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Although RNU supports Russian officers who were accused and tried for alleged atrocities in Chechnya against civil population, and organizes meetings and public advocacy for them, many view the position of RNU as pro-Islamic. The main principle of the organization is anti-Semitism and as such, it supports Islamic anti-Semitic activities, including full support for Arab nationalists in fight against Israel. It also had close ties with extremely-antisemitic "Russian Islamic Committee". The aim of the party is to expulse all Jews to Israel and then destroy the state and push all Jews into the sea.
Despite the extreme anti-Semitism, the organization cannot be called extremely anti-American or anti-Western (even its official website is hosted in the United States). Many followers speak English, German, and other Western and Asian languages.
RNU largely conducts work with youth, mostly hidden, educating them in an anti-semitic manner. Regular lectures, classes, demonstrations of films, and physical training take place. The instructors dispel naive nationalist, racist, anti-Islamic and anti-Semitic views of young followers, providing well-established ideology instead.
For example, the instructors do not describe the "Protocols of Elders of Zion" as authoritative document; just the opposite, they recognize it as marked up, making the views of the followers less vulnerable to anti-fascist arguments. Israeli and Jewish press, as well as liberal analysts are also allowed and sometimes recommended for reading not only in negative aspect, so for those who do not know the ideology of RNU, the organization may not seem antisemitic at first glance.
A signicant principle of the organization is relative freedom in political and religious views and discussions of the followers. For example, followers can be supporters of Hitler or Stalin, be anti- or pro-Western, be Orthodox, neo-Paganist, Buddhist or Muslim. Often an instructor watches over followers' discussion, allowing their anti-Semitic views to develop freely and intervenes strictly to avoid some mistakes in understanding of the party's ideology, or to turn the discussion in proper direction.
There is also a variety of work with businesses, state officials, military and secret services. The supporting businessmen are awarded certificates of merit and other honours. The organization's tactic is to avoid direct violence of the law at present stage of fight. There were even instances when officials allowed RNU to take part in street patrol and other collaborations with the police; military training facilities were also used. Often state and industrial officials give RNU places for meetings, such as conference-halls, help to print literature, make uniforms with industrial standards, make badges, stickers, buckletes, copy CDs and video cassetes and other materials. Several arts of war classes with RNU instructors associated with state schools were opened.
This article has a pro-fascist bias, which as well as being unpleasant is also contrary to the neutrality policy of Wikipedia. If someone can adjust this, please do! 87.127.137.165 19:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
The article har obviously been rewritten by someone who's pro-nazi. It should be locked from further editing until someone cleans it up or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skickahit10 ( talk • contribs) 14:34, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
To me it seems like this organisation is very much active as a terrorist organisation in Ukraine these days [2]. Närking ( talk) 06:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Don't these dim Nazi wannabe's get that the NSDAP exterminated Slavs as untermensch? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:9D40:12F0:5556:9E7E:F0D0:FD4D ( talk) 14:29, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
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A user has recently made edits suggesting that the RNU is no longer active in Russia. However, it is clear from external government sources (cited) that the formal "banning" of the RNU did not affect the group's functioning or structure within Russia. It appears to have been "for show." As such, I edited the page farther down to say that the group had been "banned," and included a quote from a Canadian government report which described the group's continued functioning within Russia. Additionally, I removed the sentence in the introduction which suggested that the group had been banned since 2003, since that statement was ~half true and required qualification. I didn't think it made sense to include that all in the introduction.
I have edited the Introduction such that it includes a mention of the 2003 "ban" as well as the quote from the Canadian government report, however I believe that these statements would be better left out of the introduction altogether and should be in the History section. Meteoritekid ( talk)
The article itself makes it very clear that these edits are misleading: if the RNU disbanded in 2003, they could not have participated in the 2014 invasion of Donetsk / Crimea, as is described and cited in the History section of the article. Meteoritekid ( talk)
A user has recently made edits suggesting that the RNU is no longer active in Russia.: No one said it.
However, it is clear from external government sources (cited) that the formal "banning" of the RNU did not affect the group's functioning or structure within Russia.It is common for fringe groups to go underground, use different names, seek revival, and its not a big deal.
As such, I edited the page farther down to say that the group had been "banned," and included a quote from a Canadian government report which described the group's continued functioning within Russia.: It does not contradict the fact that the organization has been banned in several regions and is entirely 'unregistered'. So WP:UNDUE.
however I believe that these statements would be better left out of the introduction altogether and should be in the History section.: No. It should be on the lead that the fringe group has been banned in places unless there is a direct contradiction from WP:RS that it is not banned or is finally registered.
if the RNU disbanded in 2003, they could not have participated in the 2014 invasion of Donetsk / Crimea, as is described and cited in the History section of the article.: Again, members of fringe group participating in some activity does not mean that they are participating in an organized manner. In general, every group has a mentality of hyping their activities. You need to avoid relying on this opinion of yours since you have only got a link to their own vk.com (primary source) profile to make claims about it. We would need a WP:RS before we can consider their activity to be "significant" like you claimed in your edit. TolWol56 ( talk) 04:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
The article accurately reflects what those reliable sources say that this "is an unregistered neo-Nazi[1][2][3][4][5] organization based in Russia". Your argument could work only if article said this this "is a defunct neo-Nazi[1][2][3][4][5] organization which was based in Russia". But that isn't what the article say. TolWol56 ( talk) 07:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
that the RNU is banned in 4 municipalities of the 20,000+ in Russia. Clearly you failed to understand what what I said. TolWol56 ( talk) 21:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Russian Wikipedia is not a reliable source. WP:ONUS is on you to prove the validity of your edits than demand 'evidence' from others.
Your argument reads like this: "Germany never lost WW2, because they never even fought in South America, North America in a 'World War' and their forces signed surrender treaty only in Germany." If the source said "Germany lost WW2" and you don't have the source to say that "Germany didn't lose WW2 but in fact won WW2" then you should just drop it and move on.
This should be enough for resolving your unnecessary questions:
In 1999, at the initiative of Moscow Mayor Y. Luzhkov, the court canceled the state registration of RNU in the Moscow region. Attempts to achieve nationwide registration also failed due to opposition from the authorities." [3]
See what other reliable and scholarly sources say about its existence:
A characteristic example of this was Russian National Unity - broken up from within, it ceased to exist within six months (18 June 2003)." [4]
One of the most commented on was Russian National Unity"... who... "
never mustered the five per cent support needed to get into parliament before its final split in 2001". [5]
Soon afterwards the Moscow headquarter of the party was closed and the organization practically liquidated." [6]
the RNE was of substantial organizational strength before its breakup in late 2000 and was estimated to have had, on the eve of its fracture, approximately 20,000 to 25,000 members." [7]
through to the neo-nazi organization Russkoe natsional'noe yedinstvo (Russian National Unity, RNE), formerly the largest neo-Nazi group in the country but now divided into several subgroups" [8]
Russian National Unity underwent an internal coup d'etat in 2000. Several regional leaders decided to exclude Alexander Barkashov from his position as leader of the party, splitting up into multiple factions, none of which was able to step in to play a unifying role." And: "Barkashov, who had legal troubles for "hooliganism" in 2005, created a new party bearing his name in December of the following year but had no real success." [9]
Now here is another great academic source that debunks the claims that this "defunct" group played a role in Donbass:
This "brown" reading of Novorossiya was amplified by the media hype surrounding the alleged rebirth of Barkashov's Russian National Unity (RNE) party alongside the Donbas insurgency. The RNE is a unique case of a defunct nationalist organization whose name became such a brand that it can be instantly reactivated, based only on its faded glory." And it concludes that "
these links are mentioned by unreliable Ukrainian sources and the movement's Facebook page displays no particular link to the RNE." [10]
Unless you can find sources that argue against these facts, we will have to treat it as a dead group per above WP:RS.
Let me make it crystal clear that you have no reliable sources to prove: 1) the group is nationally registered), 2) the group was ever registered anywhere, 3) the group did anything significant since it was banned nearly 20 years ago (former volunteers claiming or being reported to have fought in Donbas does not prove revival). TolWol56 ( talk) 10:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
It goes on to say: "The movement’s website...was relaunched...with the crisis in Ukraine. Many central figures in Donetsk have referred, directly or indirectly, to the RNE. The most famous of them, Pavel Gubarev, a prominent spokesman with multiple titles (leader of the Donbas militia, governor of the Donetsk People’s Republic, its foreign affairs minister, and the founder of the Novorossiya party), claimed to lead the RNE section in Donetsk." In other words, a few lines after your quote, the same source claims that one of the most prominent leaders of the Russian separatists in Donetsk publicly stated that he was leading the RNU/RNE.
Since the group appears to be registered in a number of the municipalities it has not been banned in (i.e. 85%+ of Russia)violates WP:OR and is baseless since they were never registered anywhere. You would need WP:RS to enforce this view of yours.
RNU splintered into multiple different neo-nazi organizations in the early 2000s and claims that it was ~defunct after that period, but, again,but that's it! You should stop right there! There is no need of a "but, again" unless you have reliable source contradicting the information directly.
"The fact that barkashov did celebrate the insurgents' actions on his Facebook page does not mean that they took orders from him."It seems that you purposefully omitted it because it debunks your entire basis of the argument. [12]
@ Meteoritekid: please see WP:EDITXY and WP:SAMPLEER. It is hard to understand what is being discussed here. -- Renat 18:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
RNU splintered into multiple different neo-nazi organizations in the early 2000s and claims that it was ~defunct after that period, but, again". When he said "but, again" he got back to his WP:OR that has no basis or support from academic sources. See his last edit to the article where he made up ( WP:OR) that the group does "not appear to have been banned in the majority of Russia", contrary to the sourced fact the group was already dead soon after the ban in 1999 by Moscow. This user is not sticking to sources but using his own debunked and inaccurate calculations to dispute academic sources. TolWol56 ( talk) 19:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
"[the] RNU has already been banned in Moscow, Yekaterinburg and Karelia ... in all of those places the organization has continued to function without any trouble. After the court bans were imposed on the RNU chapters, their leaders either changed the group's name ... or else just went right on operating, saying that RNU was a public organization and didn't need to be registered."1
"In April 2002, deputy chief of the Russian Preventive Operations Department reported that the number of active RNU members had been rising (ITAR TASS 10 Apr. 2002) and although the United Kingdom Home Office considered membership figures unreliable, it reported that the RNU claimed tens of thousands of members in many regions of Russia (UK Apr. 2002). Also in 2002, ITAR-TASS news agency reported that there were twenty-two RNU associations operating in the Russian Federation (ITAR TASS 23 Oct. 2002) and the FSU Monitor stated that the Astrakhan Region's RNU branch [alone] had 500 members (FSU Monitor 5 Feb. 2002)."1
"Russian volunteers who were actively involved in the protests in Kharkov and Odessa in spring 2014, which were themselves provocations, and subsequently fought in eastern Ukraine include activists of Aleksandr Barkashov’s RNE, Aleksandr Dugin’s Eurasian Union of Youth, Stanislav Vorobev’s RID and other groups."2
"The RNU's prestige would be revived with the 2014 Ukrainian war. The only other movement that could compete with the RNE in “controlling the streets” was the National Bolsheviks...The movement’s website...was relaunched...with the crisis in Ukraine. Many central figures in Donetsk have referred, directly or indirectly, to the RNE. The most famous of them, Pavel Gubarev, a prominent spokesman with multiple titles (leader of the Donbas militia, governor of the Donetsk People’s Republic, its foreign affairs minister, and the founder of the Novorossiya party), claimed to lead the RNE section in Donetsk."3 - Marlene Laruelle
"Pavel Gubarev, who began the separatist uprising in Donetsk March 2014 by briefly proclaiming himself the “People’s Governor” and hoisting a Russian flag over the city government building. Photos quickly surfaced showing Gubarev in the uniform of the militant group Russian National Unity, whose emblem bears an unmistakable resemblance to the swastika. The group’s leader, Aleksandr Barkashov, was also in close contact with the Donetsk rebels, vowing to help them fight “the vicious Kiev junta.”4
"...many of the Russian militants in prominent positions or involved in the fighting in Donbas had neo-Nazi or far-right views. Those involved in fighting Ukrainians in Donbas included Alexander Barkashov, head of the neo-Nazi Russian National Unity party and other members of his party."5
"Zisels says the most powerful far-right unit is the Russian National Unity (RNU) movement, led by ultra-nationalist Aleksandr Barkashov. Barkashov visited Ukraine twice this year, in March and May, and is currently based in Donetsk. This paramilitary organisation, which advocates the expulsion of non-Russians from the country, was founded in 1990. Its red-and-white emblem resembles the swastika icon used by the German Nazi party in the 1930s and 1940s. Barkashov's son is fighting in separatist groups in eastern Ukraine, says Zisels.6
[Translated] "RNU since 2000 to the present: Alexander Barkashov continued to lead the RNU (All-Russian Public Patriotic Movement "Russian National Unity") without federal registration, retaining the regional organizations of Moscow, Belgorod, Bryansk, Belarus, Nizhny Novgorod, Kurgan and a number of others. Also restored regional offices in St. Petersburg and Kostroma."7
many of them have previous links with Russian National Unity" [15] which means that they are no longer affiliated with RNE, a banned group.
The fact that Barkashov did celebrate the insurgents' actions on his Facebook page does not mean that they took orders from him." [16] Thus debunks your false claims about revival in 2014.
"The RNU's prestige would be revived with the 2014 Ukrainian war. The only other movement that could compete with the RNE in “controlling the streets” was the National Bolsheviks...The movement’s website...was relaunched...with the crisis in Ukraine. Many central figures in Donetsk have referred, directly or indirectly, to the RNE. The most famous of them, Pavel Gubarev, a prominent spokesman with multiple titles (leader of the Donbas militia, governor of the Donetsk People’s Republic, its foreign affairs minister, and the founder of the Novorossiya party), claimed to lead the RNE section in Donetsk."3
"Voronezh...St. Petersburg...Amur, Magadan, Primorsky, Sakhalin and Khabarovsky, and...Estonia"continued past 2000.
"In contrast to the passive behavior of the center, in recent years, in some regions, local RNU organizations were quite active. In spite of prohibitions and sometimes open confrontation with regional authorities (and in some places and [with their help], thanks to their sympathy) the Barkashovites were able to build fully capable cells of the builders of the future “Russian order”. In bypassing instructions from the CA, regional organizations made [their] own propaganda products, took part in elections, [and] staged performances that were not always sanctioned by the authorities."
"In general, the activity of the RNU OOPD is far from being as high as in the 1990s, but the movement exists and continues its educational and propaganda activities."8 Meteoritekid ( talk) 17:52, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
these links are mentioned by unreliable Ukrainian sources" and also notes "
this inconsistent media hype on the alleged rebirth of the RNU, with almost no open sources to confirm".
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Although RNU supports Russian officers who were accused and tried for alleged atrocities in Chechnya against civil population, and organizes meetings and public advocacy for them, many view the position of RNU as pro-Islamic. The main principle of the organization is anti-Semitism and as such, it supports Islamic anti-Semitic activities, including full support for Arab nationalists in fight against Israel. It also had close ties with extremely-antisemitic "Russian Islamic Committee". The aim of the party is to expulse all Jews to Israel and then destroy the state and push all Jews into the sea.
Despite the extreme anti-Semitism, the organization cannot be called extremely anti-American or anti-Western (even its official website is hosted in the United States). Many followers speak English, German, and other Western and Asian languages.
RNU largely conducts work with youth, mostly hidden, educating them in an anti-semitic manner. Regular lectures, classes, demonstrations of films, and physical training take place. The instructors dispel naive nationalist, racist, anti-Islamic and anti-Semitic views of young followers, providing well-established ideology instead.
For example, the instructors do not describe the "Protocols of Elders of Zion" as authoritative document; just the opposite, they recognize it as marked up, making the views of the followers less vulnerable to anti-fascist arguments. Israeli and Jewish press, as well as liberal analysts are also allowed and sometimes recommended for reading not only in negative aspect, so for those who do not know the ideology of RNU, the organization may not seem antisemitic at first glance.
A signicant principle of the organization is relative freedom in political and religious views and discussions of the followers. For example, followers can be supporters of Hitler or Stalin, be anti- or pro-Western, be Orthodox, neo-Paganist, Buddhist or Muslim. Often an instructor watches over followers' discussion, allowing their anti-Semitic views to develop freely and intervenes strictly to avoid some mistakes in understanding of the party's ideology, or to turn the discussion in proper direction.
There is also a variety of work with businesses, state officials, military and secret services. The supporting businessmen are awarded certificates of merit and other honours. The organization's tactic is to avoid direct violence of the law at present stage of fight. There were even instances when officials allowed RNU to take part in street patrol and other collaborations with the police; military training facilities were also used. Often state and industrial officials give RNU places for meetings, such as conference-halls, help to print literature, make uniforms with industrial standards, make badges, stickers, buckletes, copy CDs and video cassetes and other materials. Several arts of war classes with RNU instructors associated with state schools were opened.
This article has a pro-fascist bias, which as well as being unpleasant is also contrary to the neutrality policy of Wikipedia. If someone can adjust this, please do! 87.127.137.165 19:47, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
The article har obviously been rewritten by someone who's pro-nazi. It should be locked from further editing until someone cleans it up or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Skickahit10 ( talk • contribs) 14:34, August 26, 2007 (UTC)
To me it seems like this organisation is very much active as a terrorist organisation in Ukraine these days [2]. Närking ( talk) 06:52, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Don't these dim Nazi wannabe's get that the NSDAP exterminated Slavs as untermensch? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:9D40:12F0:5556:9E7E:F0D0:FD4D ( talk) 14:29, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
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A user has recently made edits suggesting that the RNU is no longer active in Russia. However, it is clear from external government sources (cited) that the formal "banning" of the RNU did not affect the group's functioning or structure within Russia. It appears to have been "for show." As such, I edited the page farther down to say that the group had been "banned," and included a quote from a Canadian government report which described the group's continued functioning within Russia. Additionally, I removed the sentence in the introduction which suggested that the group had been banned since 2003, since that statement was ~half true and required qualification. I didn't think it made sense to include that all in the introduction.
I have edited the Introduction such that it includes a mention of the 2003 "ban" as well as the quote from the Canadian government report, however I believe that these statements would be better left out of the introduction altogether and should be in the History section. Meteoritekid ( talk)
The article itself makes it very clear that these edits are misleading: if the RNU disbanded in 2003, they could not have participated in the 2014 invasion of Donetsk / Crimea, as is described and cited in the History section of the article. Meteoritekid ( talk)
A user has recently made edits suggesting that the RNU is no longer active in Russia.: No one said it.
However, it is clear from external government sources (cited) that the formal "banning" of the RNU did not affect the group's functioning or structure within Russia.It is common for fringe groups to go underground, use different names, seek revival, and its not a big deal.
As such, I edited the page farther down to say that the group had been "banned," and included a quote from a Canadian government report which described the group's continued functioning within Russia.: It does not contradict the fact that the organization has been banned in several regions and is entirely 'unregistered'. So WP:UNDUE.
however I believe that these statements would be better left out of the introduction altogether and should be in the History section.: No. It should be on the lead that the fringe group has been banned in places unless there is a direct contradiction from WP:RS that it is not banned or is finally registered.
if the RNU disbanded in 2003, they could not have participated in the 2014 invasion of Donetsk / Crimea, as is described and cited in the History section of the article.: Again, members of fringe group participating in some activity does not mean that they are participating in an organized manner. In general, every group has a mentality of hyping their activities. You need to avoid relying on this opinion of yours since you have only got a link to their own vk.com (primary source) profile to make claims about it. We would need a WP:RS before we can consider their activity to be "significant" like you claimed in your edit. TolWol56 ( talk) 04:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
The article accurately reflects what those reliable sources say that this "is an unregistered neo-Nazi[1][2][3][4][5] organization based in Russia". Your argument could work only if article said this this "is a defunct neo-Nazi[1][2][3][4][5] organization which was based in Russia". But that isn't what the article say. TolWol56 ( talk) 07:34, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
that the RNU is banned in 4 municipalities of the 20,000+ in Russia. Clearly you failed to understand what what I said. TolWol56 ( talk) 21:55, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Russian Wikipedia is not a reliable source. WP:ONUS is on you to prove the validity of your edits than demand 'evidence' from others.
Your argument reads like this: "Germany never lost WW2, because they never even fought in South America, North America in a 'World War' and their forces signed surrender treaty only in Germany." If the source said "Germany lost WW2" and you don't have the source to say that "Germany didn't lose WW2 but in fact won WW2" then you should just drop it and move on.
This should be enough for resolving your unnecessary questions:
In 1999, at the initiative of Moscow Mayor Y. Luzhkov, the court canceled the state registration of RNU in the Moscow region. Attempts to achieve nationwide registration also failed due to opposition from the authorities." [3]
See what other reliable and scholarly sources say about its existence:
A characteristic example of this was Russian National Unity - broken up from within, it ceased to exist within six months (18 June 2003)." [4]
One of the most commented on was Russian National Unity"... who... "
never mustered the five per cent support needed to get into parliament before its final split in 2001". [5]
Soon afterwards the Moscow headquarter of the party was closed and the organization practically liquidated." [6]
the RNE was of substantial organizational strength before its breakup in late 2000 and was estimated to have had, on the eve of its fracture, approximately 20,000 to 25,000 members." [7]
through to the neo-nazi organization Russkoe natsional'noe yedinstvo (Russian National Unity, RNE), formerly the largest neo-Nazi group in the country but now divided into several subgroups" [8]
Russian National Unity underwent an internal coup d'etat in 2000. Several regional leaders decided to exclude Alexander Barkashov from his position as leader of the party, splitting up into multiple factions, none of which was able to step in to play a unifying role." And: "Barkashov, who had legal troubles for "hooliganism" in 2005, created a new party bearing his name in December of the following year but had no real success." [9]
Now here is another great academic source that debunks the claims that this "defunct" group played a role in Donbass:
This "brown" reading of Novorossiya was amplified by the media hype surrounding the alleged rebirth of Barkashov's Russian National Unity (RNE) party alongside the Donbas insurgency. The RNE is a unique case of a defunct nationalist organization whose name became such a brand that it can be instantly reactivated, based only on its faded glory." And it concludes that "
these links are mentioned by unreliable Ukrainian sources and the movement's Facebook page displays no particular link to the RNE." [10]
Unless you can find sources that argue against these facts, we will have to treat it as a dead group per above WP:RS.
Let me make it crystal clear that you have no reliable sources to prove: 1) the group is nationally registered), 2) the group was ever registered anywhere, 3) the group did anything significant since it was banned nearly 20 years ago (former volunteers claiming or being reported to have fought in Donbas does not prove revival). TolWol56 ( talk) 10:34, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
It goes on to say: "The movement’s website...was relaunched...with the crisis in Ukraine. Many central figures in Donetsk have referred, directly or indirectly, to the RNE. The most famous of them, Pavel Gubarev, a prominent spokesman with multiple titles (leader of the Donbas militia, governor of the Donetsk People’s Republic, its foreign affairs minister, and the founder of the Novorossiya party), claimed to lead the RNE section in Donetsk." In other words, a few lines after your quote, the same source claims that one of the most prominent leaders of the Russian separatists in Donetsk publicly stated that he was leading the RNU/RNE.
Since the group appears to be registered in a number of the municipalities it has not been banned in (i.e. 85%+ of Russia)violates WP:OR and is baseless since they were never registered anywhere. You would need WP:RS to enforce this view of yours.
RNU splintered into multiple different neo-nazi organizations in the early 2000s and claims that it was ~defunct after that period, but, again,but that's it! You should stop right there! There is no need of a "but, again" unless you have reliable source contradicting the information directly.
"The fact that barkashov did celebrate the insurgents' actions on his Facebook page does not mean that they took orders from him."It seems that you purposefully omitted it because it debunks your entire basis of the argument. [12]
@ Meteoritekid: please see WP:EDITXY and WP:SAMPLEER. It is hard to understand what is being discussed here. -- Renat 18:33, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
RNU splintered into multiple different neo-nazi organizations in the early 2000s and claims that it was ~defunct after that period, but, again". When he said "but, again" he got back to his WP:OR that has no basis or support from academic sources. See his last edit to the article where he made up ( WP:OR) that the group does "not appear to have been banned in the majority of Russia", contrary to the sourced fact the group was already dead soon after the ban in 1999 by Moscow. This user is not sticking to sources but using his own debunked and inaccurate calculations to dispute academic sources. TolWol56 ( talk) 19:05, 11 March 2022 (UTC)
"[the] RNU has already been banned in Moscow, Yekaterinburg and Karelia ... in all of those places the organization has continued to function without any trouble. After the court bans were imposed on the RNU chapters, their leaders either changed the group's name ... or else just went right on operating, saying that RNU was a public organization and didn't need to be registered."1
"In April 2002, deputy chief of the Russian Preventive Operations Department reported that the number of active RNU members had been rising (ITAR TASS 10 Apr. 2002) and although the United Kingdom Home Office considered membership figures unreliable, it reported that the RNU claimed tens of thousands of members in many regions of Russia (UK Apr. 2002). Also in 2002, ITAR-TASS news agency reported that there were twenty-two RNU associations operating in the Russian Federation (ITAR TASS 23 Oct. 2002) and the FSU Monitor stated that the Astrakhan Region's RNU branch [alone] had 500 members (FSU Monitor 5 Feb. 2002)."1
"Russian volunteers who were actively involved in the protests in Kharkov and Odessa in spring 2014, which were themselves provocations, and subsequently fought in eastern Ukraine include activists of Aleksandr Barkashov’s RNE, Aleksandr Dugin’s Eurasian Union of Youth, Stanislav Vorobev’s RID and other groups."2
"The RNU's prestige would be revived with the 2014 Ukrainian war. The only other movement that could compete with the RNE in “controlling the streets” was the National Bolsheviks...The movement’s website...was relaunched...with the crisis in Ukraine. Many central figures in Donetsk have referred, directly or indirectly, to the RNE. The most famous of them, Pavel Gubarev, a prominent spokesman with multiple titles (leader of the Donbas militia, governor of the Donetsk People’s Republic, its foreign affairs minister, and the founder of the Novorossiya party), claimed to lead the RNE section in Donetsk."3 - Marlene Laruelle
"Pavel Gubarev, who began the separatist uprising in Donetsk March 2014 by briefly proclaiming himself the “People’s Governor” and hoisting a Russian flag over the city government building. Photos quickly surfaced showing Gubarev in the uniform of the militant group Russian National Unity, whose emblem bears an unmistakable resemblance to the swastika. The group’s leader, Aleksandr Barkashov, was also in close contact with the Donetsk rebels, vowing to help them fight “the vicious Kiev junta.”4
"...many of the Russian militants in prominent positions or involved in the fighting in Donbas had neo-Nazi or far-right views. Those involved in fighting Ukrainians in Donbas included Alexander Barkashov, head of the neo-Nazi Russian National Unity party and other members of his party."5
"Zisels says the most powerful far-right unit is the Russian National Unity (RNU) movement, led by ultra-nationalist Aleksandr Barkashov. Barkashov visited Ukraine twice this year, in March and May, and is currently based in Donetsk. This paramilitary organisation, which advocates the expulsion of non-Russians from the country, was founded in 1990. Its red-and-white emblem resembles the swastika icon used by the German Nazi party in the 1930s and 1940s. Barkashov's son is fighting in separatist groups in eastern Ukraine, says Zisels.6
[Translated] "RNU since 2000 to the present: Alexander Barkashov continued to lead the RNU (All-Russian Public Patriotic Movement "Russian National Unity") without federal registration, retaining the regional organizations of Moscow, Belgorod, Bryansk, Belarus, Nizhny Novgorod, Kurgan and a number of others. Also restored regional offices in St. Petersburg and Kostroma."7
many of them have previous links with Russian National Unity" [15] which means that they are no longer affiliated with RNE, a banned group.
The fact that Barkashov did celebrate the insurgents' actions on his Facebook page does not mean that they took orders from him." [16] Thus debunks your false claims about revival in 2014.
"The RNU's prestige would be revived with the 2014 Ukrainian war. The only other movement that could compete with the RNE in “controlling the streets” was the National Bolsheviks...The movement’s website...was relaunched...with the crisis in Ukraine. Many central figures in Donetsk have referred, directly or indirectly, to the RNE. The most famous of them, Pavel Gubarev, a prominent spokesman with multiple titles (leader of the Donbas militia, governor of the Donetsk People’s Republic, its foreign affairs minister, and the founder of the Novorossiya party), claimed to lead the RNE section in Donetsk."3
"Voronezh...St. Petersburg...Amur, Magadan, Primorsky, Sakhalin and Khabarovsky, and...Estonia"continued past 2000.
"In contrast to the passive behavior of the center, in recent years, in some regions, local RNU organizations were quite active. In spite of prohibitions and sometimes open confrontation with regional authorities (and in some places and [with their help], thanks to their sympathy) the Barkashovites were able to build fully capable cells of the builders of the future “Russian order”. In bypassing instructions from the CA, regional organizations made [their] own propaganda products, took part in elections, [and] staged performances that were not always sanctioned by the authorities."
"In general, the activity of the RNU OOPD is far from being as high as in the 1990s, but the movement exists and continues its educational and propaganda activities."8 Meteoritekid ( talk) 17:52, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
these links are mentioned by unreliable Ukrainian sources" and also notes "
this inconsistent media hype on the alleged rebirth of the RNU, with almost no open sources to confirm".
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