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For the interest of anyone contributing to this page, I have copied into a sandbox page a passage in the British Columbia Chronicle 1778-1846 Adventures by Sea and Land by Helen B. and G.P.V. Akrigg a few pages concerning the HBC-RAC agreement of 1839 in regard to the RAC leasing the mainland of the Panhandle to the HBC in return for a supply of foodstuffs and other considerations. Please see the relevant section on my BC & Pacific Northwest resources sandbox. Skookum1 23:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
This pdf is from the NY Times archives online and is a Department of State document describing the known fur posts of the Russian American Company". Seems useful in terms of expanding/adding/creating articles and a Category:Russian-American Company posts category. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
There's a link to an article Sipes wrote that was published in England in History Today magazine
The Russian name (Под высочаиший Его Императорского Величества Покровительство Российский-Американский Компаний) is the pure rubbish. Almost like "All your base are belong to us". Do anyone have the cited book "The Russian-American Company" of Richard A.Pierce (1984) for fact checking? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.114.236.145 ( talk) 06:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
This name is a mistranslation from English into Russian. I removed it.21:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC) UeArtemis ( talk)
The above information is incorrect. The Russian name (Под высочаиший Его Императорского Величества Покровительство Российский-Американский Компаний) comes directly from the Company's Great Seal which was kept at the Company's headquarters in St.Petersburg and was distributed to all posts for use within Russian-America. A pictoral example can be found on the reverse of the various denominations of the Company's bank notes with the wording in abbreviated form.(please see http://www.numismondo.com/pm/aka/) Please refer to "The Russian-America Company", page 32,and "The Destiny of Russian America" by A.I.Alekseev (The Limestone Press, 1990) page 116. If you do not have access to these volumes, do not refer to their contents as "pure rubbish". I have re-instated the correct name for the Company. Ltkizhi ( talk) 22:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Men, you don't know Russian ^_^ "Под Высочайшим Его Императорского Величества Покровительством Российская Американская Компания" is the right name. "Под высочаиший Его Императорского Величества Покровительство Российский-Американский Компаний" is a real pure rubbish like "All your base are belong to us". UeArtemis ( talk) 09:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the correction of the Russian grammar. In return I will correct your English: "Under His Highest Imperial Majesty's Protection Russian-American Company" I have edited it so in the article. Ltkizhi ( talk) 21:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC) OK, but I made a mistake. it is the "Highest Protection", not the "Highest His Imperial Majesty". I will fix it. UeArtemis ( talk) 22:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
The flag illustrated by nuclearvacum is incorrect, or at least has no basis in historic reference. A better illustration would be the original painting of the flag from the decree of 1806 establishing the flag by Imperial decree: An image can be found in a fairly exhaustive article on the flag's history at: http://www.fortrossinterpretive.org/.../History%20of%20the%20RAC%20flag%20coloroptimized.pdf - ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ltkizhi ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I have replaced nuclearvacum's illustration with an historic flag taken from the Imperial Russian Government's "Album of Standards, Flags and Pennants, used in the Russian Empire. 1835 (Флаг Российско-Американской Компании. Источник: "Собрание Штандартов, Флагов и Вымпелов, употребляемых в Российской империи". 1835)"
I have replaced nuclearvacum's flag again, and will continue to do so, as the continued insertion of his design in preference to an original, historic illustration from the time period (1806) amounts to "vandalism". His version is more than incorrect; it is wrong. The spelling of the Company's name is wrong, details (poorly rendered) on crowns and in the design are wrong, and the overall effect of modern computer rendering is incompatable with an historic flag when an original illustration is available. It would be a service to Wikipedia readers to remove all references to nuclearvacum's design( Ltkizhi ( talk) 15:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC))
Here to do some other fixes, and while reading realized there's no mention of the initial destruction of Sitka by the Tlingit in ... 1802? Maybe I missed it, but it's a "signal event" and should be here for sure. Skookum1 ( talk) 09:39, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Wondering about the various '-ised' endings I'm seeing; even the "British" sources here (British Columbian that is) use the North American -ized......and certainly the American cites do. Not sure about any translated versions of the Russian materials, such as there are. No reason to use {{ Canadian English}} template here, but its US equivalent seems appropriate, rather than so-called "global usage" UK English. Skookum1 ( talk) 09:45, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to get into an edit war over this matter. It seems redundant to refer to the spotty interest in the Columbia/Puget Sound as specifically Pacific Northwest. Oregon Country is the only generic regional name I am aware of, though you seem to take offense at it Skookum. I wont accept PNW though, given that Alaska is obvious a part of that region. I'm open to something besides Oregon Country, but PNW is simply silly. Voltaire's Vaquero ( talk) 07:02, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
In the same sense the border of Russian America may have at one point been claimed a large expanse south of Alaska, California could have been claimed by the Spanish areas well beyond what they colonised. Given that they barely made any colonies in San Francisco Bay, let alone anywhere north other than Vancouver Is. and Neah Bay, I don't see why it should be an issue to use "Californias". Case closed in my mind. Voltaire's Vaquero ( talk) 18:57, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Is this flag-map historical? It is in Wikimedia Commons from 2012, but now only 3 userboxes use it:
Perhaps, it be useful for this article? Or, on contrary, it is globally harmful?
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For the interest of anyone contributing to this page, I have copied into a sandbox page a passage in the British Columbia Chronicle 1778-1846 Adventures by Sea and Land by Helen B. and G.P.V. Akrigg a few pages concerning the HBC-RAC agreement of 1839 in regard to the RAC leasing the mainland of the Panhandle to the HBC in return for a supply of foodstuffs and other considerations. Please see the relevant section on my BC & Pacific Northwest resources sandbox. Skookum1 23:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
This pdf is from the NY Times archives online and is a Department of State document describing the known fur posts of the Russian American Company". Seems useful in terms of expanding/adding/creating articles and a Category:Russian-American Company posts category. Skookum1 ( talk) 17:13, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
There's a link to an article Sipes wrote that was published in England in History Today magazine
The Russian name (Под высочаиший Его Императорского Величества Покровительство Российский-Американский Компаний) is the pure rubbish. Almost like "All your base are belong to us". Do anyone have the cited book "The Russian-American Company" of Richard A.Pierce (1984) for fact checking? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.114.236.145 ( talk) 06:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
This name is a mistranslation from English into Russian. I removed it.21:13, 7 March 2010 (UTC) UeArtemis ( talk)
The above information is incorrect. The Russian name (Под высочаиший Его Императорского Величества Покровительство Российский-Американский Компаний) comes directly from the Company's Great Seal which was kept at the Company's headquarters in St.Petersburg and was distributed to all posts for use within Russian-America. A pictoral example can be found on the reverse of the various denominations of the Company's bank notes with the wording in abbreviated form.(please see http://www.numismondo.com/pm/aka/) Please refer to "The Russian-America Company", page 32,and "The Destiny of Russian America" by A.I.Alekseev (The Limestone Press, 1990) page 116. If you do not have access to these volumes, do not refer to their contents as "pure rubbish". I have re-instated the correct name for the Company. Ltkizhi ( talk) 22:07, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
Men, you don't know Russian ^_^ "Под Высочайшим Его Императорского Величества Покровительством Российская Американская Компания" is the right name. "Под высочаиший Его Императорского Величества Покровительство Российский-Американский Компаний" is a real pure rubbish like "All your base are belong to us". UeArtemis ( talk) 09:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
Thank you for the correction of the Russian grammar. In return I will correct your English: "Under His Highest Imperial Majesty's Protection Russian-American Company" I have edited it so in the article. Ltkizhi ( talk) 21:00, 11 March 2010 (UTC) OK, but I made a mistake. it is the "Highest Protection", not the "Highest His Imperial Majesty". I will fix it. UeArtemis ( talk) 22:38, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
The flag illustrated by nuclearvacum is incorrect, or at least has no basis in historic reference. A better illustration would be the original painting of the flag from the decree of 1806 establishing the flag by Imperial decree: An image can be found in a fairly exhaustive article on the flag's history at: http://www.fortrossinterpretive.org/.../History%20of%20the%20RAC%20flag%20coloroptimized.pdf - ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ltkizhi ( talk • contribs) 01:30, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
I have replaced nuclearvacum's illustration with an historic flag taken from the Imperial Russian Government's "Album of Standards, Flags and Pennants, used in the Russian Empire. 1835 (Флаг Российско-Американской Компании. Источник: "Собрание Штандартов, Флагов и Вымпелов, употребляемых в Российской империи". 1835)"
I have replaced nuclearvacum's flag again, and will continue to do so, as the continued insertion of his design in preference to an original, historic illustration from the time period (1806) amounts to "vandalism". His version is more than incorrect; it is wrong. The spelling of the Company's name is wrong, details (poorly rendered) on crowns and in the design are wrong, and the overall effect of modern computer rendering is incompatable with an historic flag when an original illustration is available. It would be a service to Wikipedia readers to remove all references to nuclearvacum's design( Ltkizhi ( talk) 15:24, 26 March 2015 (UTC))
Here to do some other fixes, and while reading realized there's no mention of the initial destruction of Sitka by the Tlingit in ... 1802? Maybe I missed it, but it's a "signal event" and should be here for sure. Skookum1 ( talk) 09:39, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
Wondering about the various '-ised' endings I'm seeing; even the "British" sources here (British Columbian that is) use the North American -ized......and certainly the American cites do. Not sure about any translated versions of the Russian materials, such as there are. No reason to use {{ Canadian English}} template here, but its US equivalent seems appropriate, rather than so-called "global usage" UK English. Skookum1 ( talk) 09:45, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to get into an edit war over this matter. It seems redundant to refer to the spotty interest in the Columbia/Puget Sound as specifically Pacific Northwest. Oregon Country is the only generic regional name I am aware of, though you seem to take offense at it Skookum. I wont accept PNW though, given that Alaska is obvious a part of that region. I'm open to something besides Oregon Country, but PNW is simply silly. Voltaire's Vaquero ( talk) 07:02, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
In the same sense the border of Russian America may have at one point been claimed a large expanse south of Alaska, California could have been claimed by the Spanish areas well beyond what they colonised. Given that they barely made any colonies in San Francisco Bay, let alone anywhere north other than Vancouver Is. and Neah Bay, I don't see why it should be an issue to use "Californias". Case closed in my mind. Voltaire's Vaquero ( talk) 18:57, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Is this flag-map historical? It is in Wikimedia Commons from 2012, but now only 3 userboxes use it:
Perhaps, it be useful for this article? Or, on contrary, it is globally harmful?
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