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The theatre has dropped the Royal from its name in the last couple of years; when Hytner took over from Nunn, IIRC. Thus the article needs moving (back?) to "National Theatre (UK)" and the links (100+) altered in accordance. Sorry! Philip Cross 23:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Those that work at the National Theatre prefer not to include the Royal. That is the title the public is asked to write out checks to, thus that is the title. Also, the NT only covers England, since Scotland, Wales an Ireland all have their own National Theatres.
Just wanted to add my two pence - The Official title of the theatre, both the venue and the company, is Royal National Theatre, as is it registered with the Charities Commission, and even though it has at times gone by other names and nicknames, National Theatre, The NT, The National etc, the one thing that is not likely to change with fluctuations in branding policy is its royal title. Also, as far as I can tell there are no other 'Royal' National Theatres in the world. And I thought I'd head off any comments about the country becoming a republic and making my point invalid, there are a number of organisations in the Ireland that still use the title 'Royal' that were granted before independence. Quee1797 ( talk) 17:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
There was discussion in the 1960s over whether to apply for a Royal charter, and the decision was taken not to do so. I believe it was under Richard Eyre that the charter was applied for and won, so in discussing the National Theatre's origins, and its present universally-used name, National Theatre is more accurate. It would not be inappropriate to record the historical footnote of its brief flirtation with RNT as a name, but to entitle the article Royal National Theatre is not helpful. Barnabas Calder, 8 May 2014 — Preceding
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This was intended to be the NT's Christmas show for 2003, with the first public performance on 4 December 2003 and the press night on 20 Dec 2003. Because of technical problems with the revolve, the first public performance was 14 December 2003. The press night was then arranged for 3 January 2004. Does this make it a 2003 or 2004 show? -- Old Moonraker 10:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the article could benefit from a section on the studio, especially seeing as it's quite an unusual scheme (which is encouraged to be brought out in WP's notability guidelines, right?), and seems to affect quite a lot of the theatre's output. Just thought i'm put this ina advance of going to do some research (it's not something i feel i could write about off the top of my head...), but i thought there might be some knowledgable people watching the page, who might like to make a start, or list some ideas for what such a section might include. Amo 21:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
It's probably missed out by sheer embarrassment, but the idea of a National Theatre was first mooted in 1848; and the foundation stone of this building was laid in 1951 (it's now in the foyer, so could even get a photo). I added a note about the "National Theatre Company", which first emerged in 1963. I'll try and get around to writing a para, or two, when I have time. The article shouldn't just concentrate on the building, it should provide a précis of the history of the idea and the company.
Also, the issue of notability of the productions listed is a bit dodgy - they should probably be ref'd to prizes, premières, etc. In order to demonstrate notability - otherwise, it's a bit subjective. cheers Kbthompson ( talk) 17:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
None of these supposed productions are either dated or cited. They are just hanging there in the article for no discernable reason. Wikipedia is not an advertisement or an announcement propaganda, and if the productions are not cited or dated, per WP:CRYSTAL, they must be deleted. Anyone who wants to know what is playing or planned at the NT can click the Official Site in the external links. Softlavender ( talk) 00:21, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
The article National Theatre Live has no references to third-party sources which demonstrate its notability. I propose, therefore, that its contents be merged into this article, probably in greatly condensed form. NotFromUtrecht ( talk) 16:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
The list of forthcoming productions was actually a list of things in the past, so I merged this into the list of notable post-2003 productions and took out a couple that were not notable enough to have their own entries. -- Agarpp ( talk) 15:36, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to be a pedant, but is the Royal Opera House a Theatre company (opening sentences of this article)? I know ROH is one of the mega-funded organisations in the UK (opera being inherently expensive), but is it Theatre? If so why not ballet or other performing arts? I would definitely think NT & RSC would qualify as two most prominent, by most criteria, but perhaps distinction needs to be made between Theatre companies and funding recipients.
PS re: the name issue above, my understanding was that 'Royal' was added to the title for international consumption/prestige, presumably to distinguish it from all the other NT's around the world. It always seemed a bit silly to me and never really 'caught on' as a title in the UK. Pincrete ( talk) 00:46, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Here's a useful article: http://moreintelligentlife.com/story/national-theatre?page=full. Softlavender ( talk) 00:48, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
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I edited this article to add a separate "In popular culture" section, incorporating dialogue from the popular BBC series "Yes, Minister" which mentions the National Theatre and its architectural style. This was reverted as "massively trivial and insignificant". I beg to differ. The building's architectural style is deserving of comment, and controversy about it is already noted in the article's section "The National Theatre building and forecourt". Would the Wikipedia community be agreeable with mentioning the "Yes, Minister" dialogue in the same section as Prince Charles' comments? glasperlenspiel ( talk) 19:22, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Not moved. bd2412 T 20:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Royal National Theatre → National Theatre (London) – "Royal" is in its formal title and Charity Commission registration (see bottom of its webpage) but is never used in any other context: see their own annual review where they use "The National" and "The National Theatre". "Royal National Theatre" could be in any country with a monarch and is unhelpful. The common name is " National Theatre", which needs to be disambiguated: "(London)" is appropriate. When this was discussed in 2006 the "Contact us" info was noted to be "Royal National Theatre, South Bank, London, SE1 9PX". Today it says "National Theatre, Upper Ground, South Bank, London SE1 9PX". Pam D 19:27, 24 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. James ( talk/ contribs) 09:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
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The theatre has dropped the Royal from its name in the last couple of years; when Hytner took over from Nunn, IIRC. Thus the article needs moving (back?) to "National Theatre (UK)" and the links (100+) altered in accordance. Sorry! Philip Cross 23:35, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
Those that work at the National Theatre prefer not to include the Royal. That is the title the public is asked to write out checks to, thus that is the title. Also, the NT only covers England, since Scotland, Wales an Ireland all have their own National Theatres.
Just wanted to add my two pence - The Official title of the theatre, both the venue and the company, is Royal National Theatre, as is it registered with the Charities Commission, and even though it has at times gone by other names and nicknames, National Theatre, The NT, The National etc, the one thing that is not likely to change with fluctuations in branding policy is its royal title. Also, as far as I can tell there are no other 'Royal' National Theatres in the world. And I thought I'd head off any comments about the country becoming a republic and making my point invalid, there are a number of organisations in the Ireland that still use the title 'Royal' that were granted before independence. Quee1797 ( talk) 17:13, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
There was discussion in the 1960s over whether to apply for a Royal charter, and the decision was taken not to do so. I believe it was under Richard Eyre that the charter was applied for and won, so in discussing the National Theatre's origins, and its present universally-used name, National Theatre is more accurate. It would not be inappropriate to record the historical footnote of its brief flirtation with RNT as a name, but to entitle the article Royal National Theatre is not helpful. Barnabas Calder, 8 May 2014 — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
138.253.46.90 (
talk)
17:00, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
This was intended to be the NT's Christmas show for 2003, with the first public performance on 4 December 2003 and the press night on 20 Dec 2003. Because of technical problems with the revolve, the first public performance was 14 December 2003. The press night was then arranged for 3 January 2004. Does this make it a 2003 or 2004 show? -- Old Moonraker 10:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
I think the article could benefit from a section on the studio, especially seeing as it's quite an unusual scheme (which is encouraged to be brought out in WP's notability guidelines, right?), and seems to affect quite a lot of the theatre's output. Just thought i'm put this ina advance of going to do some research (it's not something i feel i could write about off the top of my head...), but i thought there might be some knowledgable people watching the page, who might like to make a start, or list some ideas for what such a section might include. Amo 21:41, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
It's probably missed out by sheer embarrassment, but the idea of a National Theatre was first mooted in 1848; and the foundation stone of this building was laid in 1951 (it's now in the foyer, so could even get a photo). I added a note about the "National Theatre Company", which first emerged in 1963. I'll try and get around to writing a para, or two, when I have time. The article shouldn't just concentrate on the building, it should provide a précis of the history of the idea and the company.
Also, the issue of notability of the productions listed is a bit dodgy - they should probably be ref'd to prizes, premières, etc. In order to demonstrate notability - otherwise, it's a bit subjective. cheers Kbthompson ( talk) 17:40, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
None of these supposed productions are either dated or cited. They are just hanging there in the article for no discernable reason. Wikipedia is not an advertisement or an announcement propaganda, and if the productions are not cited or dated, per WP:CRYSTAL, they must be deleted. Anyone who wants to know what is playing or planned at the NT can click the Official Site in the external links. Softlavender ( talk) 00:21, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
The article National Theatre Live has no references to third-party sources which demonstrate its notability. I propose, therefore, that its contents be merged into this article, probably in greatly condensed form. NotFromUtrecht ( talk) 16:37, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
The list of forthcoming productions was actually a list of things in the past, so I merged this into the list of notable post-2003 productions and took out a couple that were not notable enough to have their own entries. -- Agarpp ( talk) 15:36, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry to be a pedant, but is the Royal Opera House a Theatre company (opening sentences of this article)? I know ROH is one of the mega-funded organisations in the UK (opera being inherently expensive), but is it Theatre? If so why not ballet or other performing arts? I would definitely think NT & RSC would qualify as two most prominent, by most criteria, but perhaps distinction needs to be made between Theatre companies and funding recipients.
PS re: the name issue above, my understanding was that 'Royal' was added to the title for international consumption/prestige, presumably to distinguish it from all the other NT's around the world. It always seemed a bit silly to me and never really 'caught on' as a title in the UK. Pincrete ( talk) 00:46, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Here's a useful article: http://moreintelligentlife.com/story/national-theatre?page=full. Softlavender ( talk) 00:48, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
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I edited this article to add a separate "In popular culture" section, incorporating dialogue from the popular BBC series "Yes, Minister" which mentions the National Theatre and its architectural style. This was reverted as "massively trivial and insignificant". I beg to differ. The building's architectural style is deserving of comment, and controversy about it is already noted in the article's section "The National Theatre building and forecourt". Would the Wikipedia community be agreeable with mentioning the "Yes, Minister" dialogue in the same section as Prince Charles' comments? glasperlenspiel ( talk) 19:22, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
Not moved. bd2412 T 20:18, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Royal National Theatre → National Theatre (London) – "Royal" is in its formal title and Charity Commission registration (see bottom of its webpage) but is never used in any other context: see their own annual review where they use "The National" and "The National Theatre". "Royal National Theatre" could be in any country with a monarch and is unhelpful. The common name is " National Theatre", which needs to be disambiguated: "(London)" is appropriate. When this was discussed in 2006 the "Contact us" info was noted to be "Royal National Theatre, South Bank, London, SE1 9PX". Today it says "National Theatre, Upper Ground, South Bank, London SE1 9PX". Pam D 19:27, 24 November 2017 (UTC) --Relisting. James ( talk/ contribs) 09:54, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
"national theatre" london -"royal national theatre"
and "royal national theatre"
; the difference is even more marked when searching on "News" only, ie current common usage.
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