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@ Fragrant Peony: recently published this edit, which effectively reverted my edit. When I reverted the page to my edit, he proceeded to revert it back to his preferred edit. I am writing here to explain the motivation behind my preferred edit, to try and seek a resolution to this dispute via Consensus, despite Fragrant Peony's ad hominem attacks against me and bad faith characterization of my edits as "vandalism."
First, I would like to note that all my change did was revert the changes introduced by an anonymous User in this change and this change. The effects of these changes were to modify the long-standing introductory sentence from
Rushdy Saiid Baghdadi Abaza ( Egyptian Arabic: رشدي سعيد بغدادي أباظة) (3 August 1926 – 27 July 1980) was an Egyptian film and television actor of Circassian origin.
to
Rushdy Saiid Baghdadi Abaza ( Egyptian Arabic: رشدي سعيد بغدادي أباظة) (3 August 1926 – 27 July 1980) was an Egyptian.
There are several reasons this edit made no sense, which should be obvious, not least that the sentence does not state the main thing this individual is actually famous for, namely, acting.
All my change did was revert the article to the previous state of affairs prior to the vandalistic edits by this anonymous user. Given that Wikipedia articles reflect Consensus, it can be safely inferred that no one really had an issue with the state of affairs of this article until the anonymous user introduced their edit.
The first thing I would like to note is that Fragrant Peony's revision changed the first sentence into the following, which besides not being a valid, grammatical sentence by the usual, accepted standards of formal, written English, clearly violates Manual of Style:
Rushdy Saiid Baghdadi Abaza ( Egyptian Arabic: رشدي سعيد بغدادي أباظة) (3 August 1926 – 27 July 1980) was an Egyptian film and television actor was considered one of the most charming actors in the Egyptian film industry.
This edit shows that the user is not interested in constructively editing Wikipedia but rather is likely making poorly thought out edits because of an axe to grind- more on this later.
In their edit summary, Fragrant Peony makes three claims.
The first is that they were "clean[ing] up spamming." I would like to assert that I strongly rebuke this libelous characterization of my edit as "spamming," when in fact the changes I effected were themselves intended to counter the "spamming" edits of an anonymous user, especially since Fragrant Peony's own change made the first sentence ungrammatical.
Second, it asserts that "This his has nothing to do with lead section." But in fact there is ample precedent for including the ethnic origin of a person in the lead of their Wikipedia articles. Here are two random examples: Rexhep Krasniqi, Yusuf Agha.
Third, it asserts that the source is unreliable because it is from YouTube. First of all, something being on YouTube does not make it inherently unreliable. Second, the Circassian origin of the Abaza family is extremely well documented; refer to that page for more citations if you so desire. The literal meaning of the family name denotes "someone from Abkhazia" in Arabic.
If Fragrant Peony wishes to update the lead to include a more reliable source, please do so, but there is no reason to delete the reference to his ancestry altogether. As mentioned earlier, I suspect Fragrant Peony has an axe to grind, probably motivated by some nationalist sentiment. The main reason for my suspicions is that they have repeatedly characterized my edits as vandalism in complete bad faith, for the reasons explained above. This suggests they are uninterested in actually discussing the content of this page but would rather shut down discussion by making spurious accusations of vandalism, which indicates they have a prejudice or bias that makes them refuse to even consider the other position.
( talk) 20:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Recent edits have added the text "of Circassian origin" to the introduction of the article, based on the following source: حصلنا على لقب أباظة من خلال سيدة شركسية
Here are the salient points on which consensus must be reached:
I encourage editors to discuss matters related to this content and supporting sources here. — C.Fred ( talk) 01:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Rushdy Saiid Bughdadi Abaza ( Egyptian Arabic: رشدي سعيد بغدادي أباظة) (3 August 1926 – 27 July 1980) was an Egyptian film and television actor. [1] He was considered one of the most charming actors in the Egyptian film industry. He died of brain cancer at the age of 53. [1]
Brusquedandelion ( talk) 01:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Rushdy Abaza was born in Sharqia, Egypt, to an Italian mother, Teresa Luigi, and an Egyptian father, Said Abaza, who belonged to one of Egypt's most well-known families, the Circassian-origin Abaza family. [1] Rushdy attended school at Collège Saint Marc in Alexandria. [1]
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@ Fragrant Peony: recently published this edit, which effectively reverted my edit. When I reverted the page to my edit, he proceeded to revert it back to his preferred edit. I am writing here to explain the motivation behind my preferred edit, to try and seek a resolution to this dispute via Consensus, despite Fragrant Peony's ad hominem attacks against me and bad faith characterization of my edits as "vandalism."
First, I would like to note that all my change did was revert the changes introduced by an anonymous User in this change and this change. The effects of these changes were to modify the long-standing introductory sentence from
Rushdy Saiid Baghdadi Abaza ( Egyptian Arabic: رشدي سعيد بغدادي أباظة) (3 August 1926 – 27 July 1980) was an Egyptian film and television actor of Circassian origin.
to
Rushdy Saiid Baghdadi Abaza ( Egyptian Arabic: رشدي سعيد بغدادي أباظة) (3 August 1926 – 27 July 1980) was an Egyptian.
There are several reasons this edit made no sense, which should be obvious, not least that the sentence does not state the main thing this individual is actually famous for, namely, acting.
All my change did was revert the article to the previous state of affairs prior to the vandalistic edits by this anonymous user. Given that Wikipedia articles reflect Consensus, it can be safely inferred that no one really had an issue with the state of affairs of this article until the anonymous user introduced their edit.
The first thing I would like to note is that Fragrant Peony's revision changed the first sentence into the following, which besides not being a valid, grammatical sentence by the usual, accepted standards of formal, written English, clearly violates Manual of Style:
Rushdy Saiid Baghdadi Abaza ( Egyptian Arabic: رشدي سعيد بغدادي أباظة) (3 August 1926 – 27 July 1980) was an Egyptian film and television actor was considered one of the most charming actors in the Egyptian film industry.
This edit shows that the user is not interested in constructively editing Wikipedia but rather is likely making poorly thought out edits because of an axe to grind- more on this later.
In their edit summary, Fragrant Peony makes three claims.
The first is that they were "clean[ing] up spamming." I would like to assert that I strongly rebuke this libelous characterization of my edit as "spamming," when in fact the changes I effected were themselves intended to counter the "spamming" edits of an anonymous user, especially since Fragrant Peony's own change made the first sentence ungrammatical.
Second, it asserts that "This his has nothing to do with lead section." But in fact there is ample precedent for including the ethnic origin of a person in the lead of their Wikipedia articles. Here are two random examples: Rexhep Krasniqi, Yusuf Agha.
Third, it asserts that the source is unreliable because it is from YouTube. First of all, something being on YouTube does not make it inherently unreliable. Second, the Circassian origin of the Abaza family is extremely well documented; refer to that page for more citations if you so desire. The literal meaning of the family name denotes "someone from Abkhazia" in Arabic.
If Fragrant Peony wishes to update the lead to include a more reliable source, please do so, but there is no reason to delete the reference to his ancestry altogether. As mentioned earlier, I suspect Fragrant Peony has an axe to grind, probably motivated by some nationalist sentiment. The main reason for my suspicions is that they have repeatedly characterized my edits as vandalism in complete bad faith, for the reasons explained above. This suggests they are uninterested in actually discussing the content of this page but would rather shut down discussion by making spurious accusations of vandalism, which indicates they have a prejudice or bias that makes them refuse to even consider the other position.
( talk) 20:56, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
Recent edits have added the text "of Circassian origin" to the introduction of the article, based on the following source: حصلنا على لقب أباظة من خلال سيدة شركسية
Here are the salient points on which consensus must be reached:
I encourage editors to discuss matters related to this content and supporting sources here. — C.Fred ( talk) 01:40, 5 December 2023 (UTC)
Rushdy Saiid Bughdadi Abaza ( Egyptian Arabic: رشدي سعيد بغدادي أباظة) (3 August 1926 – 27 July 1980) was an Egyptian film and television actor. [1] He was considered one of the most charming actors in the Egyptian film industry. He died of brain cancer at the age of 53. [1]
Brusquedandelion ( talk) 01:55, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Rushdy Abaza was born in Sharqia, Egypt, to an Italian mother, Teresa Luigi, and an Egyptian father, Said Abaza, who belonged to one of Egypt's most well-known families, the Circassian-origin Abaza family. [1] Rushdy attended school at Collège Saint Marc in Alexandria. [1]