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Roy Page? The Maths teacher? He was teaching back in 75 when I first went to the Grammar School and though he never taught me I remember him from supervising the lunches. I assume it is the same person as he was a young man then. Indeed I hope that is the case, as RP Brown, headmaster durung my time, came to the school as headmaster and was far too remote. Doubtless the site page will confirm or deny my suspicions, SqueakBox 15:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
One and the same. In my opinion a good man for the job, very "with it". ZoFreX 19:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I do agree about a good man for the job. I guess he must only have been in his late twenties when I knew him (from 75) though I had imagined he was much older but "with it" is a good description as is humorous. I just never saw him as headmaster material, perhaps because he was so young. I was clearly wrong, SqueakBox 14:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
"Roy Page, Former Senior Deputy Headmaster, who is currently Acting Headmaster, while Mr. Dingle is on leave." - source / confirmation anyone? ZoFreX 08:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
The new section on Dr. Wolfe is slightly misleading, in that the Government eventually backed down and said that a short assessment would be all that is required to obtain Qualified Teacher Status in his circumstances. (See bottom two sections of this BBC News Article)-- Chrisd87 10:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I can't find this Daily Mail article and the Mail online appears ignorant of it. Please source and we can replace it, until then I have removed it as a possible spoof, SqueakBox 14:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Source article was in the Daily Mail, Saturday 4th February 2006, Pages 8-9, but was not made available online. The school has however responded to it with a press statement, suggesting authenticity. -- Chrisd87 15:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I can confirm that the articles really appeared in the Daily Mail on Saturday 4th February 2006, I have scans I can show a mod or whatever but obviously cannot make them publicly available. For now I'm reinstating the section, because I know that the article appeared and I can prove it. Edit: Also a smidgen of information from the local newspaper free press ZoFreX 18:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I changed the Bucks Free Press citation as the edit (allegations echoed by local paper) and what was before (allegations being investigated by LEA) are both factually inaccurate. ZoFreX 00:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It may interest people to have a look at [1] from the RGS website. (It also answers your question about Roy Page, ZoFreX)-- Chrisd87 02:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Which I have added as good NPOVing of the whole allegations, ie giving a balanced portrayal, SqueakBox 17:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted the edit of 16:14, 12 May 2006 by 84.92.84.138 in which this person added Dr. James Bunyard - Famous surgeon to the list of notable alumni. James Bunyard was in fact an alias used by Mr Dingle. See, for example, the article in The Bucks Free Press which includes:
The allegations were made by 35-year-old Nicky Barr, who claimed Mr Dingle had snorted cocaine at parties and wooed her by pretending to be a top London surgeon called James Bunyard.
I like your sense of humour, 84.92.84.138, but unfortunately the truth must prevail...
Euchiasmus 20:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the link to the boarding house picture as it went to a 403 error. Does anyone have or know of a valid link or picture? -- Chrisd87 21:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
This article could really be better. Pictures? Structure? Anyway, I'm an old boy.. 2005. 'Twas fun. The best of schools. That dingle story had me in hysterics. -- Alfakim -- talk 02:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Well as a slightly older old boy (1981, before you were born!) I am too far from the RGS to go back and take some photos but if you were to take some (esp of the clocktower) we could indeed publish them, you would just need to upload the files. Glad you liked the school (I hated it) and can understand why the Dingle story got you in hysterics, certainly RP Brown was the epitome of respectability and Dingle sounded like he failed miserably in following in his footsteps, SqueakBox 14:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Please do the {{ cite web}} calls by using params "url" and "title". Also "accessdate" should be specified (is a required param). -- Ligulem 17:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Question: why was Mark Oldknow removed from the section on notable alumni? There seems to be no reason given for this
Because he doesn't have an article, hence not notable enough, SqueakBox 14:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Needs sourcing as Dim Tingle is obviously a piss take of Tim Dingle, and a fairly crude one, and hence without proper sourcing it must be removed. If it were a real mascot it would predate the extremely recent Dingle episode and this character clearly is not worthy to be the RGS mascot, SqueakBox 14:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Removing the headmaster's title with the edit summaries "that's not how we do things here" and "we don't do that", is neither helpful nor true. Including the title conveys additional information and breaks no Wikipedia rule that I am aware of. - Scribble Monkey 07:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
We must have a reliable source for the inclusion of anyone in this list. The fact that I know that, eg, Tim Tolkein went there is not sufficient as it would be original research. I welcome the return of alumni sourced. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed the paragraph on claiming the school sued a TV show. Complete lies. The link provided showed a clip from the show, and the footage showed nothing at all like ANY building on the school's premises.
Adding to this is the fact that the school buildings are not very distinct in the first place (so would have trouble starting a lawsuit), state schools are not particularly litigious and only idiots try to sue a comedy programme... I think this is a joke that has slipped through the wikipedia editing net. 86.129.220.197 ( talk) 19:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)Atre
These are unfounded opinions, likely posted by a member of the team. The SLST is not particularly well known even within the school, and the facilities are hardly noteworthy; maybe good for a school in Bucks, but compare it to the new Hall at Hampton School or the facilities at St Pauls, to just give two examples. If no objections, I'd like to remove it Sage1314 ( talk) 20:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Objection: The team is an integral part of the school with over 40 members as well as 3 members of staff. The equiptment is of far greater quality than that of many schools and is available to any boy who wishes to partake in theatrical productions on a backstage level. It is a very well known team within the school and it can be guarenteed that if you are to ask any boy at the school who the SLST are or "stage and lighting team" they will almost definately know.
Since the departure of two members of staff very fond of the gown attire (Tim Dingle, Peter Cowburn) this has become far less of a tradition. Perhaps the article should read more along the lines of "Gowns are occasionally worn by members of staff however the tradition has slowly faded in recent years." -- 92.1.158.111 ( talk) 17:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps a complete removal of any mention of the gown as Don Wayne does not adhere to this strict "tradition"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.140.125.85 ( talk) 11:21, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
This section needs significant work.
In September 2016, the RGS distributed a set of maths questions containing "homophobic and unnecessary" comments which sparked outrage in students and parents alike [1]. The school made headlines on many news sites including the Daily Mail [2], The Sun [3] and many LGBT+ news sites [4]. It also prompted the response of several LGBT+ activist groups, many condemning the question, but a few praising RGS' actions to prevent this occurring again.
The questions were produced by a retired teacher who had left the school many years ago, however the questions were distributed by the school's maths department with seemingly no-one proof-reading them. The maths department strongly encourage students of a higher maths ability to complete these questions and the sheets are sometimes set as homework to classes, however they were not compulsory. When the mistake was noticed by students, staff quickly removed all copies from circulation where possible. However the incident quickly blew up on social media, where many outraged students complained.
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In September 2016, the RGS distributed a set of maths questions containing a homophobic comment which sparked outrage in students and parents alike [1]. The school made headlines on many news sites including the Daily Mail [2], The Sun [3] and many LGBT+ news sites [4] [5]. It also prompted the response of several LGBT+ activist groups, many condemning the question, but Stonewall in particular praising RGS' quick actions to deal with this.
The questions were produced by a retired teacher who had left the school many years ago, however the questions were distributed by the school's maths department and students of a higher maths ability were encouraged to complete these questions and the sheets (Posers in general) are sometimes set as homework to classes. When the mistake was noticed by students, staff quickly removed all copies from circulation where possible. However the incident quickly blew up on social media, where many outraged users complained [7].
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I am not happy with just shoving all the notable alumni into a cat, we should illustrate the most notable fo them, which currently includes Grayling, ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 13:57, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Who would decide who is the most notable? I would argue that Jimmy Carr is probably of equal notoriety. MattIPv4 ( talk) 07:48, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
I see the Timothy Dingle section has been restored, without addressing all of the issues I previously raised [5], for example, the drug allegations were completely unfounded, so we should not mention them, and terms such as "sacked" are not neutral, particularly when he had already left the school. Note also that the Daily Mail is now generally not accepted as a reliable source. See the RFC on this: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220#Daily_Mail_RfC Meters ( talk) 17:54, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I've restored the material I recently removed but in a more accurate version (practice material not a test, volunteer not a teacher, more detailed response). The latest version restored by the IP was better than when I first raised the issue [6] but still did not address all of the problems. I'm not convinced this belongs in the article at all, but since it was restored by yet another different editor let's at least start with an accurate version. Meters ( talk) 18:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
One using claiming COI for a few edits by a pupil 5 months ago is not sufficient justification. And we do not COI tags to warn off others frome diting as if we don't want people editing ehre. I will take this to an admin board if you persist in this deply mistaken tagging. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 16:07, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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I have uploaded the newer crest pulled from the RGSHW.com website. The version I've used only features the crown, the prominent feature of the crest.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on whether this (crown only) version should be used or the full version with the school name and date on it? MattIPv4 ( talk) 22:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone have any objections or thoughts on adding Christopher J. Date to the notable alumni section of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattIPv4 ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
SovalValtos raised the concern that the statement in the SLST section regarding providing services for the Jeans4Genes was unsourced. The current proposed sources are the team's YouTube channel playlist for the event https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL58EAE56B7ED5EA76 as well as a letter from the school's headmaster making reference to the Jeans4Genes performance https://www.rgshw.com/_site/data/files/documents/letters%20to%20parents/school%20comms/1903D12DBC48D52139312411F8544FD4.pdf - There was concern that the playlist isn't a reliable source but I believe in tandem with the letter, these are good sources for the statement? MattIPv4 ( talk) 12:42, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
The team provides lighting for school events (such as concerts and Jeans 4 Genes [1] [2]) and sound for assemblies whilst also being a prominent contributor to the school's drama scene with the annual school production, such as the March 2019 production of West Side Story. [3]
Why was the source for the production of west side story removed? It was the source to confirm that the event occurred within the school. No publications ever make reference to the team as this is not something the school does, however the letter is a good source that the production did occur? MattIPv4 ( talk) 14:11, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
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Roy Page? The Maths teacher? He was teaching back in 75 when I first went to the Grammar School and though he never taught me I remember him from supervising the lunches. I assume it is the same person as he was a young man then. Indeed I hope that is the case, as RP Brown, headmaster durung my time, came to the school as headmaster and was far too remote. Doubtless the site page will confirm or deny my suspicions, SqueakBox 15:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
One and the same. In my opinion a good man for the job, very "with it". ZoFreX 19:03, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I do agree about a good man for the job. I guess he must only have been in his late twenties when I knew him (from 75) though I had imagined he was much older but "with it" is a good description as is humorous. I just never saw him as headmaster material, perhaps because he was so young. I was clearly wrong, SqueakBox 14:19, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
"Roy Page, Former Senior Deputy Headmaster, who is currently Acting Headmaster, while Mr. Dingle is on leave." - source / confirmation anyone? ZoFreX 08:54, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
The new section on Dr. Wolfe is slightly misleading, in that the Government eventually backed down and said that a short assessment would be all that is required to obtain Qualified Teacher Status in his circumstances. (See bottom two sections of this BBC News Article)-- Chrisd87 10:30, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I can't find this Daily Mail article and the Mail online appears ignorant of it. Please source and we can replace it, until then I have removed it as a possible spoof, SqueakBox 14:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
Source article was in the Daily Mail, Saturday 4th February 2006, Pages 8-9, but was not made available online. The school has however responded to it with a press statement, suggesting authenticity. -- Chrisd87 15:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
I can confirm that the articles really appeared in the Daily Mail on Saturday 4th February 2006, I have scans I can show a mod or whatever but obviously cannot make them publicly available. For now I'm reinstating the section, because I know that the article appeared and I can prove it. Edit: Also a smidgen of information from the local newspaper free press ZoFreX 18:43, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
I changed the Bucks Free Press citation as the edit (allegations echoed by local paper) and what was before (allegations being investigated by LEA) are both factually inaccurate. ZoFreX 00:49, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
It may interest people to have a look at [1] from the RGS website. (It also answers your question about Roy Page, ZoFreX)-- Chrisd87 02:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
Which I have added as good NPOVing of the whole allegations, ie giving a balanced portrayal, SqueakBox 17:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
I have reverted the edit of 16:14, 12 May 2006 by 84.92.84.138 in which this person added Dr. James Bunyard - Famous surgeon to the list of notable alumni. James Bunyard was in fact an alias used by Mr Dingle. See, for example, the article in The Bucks Free Press which includes:
The allegations were made by 35-year-old Nicky Barr, who claimed Mr Dingle had snorted cocaine at parties and wooed her by pretending to be a top London surgeon called James Bunyard.
I like your sense of humour, 84.92.84.138, but unfortunately the truth must prevail...
Euchiasmus 20:11, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
I've removed the link to the boarding house picture as it went to a 403 error. Does anyone have or know of a valid link or picture? -- Chrisd87 21:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
This article could really be better. Pictures? Structure? Anyway, I'm an old boy.. 2005. 'Twas fun. The best of schools. That dingle story had me in hysterics. -- Alfakim -- talk 02:17, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
Well as a slightly older old boy (1981, before you were born!) I am too far from the RGS to go back and take some photos but if you were to take some (esp of the clocktower) we could indeed publish them, you would just need to upload the files. Glad you liked the school (I hated it) and can understand why the Dingle story got you in hysterics, certainly RP Brown was the epitome of respectability and Dingle sounded like he failed miserably in following in his footsteps, SqueakBox 14:14, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Please do the {{ cite web}} calls by using params "url" and "title". Also "accessdate" should be specified (is a required param). -- Ligulem 17:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Question: why was Mark Oldknow removed from the section on notable alumni? There seems to be no reason given for this
Because he doesn't have an article, hence not notable enough, SqueakBox 14:06, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
Needs sourcing as Dim Tingle is obviously a piss take of Tim Dingle, and a fairly crude one, and hence without proper sourcing it must be removed. If it were a real mascot it would predate the extremely recent Dingle episode and this character clearly is not worthy to be the RGS mascot, SqueakBox 14:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Removing the headmaster's title with the edit summaries "that's not how we do things here" and "we don't do that", is neither helpful nor true. Including the title conveys additional information and breaks no Wikipedia rule that I am aware of. - Scribble Monkey 07:45, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
We must have a reliable source for the inclusion of anyone in this list. The fact that I know that, eg, Tim Tolkein went there is not sufficient as it would be original research. I welcome the return of alumni sourced. Thanks, SqueakBox 19:09, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
I removed the paragraph on claiming the school sued a TV show. Complete lies. The link provided showed a clip from the show, and the footage showed nothing at all like ANY building on the school's premises.
Adding to this is the fact that the school buildings are not very distinct in the first place (so would have trouble starting a lawsuit), state schools are not particularly litigious and only idiots try to sue a comedy programme... I think this is a joke that has slipped through the wikipedia editing net. 86.129.220.197 ( talk) 19:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)Atre
These are unfounded opinions, likely posted by a member of the team. The SLST is not particularly well known even within the school, and the facilities are hardly noteworthy; maybe good for a school in Bucks, but compare it to the new Hall at Hampton School or the facilities at St Pauls, to just give two examples. If no objections, I'd like to remove it Sage1314 ( talk) 20:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Objection: The team is an integral part of the school with over 40 members as well as 3 members of staff. The equiptment is of far greater quality than that of many schools and is available to any boy who wishes to partake in theatrical productions on a backstage level. It is a very well known team within the school and it can be guarenteed that if you are to ask any boy at the school who the SLST are or "stage and lighting team" they will almost definately know.
Since the departure of two members of staff very fond of the gown attire (Tim Dingle, Peter Cowburn) this has become far less of a tradition. Perhaps the article should read more along the lines of "Gowns are occasionally worn by members of staff however the tradition has slowly faded in recent years." -- 92.1.158.111 ( talk) 17:50, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps a complete removal of any mention of the gown as Don Wayne does not adhere to this strict "tradition"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.140.125.85 ( talk) 11:21, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
This section needs significant work.
In September 2016, the RGS distributed a set of maths questions containing "homophobic and unnecessary" comments which sparked outrage in students and parents alike [1]. The school made headlines on many news sites including the Daily Mail [2], The Sun [3] and many LGBT+ news sites [4]. It also prompted the response of several LGBT+ activist groups, many condemning the question, but a few praising RGS' actions to prevent this occurring again.
The questions were produced by a retired teacher who had left the school many years ago, however the questions were distributed by the school's maths department with seemingly no-one proof-reading them. The maths department strongly encourage students of a higher maths ability to complete these questions and the sheets are sometimes set as homework to classes, however they were not compulsory. When the mistake was noticed by students, staff quickly removed all copies from circulation where possible. However the incident quickly blew up on social media, where many outraged students complained.
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In September 2016, the RGS distributed a set of maths questions containing a homophobic comment which sparked outrage in students and parents alike [1]. The school made headlines on many news sites including the Daily Mail [2], The Sun [3] and many LGBT+ news sites [4] [5]. It also prompted the response of several LGBT+ activist groups, many condemning the question, but Stonewall in particular praising RGS' quick actions to deal with this.
The questions were produced by a retired teacher who had left the school many years ago, however the questions were distributed by the school's maths department and students of a higher maths ability were encouraged to complete these questions and the sheets (Posers in general) are sometimes set as homework to classes. When the mistake was noticed by students, staff quickly removed all copies from circulation where possible. However the incident quickly blew up on social media, where many outraged users complained [7].
References
I am not happy with just shoving all the notable alumni into a cat, we should illustrate the most notable fo them, which currently includes Grayling, ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 13:57, 28 November 2016 (UTC)
Who would decide who is the most notable? I would argue that Jimmy Carr is probably of equal notoriety. MattIPv4 ( talk) 07:48, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
I see the Timothy Dingle section has been restored, without addressing all of the issues I previously raised [5], for example, the drug allegations were completely unfounded, so we should not mention them, and terms such as "sacked" are not neutral, particularly when he had already left the school. Note also that the Daily Mail is now generally not accepted as a reliable source. See the RFC on this: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_220#Daily_Mail_RfC Meters ( talk) 17:54, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
I've restored the material I recently removed but in a more accurate version (practice material not a test, volunteer not a teacher, more detailed response). The latest version restored by the IP was better than when I first raised the issue [6] but still did not address all of the problems. I'm not convinced this belongs in the article at all, but since it was restored by yet another different editor let's at least start with an accurate version. Meters ( talk) 18:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
One using claiming COI for a few edits by a pupil 5 months ago is not sufficient justification. And we do not COI tags to warn off others frome diting as if we don't want people editing ehre. I will take this to an admin board if you persist in this deply mistaken tagging. ♫ RichardWeiss talk contribs 16:07, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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I have uploaded the newer crest pulled from the RGSHW.com website. The version I've used only features the crown, the prominent feature of the crest.
Does anyone else have any thoughts on whether this (crown only) version should be used or the full version with the school name and date on it? MattIPv4 ( talk) 22:03, 7 November 2018 (UTC)
Does anyone have any objections or thoughts on adding Christopher J. Date to the notable alumni section of the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MattIPv4 ( talk • contribs) 11:30, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
SovalValtos raised the concern that the statement in the SLST section regarding providing services for the Jeans4Genes was unsourced. The current proposed sources are the team's YouTube channel playlist for the event https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL58EAE56B7ED5EA76 as well as a letter from the school's headmaster making reference to the Jeans4Genes performance https://www.rgshw.com/_site/data/files/documents/letters%20to%20parents/school%20comms/1903D12DBC48D52139312411F8544FD4.pdf - There was concern that the playlist isn't a reliable source but I believe in tandem with the letter, these are good sources for the statement? MattIPv4 ( talk) 12:42, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
The team provides lighting for school events (such as concerts and Jeans 4 Genes [1] [2]) and sound for assemblies whilst also being a prominent contributor to the school's drama scene with the annual school production, such as the March 2019 production of West Side Story. [3]
Why was the source for the production of west side story removed? It was the source to confirm that the event occurred within the school. No publications ever make reference to the team as this is not something the school does, however the letter is a good source that the production did occur? MattIPv4 ( talk) 14:11, 10 April 2019 (UTC)
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