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The article is in serious need of being updated. I've done some changes today, but there is much more to do and some parts of the article read like a good old anti-Russian propaganda today. I am concerned that there has been no motivation to update the article since March 2016, which was the absolute peak of the problems. I sure hope that's just a coincidence. The article in current state seems to be misleading as it suggests Russia is minutes away from defaulting, while the reality couldn't differ more. I am not suggesting adding OR to the article, of course, there are many solid sources that can help showing the current reality. Few examples of the problems that still exist:
It is probably worth mentioning that the dramatic spike of the exchange rates was one-day only, after which they went down significantly and are currently holding at bad, but not that critical levels, with rouble going up every day since. 89.233.128.158 ( talk) 14:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Any objections to me removing the "alleged"? While it is true that Russia is denying everything, it doesn't mean that Wikipedia shouldn't report the unambiguous truth. We have enough independent reports, as well as Russian soldiers captured in Ukraine, to know that the Russian support does exist. We don't report other obviously false propaganda, such as Kim Jong-Il's sporting achievements, as disputed facts either. Thue ( talk) 14:28, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Great insight into the "unambiguous truth". And yet, until the "independent reports" are produced, should not the word alleged stay? As for the lack of "obviously false propaganda" - what about attempting to paint the Syrian rebels as some kind of freedom-fighters? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.230.229 ( talk) 22:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Whoever edit this article?, a teenager from Saudi Arabia?. AFP is serious, bloggers are no so. 186.93.161.246 ( talk) 15:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I seen a table of ruble changes serving as timeline of related events. I wonder if more sources are needed to determine that events are contributors to changes in ruble. -- George Ho ( talk) 19:43, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I was briefly reading this article and that article. I wonder if we can add recoveries as significant. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't want an edit battleground between two names in sections. Perhaps we need a compromise. We have information on former Soviet regions, but they are also considered Russia's neighbours. Which one shall be preferred? -- George Ho ( talk) 05:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Maybe we can change all the depreciation values so that they only cite the percentage, leaving a [when?] citation so that we can find a source that gives an exact date for when the percentage was calculated. I'm not making the edit myself since I am not used to editing. -- 86.129.178.125 ( talk) 22:32, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Given growing reports that the US government is the key player in pushing a cold war-based policy toward Russia, and considering that this (highly-dangerous) policy has played a major role in the present crisis in Russian - would it not be useful to include sections here from Wikipedia's Cold War II article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.178.100 ( talk) 22:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Attempts to isolate Russia have been thwarted – senator
“It is due to the efforts in foreign policy that thwarted the plans on international isolation of our country – and the authors of these plans wanted to make such isolation an independent means of political and economic blackmail against Russia,” Konstantin Kosachev said in a message posted on the Federation Council’s official website on Wednesday. Russia Today, December 31, 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.86.61 ( talk) 14:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC) - i agree, the US is clearly pushing here speculation on the Oil markets. Even western outlets brag about it.-- Crossswords ( talk) 19:38, 11 January 2015 (UTC) http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/konjunktur/usa-boomen-russland-rutscht-in-die-rezession-kalter-wirtschaftskrieg-warum-die-usa-gewinnen-und-russland-verliert_id_4374241.html http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/konjunktur/usa-boomen-russland-rutscht-in-die-rezession-kalter-wirtschaftskrieg-warum-die-usa-gewinnen-und-russland-verliert_id_4374241.html
Just a reader (and over involved editor): A simple way of fixing the non-congruent lede is to work through all the citations, move them into the body, which assures coverage in the body AND unclutters the raw/wiki-code lede and makes it easier to edit subsequently. No references in the lede are required.-- Wuerzele ( talk) 17:21, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Made brief copyediting fixes, changing of headings from sentence case to heading case. I edited this page as part of this course. Oboudr5 ( talk) 15:58, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
7 may 2014: 1 EUR = 1.39 USD, 15 mar 2015: 1 EUR = 1.04 USD. Russian sanctions work? Or what? 2002:558C:E007:0:0:0:558C:E007 ( talk) 19:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
We have a bar chart of Russian ruble against the Euro and the Dollar on monthly basis. We also have table data of Russian ruble with recorded events. Is either or both needed? -- George Ho ( talk) 18:31, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
I took out the above phrase as it's really too early to tell what the impact on the real economy has been, much less what portion of it can be attributed to the "financial crisis" (personally I wouldn't call this a "crisis" myself, rather just a recession) rather than other factors. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 00:56, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Dr. Osipian has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:
The authors need to put a clear time frame on the Russian financial crisis of 2014, otherwise this is going to be an endless story.
We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.
Dr. Osipian has published scholarly research which seems to be relevant to this Wikipedia article:
ExpertIdeasBot ( talk) 12:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Which charts and tables shall be retained? Which ones shall be removed? -- George Ho ( talk) 05:30, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
purely supplementarytable can be collapsed, even when the rule says not to collapse the table by default, Meatsgains? George Ho ( talk) 04:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
A sharp decline in currency value does not constitute financial crisis. This is actually a common occurence among the emerging markets. Neither do limited Western sanctions constitute a crisis. Diplomatic crisis - maybe, but not a financial one. I would like to note, that no Russian banks collapsed during this "crisis", and the country's ability to repay foreign debt was never in doubt.
As a Russian, I frequently meet Westerners on the internet, who would smugly tell me, that my country's economy is "collapsing". Personally, I'm not sure what to say to these people: their views are a product of ignorance and a lot of anti-Russian propaganda. So is this article: it is mostly speculative, based on misleading, inaccurate Western media coverage. 37.147.226.243 ( talk) 11:31, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
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Mellk: about this move -
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What sources?--
Renat
18:19, 13 February 2021 (UTC)
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The article is in serious need of being updated. I've done some changes today, but there is much more to do and some parts of the article read like a good old anti-Russian propaganda today. I am concerned that there has been no motivation to update the article since March 2016, which was the absolute peak of the problems. I sure hope that's just a coincidence. The article in current state seems to be misleading as it suggests Russia is minutes away from defaulting, while the reality couldn't differ more. I am not suggesting adding OR to the article, of course, there are many solid sources that can help showing the current reality. Few examples of the problems that still exist:
It is probably worth mentioning that the dramatic spike of the exchange rates was one-day only, after which they went down significantly and are currently holding at bad, but not that critical levels, with rouble going up every day since. 89.233.128.158 ( talk) 14:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
Any objections to me removing the "alleged"? While it is true that Russia is denying everything, it doesn't mean that Wikipedia shouldn't report the unambiguous truth. We have enough independent reports, as well as Russian soldiers captured in Ukraine, to know that the Russian support does exist. We don't report other obviously false propaganda, such as Kim Jong-Il's sporting achievements, as disputed facts either. Thue ( talk) 14:28, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Great insight into the "unambiguous truth". And yet, until the "independent reports" are produced, should not the word alleged stay? As for the lack of "obviously false propaganda" - what about attempting to paint the Syrian rebels as some kind of freedom-fighters? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.230.229 ( talk) 22:28, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Whoever edit this article?, a teenager from Saudi Arabia?. AFP is serious, bloggers are no so. 186.93.161.246 ( talk) 15:07, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I seen a table of ruble changes serving as timeline of related events. I wonder if more sources are needed to determine that events are contributors to changes in ruble. -- George Ho ( talk) 19:43, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
I was briefly reading this article and that article. I wonder if we can add recoveries as significant. -- George Ho ( talk) 03:45, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't want an edit battleground between two names in sections. Perhaps we need a compromise. We have information on former Soviet regions, but they are also considered Russia's neighbours. Which one shall be preferred? -- George Ho ( talk) 05:39, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Maybe we can change all the depreciation values so that they only cite the percentage, leaving a [when?] citation so that we can find a source that gives an exact date for when the percentage was calculated. I'm not making the edit myself since I am not used to editing. -- 86.129.178.125 ( talk) 22:32, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
Given growing reports that the US government is the key player in pushing a cold war-based policy toward Russia, and considering that this (highly-dangerous) policy has played a major role in the present crisis in Russian - would it not be useful to include sections here from Wikipedia's Cold War II article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.17.178.100 ( talk) 22:24, 31 December 2014 (UTC)
Attempts to isolate Russia have been thwarted – senator
“It is due to the efforts in foreign policy that thwarted the plans on international isolation of our country – and the authors of these plans wanted to make such isolation an independent means of political and economic blackmail against Russia,” Konstantin Kosachev said in a message posted on the Federation Council’s official website on Wednesday. Russia Today, December 31, 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.147.86.61 ( talk) 14:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC) - i agree, the US is clearly pushing here speculation on the Oil markets. Even western outlets brag about it.-- Crossswords ( talk) 19:38, 11 January 2015 (UTC) http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/konjunktur/usa-boomen-russland-rutscht-in-die-rezession-kalter-wirtschaftskrieg-warum-die-usa-gewinnen-und-russland-verliert_id_4374241.html http://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/konjunktur/usa-boomen-russland-rutscht-in-die-rezession-kalter-wirtschaftskrieg-warum-die-usa-gewinnen-und-russland-verliert_id_4374241.html
Just a reader (and over involved editor): A simple way of fixing the non-congruent lede is to work through all the citations, move them into the body, which assures coverage in the body AND unclutters the raw/wiki-code lede and makes it easier to edit subsequently. No references in the lede are required.-- Wuerzele ( talk) 17:21, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Made brief copyediting fixes, changing of headings from sentence case to heading case. I edited this page as part of this course. Oboudr5 ( talk) 15:58, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
7 may 2014: 1 EUR = 1.39 USD, 15 mar 2015: 1 EUR = 1.04 USD. Russian sanctions work? Or what? 2002:558C:E007:0:0:0:558C:E007 ( talk) 19:12, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
We have a bar chart of Russian ruble against the Euro and the Dollar on monthly basis. We also have table data of Russian ruble with recorded events. Is either or both needed? -- George Ho ( talk) 18:31, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
I took out the above phrase as it's really too early to tell what the impact on the real economy has been, much less what portion of it can be attributed to the "financial crisis" (personally I wouldn't call this a "crisis" myself, rather just a recession) rather than other factors. Volunteer Marek ( talk) 00:56, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
Dr. Osipian has reviewed this Wikipedia page, and provided us with the following comments to improve its quality:
The authors need to put a clear time frame on the Russian financial crisis of 2014, otherwise this is going to be an endless story.
We hope Wikipedians on this talk page can take advantage of these comments and improve the quality of the article accordingly.
Dr. Osipian has published scholarly research which seems to be relevant to this Wikipedia article:
ExpertIdeasBot ( talk) 12:40, 22 May 2016 (UTC)
Which charts and tables shall be retained? Which ones shall be removed? -- George Ho ( talk) 05:30, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
purely supplementarytable can be collapsed, even when the rule says not to collapse the table by default, Meatsgains? George Ho ( talk) 04:55, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
A sharp decline in currency value does not constitute financial crisis. This is actually a common occurence among the emerging markets. Neither do limited Western sanctions constitute a crisis. Diplomatic crisis - maybe, but not a financial one. I would like to note, that no Russian banks collapsed during this "crisis", and the country's ability to repay foreign debt was never in doubt.
As a Russian, I frequently meet Westerners on the internet, who would smugly tell me, that my country's economy is "collapsing". Personally, I'm not sure what to say to these people: their views are a product of ignorance and a lot of anti-Russian propaganda. So is this article: it is mostly speculative, based on misleading, inaccurate Western media coverage. 37.147.226.243 ( talk) 11:31, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
@
Mellk: about this move -
diff
What sources?--
Renat
18:19, 13 February 2021 (UTC)