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Dupe with Ruck (Australian Rules football)
I guess the other one should be deleted, since it has no content and this one does.
Also, ruck vs ruckman? Google shows the terms are about equally frequent. I think Ruck should be used as a gender neutral term. I even have a nice picture of rucks, but they're certainly not men. :)
cheers -- pfctdayelise ( translate?) 12:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with your discussion and arguement, although I think that it is better if the two pages be merged. Thoughts anyone?-- Alza08 ( talk) 08:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
- There was no referenced content in Ruck (Australian rules football) and therefore nothing mergable, so I just turned it into a redirect. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 15:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Ruckman (Australian rules football) → Ruck (Australian rules football) – Gender neutral term appropriate with MOS:GNL, having the professional AFL Women's competition and general use is moving towards "ruck". Also in the article, the lede begins "ruckman or ruckwoman" and the article title should reflect that. SuperJew ( talk) 11:48, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support per the Manual of Style's preference for gender-neutral language where possible. – Tera tix ₵ 14:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per common name.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
14:35, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- @
Randy Kryn: Do you have evidence for your argument of common name? --
SuperJew (
talk)
21:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe someone can do an n-gram comparison. I just know that the page
has been named Ruckman since December of 2005. This seems like changing the name of
Shortstop in American baseball because of a perceived height prejudice.
Here's a link to the Collins dictionary which uses the name.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
21:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- As I said (perhaps I wasn't clear enough in the beginning), I think this change should reflect the changing use of terminology, which is happening a lot because of the professional AFL Women's league, which started in 2017 professionally and is increasing in size, length, crowds, importance, and quality. -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:32, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- The Collins dictionary also uses the name
ruck. It's a dictionary and defines given words, doesn't mention common usage. --
SuperJew (
talk)
21:34, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Collins' mention of 'Ruck' is for the situation not the position, and this nom is for the position not the situation so 'Ruck' might not work as it is changing the topic (unless I'm missing something). What does the AFL women's league call it? I couldn't work through their official site. Thanks for the follow-ups.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
21:44, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Based off the official website(s) they seem to call them a ruck player or simply just a ruck, when listing a player's position. For example, Celine Moody is simply listed as just a ruck on the Western Bulldogs Official Website, as is her AFL counterpart, Stefan Martin. [1]. Doggo375 ( talk) 23:52, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Collins' mention of 'Ruck' is for the situation not the position, and this nom is for the position not the situation so 'Ruck' might not work as it is changing the topic (unless I'm missing something). What does the AFL women's league call it? I couldn't work through their official site. Thanks for the follow-ups.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
21:44, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe someone can do an n-gram comparison. I just know that the page
has been named Ruckman since December of 2005. This seems like changing the name of
Shortstop in American baseball because of a perceived height prejudice.
Here's a link to the Collins dictionary which uses the name.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
21:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- @
Randy Kryn: Do you have evidence for your argument of common name? --
SuperJew (
talk)
21:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support per MOS:GNL, on top of the fact that the official websites seem to use the term 'ruck' over 'ruckman' for both men's and women's players now. Doggo375 ( talk) 23:56, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
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Dupe with Ruck (Australian Rules football)
I guess the other one should be deleted, since it has no content and this one does.
Also, ruck vs ruckman? Google shows the terms are about equally frequent. I think Ruck should be used as a gender neutral term. I even have a nice picture of rucks, but they're certainly not men. :)
cheers -- pfctdayelise ( translate?) 12:01, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree with your discussion and arguement, although I think that it is better if the two pages be merged. Thoughts anyone?-- Alza08 ( talk) 08:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
- There was no referenced content in Ruck (Australian rules football) and therefore nothing mergable, so I just turned it into a redirect. Jenks24 ( talk) 08:57, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 15:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
Ruckman (Australian rules football) → Ruck (Australian rules football) – Gender neutral term appropriate with MOS:GNL, having the professional AFL Women's competition and general use is moving towards "ruck". Also in the article, the lede begins "ruckman or ruckwoman" and the article title should reflect that. SuperJew ( talk) 11:48, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support per the Manual of Style's preference for gender-neutral language where possible. – Tera tix ₵ 14:33, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Oppose per common name.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
14:35, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- @
Randy Kryn: Do you have evidence for your argument of common name? --
SuperJew (
talk)
21:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe someone can do an n-gram comparison. I just know that the page
has been named Ruckman since December of 2005. This seems like changing the name of
Shortstop in American baseball because of a perceived height prejudice.
Here's a link to the Collins dictionary which uses the name.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
21:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- As I said (perhaps I wasn't clear enough in the beginning), I think this change should reflect the changing use of terminology, which is happening a lot because of the professional AFL Women's league, which started in 2017 professionally and is increasing in size, length, crowds, importance, and quality. -- SuperJew ( talk) 21:32, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- The Collins dictionary also uses the name
ruck. It's a dictionary and defines given words, doesn't mention common usage. --
SuperJew (
talk)
21:34, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Collins' mention of 'Ruck' is for the situation not the position, and this nom is for the position not the situation so 'Ruck' might not work as it is changing the topic (unless I'm missing something). What does the AFL women's league call it? I couldn't work through their official site. Thanks for the follow-ups.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
21:44, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Based off the official website(s) they seem to call them a ruck player or simply just a ruck, when listing a player's position. For example, Celine Moody is simply listed as just a ruck on the Western Bulldogs Official Website, as is her AFL counterpart, Stefan Martin. [1]. Doggo375 ( talk) 23:52, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Collins' mention of 'Ruck' is for the situation not the position, and this nom is for the position not the situation so 'Ruck' might not work as it is changing the topic (unless I'm missing something). What does the AFL women's league call it? I couldn't work through their official site. Thanks for the follow-ups.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
21:44, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Maybe someone can do an n-gram comparison. I just know that the page
has been named Ruckman since December of 2005. This seems like changing the name of
Shortstop in American baseball because of a perceived height prejudice.
Here's a link to the Collins dictionary which uses the name.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
21:27, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- @
Randy Kryn: Do you have evidence for your argument of common name? --
SuperJew (
talk)
21:23, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support per MOS:GNL, on top of the fact that the official websites seem to use the term 'ruck' over 'ruckman' for both men's and women's players now. Doggo375 ( talk) 23:56, 2 June 2021 (UTC)