionally the source says that it is an armored column, an armored column doesn't necessarily mean just tanks it can also include APCs and other mechanized armored units. 184.155.9.83 ( talk) 09:42, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
The first sentence in the second paragraph under Sanctions under Ramifications refers to a 'Prime Minister Johnson'; Can we change this to 'UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson' like when referring to 'US President Joe Biden' in the previous paragraph and provide an internal link to the Wikipedia article for Prime Minister Boris Johnson? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stephanos100 ( talk • contribs) 01:41, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
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Add Australia to list of arms suppliers for Ukraine in infobox https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-01/scott-morrison-russia-ukraine-war-weapons-lethal-aid/100871304 MrAustin390 ( talk) 11:23, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Change the See also link under the section "Foreign military support to Ukraine" from "List of foreign aid during the Russo-Ukrainian War" to "List of foreign aid to Ukraine during the Russo-Ukrainian War". This would avoid a redirect. Curiocity1 ( talk) 14:54, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
Belarus is neither 'outside Russia' nor 'in Russia'. Xx236 ( talk) 11:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
It's now Tuesday so predicting what will happen on Monday is unnecessary.
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While there are intelligence sources in the West stating they've picked up intel about Belarus possibly entering the fray by Monday, I suggest we wait on reporting this. Wiki's not a newspaper, and while I suspect this will happen, restraint before adding these reports to the article would be prudent. 50.111.36.47 ( talk) 08:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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I wanted to add Mexico to the list of countries where pro-Ukraine protests have occurred (with this citation https://politica.expansion.mx/mexico/2022/02/26/fuera-putin-de-ucrania-piden-ucranianos-en-la-embajada-de-rusia-en-la-cdmx). But I am not able to edit the page. I do have more than 500 edits and have been an editor for a very long time, so I expected I should be able to edit. Does someone know why this is? Thank you very much.-- Homo logos ( talk) 06:28, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
https://web.archive.org/web/20220226224717/https://ria.ru/20220226/rossiya-1775162336.html Xx236 ( talk) 08:01, 28 February 2022 (UTC) 'There will be no Ukraine as anti-Russia.' Xx236 ( talk) 08:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
For compliance with Wikipedia:Verifiability we should probably try to reduce our reliance on live sources and fix refs that no longer support text because the items on the live feed have changed. Easier after the events cool down, yes, but interest in the article will diminish too and with 580 refs (and counting), the effort would be too great for a few people to handle. It would also be nice if we could replace many disparate refs with a single ref that discusses multiple things, to generally get our # of refs lower. ProcrastinatingReader ( talk) 11:52, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Go to
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Talk:Battle of Antonov Airport. Closing to declutter talk.
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Congratulations! Please add a page about the Ukrainian Dream to this article.-- Максим Огородник ( talk) 12:10, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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As the conflict continues, it is obviously unsustainable to have sections for each day of the conflict. I was thinking that it could be condensed into months, but at what point should this occur? Alextheconservative ( talk) 12:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
The Greeks who killed were not foreign citizens, they were Ukrainian citizens belonging to the Greek minority. Gre regiment ( talk) 12:37, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Someone started 2022 Russian financial crisis. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:34, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
MOS:INFOBOXFLAG is clear.
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Is it necessary to repeat the same flag icon over and over in the info box? Seems a bit of an eyesore. Govvy ( talk) 13:55, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Is it difficult to make sections collapsible? I would love to not need to scroll through the background section every time I refresh the page to see the updated daily summaries. 64.85.244.29 ( talk) 16:30, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Having seen the excellent coverage here, and separately - by chance - the Kherson offensive Wikipedia page, which actually seems to cover the whole South Eastern region: Maybe you already have such specific invasion links buried someplace on the page, but surely they should be clearer, near the top. For example, where you now have old historic links, which while of interest are surely of less immediate relevance. So the sub- invasion page links could surely go above them, or the historic ones could be shifted to a less prominent location. Also worth remembering the different Wikipedia phone and desktop views, in this and other respects. Thank you again for the good coverage, especially as I assume it's mostly by volunteers without pay. 188.65.190.67 ( talk) 16:43, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
I am unable to edit previous suggestion: There is a Related Articles section at the bottom here but it does not list the Kherson Offensive (and maybe others, perhaps Kharkiv if not listed...) /info/en/?search=Kherson_offensive Also as said would be better if those links were near the top someplace. Many using phones possibly do not see them, (as I didn't before). Well done again in this page effort. 188.65.190.67 ( talk) 17:03, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
This video is very shocking, should it be edited, can it be on this page, should it be on this page, what does everyone think, what are the wiki policies.. Kind regards Dubito, ergo cogito, ergo sum ( talk) 17:08, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
About showing Kherson Offensive link upfront (at top) as mentioned, also the Kharkiv battle.. /info/en/?search=Battle_of_Kharkiv_(2022), along with more clearly showing the already listed ones in Related Articles at the bottom... 188.65.190.67 ( talk) 17:23, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
We have a link to the battle at Zaporizhzhia, reports of encirclement at Mariupol, Sumy and Kherson. I believe the Southern front of the map needs to be updated to reflect that current movements of the Russian military to reflect the reports that we have on the pages concerning them and in the Timeline section and perhaps in the Eastern Ukrainian front. NativePride73 ( talk) 17:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Russia's embassies in Bogota, Santiago and Buenos Aires have also seen protests and manifestations, hence a request of their addition to the list of protests under reactions.
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[ CO] [ AR/CL] Maj Swag ( talk) 17:57, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
'verbatim text': "...Argentina, ... Chile, Colombia, ..." with the aforementioned references in the reference box (more like book)
I cba arguing over this as I got more pressing things to do IRL, but I'm just wondering; how can a Twitter post by a journalist (in this case, from the Times of Israel) possibly be used as WP:RS to confirm the entire stance of "Europe"? IMHO, such a claim requires much stronger sources (also per WP:NOTNEWS). - LouisAragon ( talk) 20:26, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Proposal to add the rest of the paragraph under: Russia was one of the signatories of the Charter for European Security, which "reaffirmed the inherent right of each and every participating State to be free to choose or change its security arrangements, including treaties of alliance, as they evolve".
Each State also has the right to neutrality. Each participating State will respect the rights of all others in these regards. They will not strengthen their security at the expense of the security of other States. Within the OSCE no State, group of States or organization can have any pre-eminent responsibility for maintaining peace and stability in the OSCE area or can consider any part of the OSCE area as its sphere of influence. [1]. -- Murkunas ( talk) 20:41, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Also proposal to add this excerpt from the FOUNDING ACT ON MUTUAL RELATIONS, COOPERATION AND SECURITY BETWEEN NATO AND THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION I. Principles Consistent with the OSCE's work on a Common and Comprehensive Security Model for Europe for the Twenty-First Century, and taking into account the decisions of the Lisbon Summit concerning a Charter on European security, NATO and Russia will seek the widest possible cooperation among participating States of the OSCE with the aim of creating in Europe a common space of security and stability, without dividing lines or spheres of influence limiting the sovereignty of any state. [2] Murkunas ( talk) 20:49, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
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Russia in response to the EU airspace ban, have banned any flights which originate or terminate in EU territories. https://twitter.com/LatestAnonPress/status/1498019541065953281?s=20&t=TC2rr2wIXskr_ITbDGUiBw https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-28/russia-bans-all-of-eu-from-its-airspace-in-response-to-sanctions IFlyPlanes ( talk) 21:38, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
"The Russian stock market crashed, falling 39%, as measured by the RTS Index, on the first day of the invasion, with similar falls in the following days."
The last part of this sentence does not appear substantiated - Feb 24 indeed had about a 39% drop from 1226 to 746, but Feb 25 had the index rebound back to 936. (I could not find any data for the 28th.) -- 2600:1700:4579:B80:B494:BE18:560A:94C7 ( talk) 21:56, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Is there any good estimates on the size of the Ukrainian volunteer force? Feel like it should be added to the infobox. Sir Magnus has spoken! ( So can you!) 21:58, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
It would be too hard to guess, being that the numbers are changing every minute, you'd have to imagine. Maybe a source might have an estimate, maybe you try to extrapolate a number from the current units plus a rough guess of males between 18 and 60, since that's confirmed, but it does seem a little unlikely to confirm. TheCorriynial ( talk) 02:04, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
I would change the wording of the template at the top of page, where it states "This current military offensive documents a current event. Information may change rapidly as the event progresses, and initial news reports may be unreliable. The latest updates to this current military offensive may not reflect the most current information. (February 2022)" and possibly replace it with a {{current}}
template, as this isn't nessearily a "issue" (atleast an issue that can be fixed). —Remember, I'murmate —
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Thie article COVID-19 pandemic in Ukraine has not been updated in months, and I think it is likely important that we establish what is going on with COVID during this invasion. Has it been made worse by it? this article seems to think so https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/ukraine-covid-polio-mounting-health-threats-rcna17780 MaitreyaVaruna ( talk) 22:11, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Hey y'all, make sure to spell-check your edits. I found two typos in this section, and its likely that there are plenty more in the rest of the article.
"On the evening of 28 February, the government of Norway decided to donate up to 2,000 M72 LAW anti-tank weapons to Ukraine in adittion to previous announced helmets and other protective gear."
"This assisted the Ukrainian military to improve its quality, with the Ukrainian army achieving noticeable succusses against Russian proxy forces in Donbas."
Can't edit this page, so I'd greatly appreciate it if someone could correct this. Appreciate y'all!
-- Blank2nowhere ( talk) 22:24, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
The article consistently refers to "Snake Island". But the name of the island is Зміїний (Zmiinyi in the Latin alphabet). I expect Wikipedia has a policy on translation of names. To me, it seems respectful to use native names as much as possible.
Nevertheless, I recognize that in the interest of communication to English-speaking readers, some concessions are necessary and appropriate. Notably the common name of the country is used in the article's title. Its capital, well-known as Kiev, is spelled more accurately as Kyiv. These make sense because few readers of English Wikipedia will have any experience with the Cyrillic alphabet.
This is just a comment for now. However, if Russia decides to annex "Snake Island" under a different name, it might become more important. It is also possible that Ukraine might rename it, say, Thirteen Heroes Island. Humphrey Tribble ( talk) 22:25, 28 February 2022 (UTC)
Incredible to see what you all have put together in past few days. Happy to join team. Can't catch up right now with all the previous posts, just wanted to pop a couple Qs in here to everyone:
1) is anyone here skilled at recrafting Lead sections? Readability according to Hemingwayapp.com is Post-graduate level for first 3 paragraphs and we have a Lot of kids trying to understand this too. I'd be happy to help with whomever is focused on updates to the Lead.
2) re: collaborations with coverage of same topics in other languages, how are the people working on source material coordinating between the many many language sources?
2) re: Related wikipedia articles - When I googled "Ukraine war" I got tie ins to /info/en/?search=Russo-Ukrainian_War ? instead of this article. With so much happening at once - which older-article pageviews are most lighting up, and who here is working on updating those too?
3) what help from others around the world is needed most to get and keep this article as high quality as possible? Who should I coordinate with here when I can bring more volunteers to help?
4) Is there a Telegram channel, discord or other chat platform where active editors are discussing things in live chat?
I'm sure many answers are written above and I will dig in to the mass up there soon - thanks for quick Q&A here. Grateful for all you do! DrMel ( talk) 01:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
1) Some topics are best left to adults. In any case there's the Simple English wikipedia
2)Norm is to add a hatnote at the beggining of the article, like Coronavirus the public tends to shift towards more specific vocabulary on their own as they learn the nuances.
3)Good sources, and good summaries from those sources. Try not to get your information from the internet itself, if you have offline sources of information, you can add them to Wikipedia.
4) Communication often happens in Wikipedia edit summaries, talk pages and user talk pages. Off site communication is allowed, but not looked upon favourably.
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Incredible to see what you all have put together in past few days. Happy to join team. Can't catch up right now with all the previous posts, just wanted to pop a couple Qs in here to everyone:
1) is anyone here skilled at recrafting Lead sections? Readability according to Hemingwayapp.com is Post-graduate level for first 3 paragraphs and we have a Lot of kids trying to understand this too. I'd be happy to help with whomever is focused on updates to the Lead.
2) re: collaborations with coverage of same topics in other languages, how are the people working on source material coordinating between the many many language sources?
2) re: Related wikipedia articles - When I googled "Ukraine war" I got tie ins to /info/en/?search=Russo-Ukrainian_War ? instead of this article. With so much happening at once - which older-article pageviews are most lighting up, and who here is working on updating those too?
3) what help from others around the world is needed most to get and keep this article as high quality as possible? Who should I coordinate with here when I can bring more volunteers to help?
4) Is there a Telegram channel, discord or other chat platform where active editors are discussing things in live chat?
I'm sure many answers are written above and I will dig in to the mass up there soon - thanks for quick Q&A here. Grateful for all you do! DrMel ( talk) 01:13, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
1) Some topics are best left to adults. In any case there's the Simple English wikipedia
2)Norm is to add a hatnote at the beggining of the article, like Coronavirus the public tends to shift towards more specific vocabulary on their own as they learn the nuances.
3)Good sources, and good summaries from those sources. Try not to get your information from the internet itself, if you have offline sources of information, you can add them to Wikipedia.
4) Communication often happens in Wikipedia edit summaries, talk pages and user talk pages. Off site communication is allowed, but not looked upon favourably.