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In NY, we add the qualifier "Virtual" to distinguish between those who have taken the York Rite degree from those who have actually been installed as a Worshipful Master of a lodge. Should this be mentioned and explained? Blueboar ( talk) 15:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
The current text states:
This is clearly inaccurate... the Mark Master degree was held in numerous Mark Lodges prior to that date (some tied to a specific blue lodge... others independant entities of there own)... for example, The Holland Lodge No. 8 in NY is in posession of a minutes book/mark register for "Holland Mark Lodge", that dates to 1788... and it is clear from reading that minutes book that the brothers who founded Holland Mark Lodge had taken the degree in various other Mark Lodges prior to that date.
Perhaps what is meant is that St. Andrew's Chapter is the first mention of the Degree being given by a Royal Arch Chapter... as opposed to being given by some other body. If so, this needs to be clarified. Blueboar ( talk) 20:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
When we say "mostly conferred in the United States" are we saying that there are more York Rite Masons in the United States or that more countries confer the Holy Royal Arch as opposed to Royal Arch Masonry is it is practiced within the York Rite. Because from my understanding far more countries organize their degrees within the York Rite than treat them as entirely separate bodies. PeRshGo ( talk) 12:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
A recent edit mentioned Canada and pointed to the article on the Holy Royal Arch degree. According to this website, however, Canadian practice seems to be the same as that in the US. So I am not sure that the distinction is needed or appropriate Blueboar ( talk) 18:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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Per that IP edit and reversion, it might be just a matter of semantics, but it depends on how one perceives the degrees - there are Lodges that confer the first three degrees according to a "system" (Scottish or York) insofar as they're stylistically different. So neither statement is necessarily incorrect, but I don't know that I've ever seen a source that elaborates on the differences, as most scholars draw on their own jurisdiction's system of three degrees as the "basis" for whatever they're saying. Now, all that being said, we are looking at this from a US perspective - nobody else calls the system "York Rite", but instead they call it "American Rite", and the Holy Royal Arch as practiced in UGLE and the Commonwealth countries is different than the American Royal Arch, such as the separate Order of Mark Master Masons, of which there are only a few examples in the US. The US, meanwhile, does confer the first three degrees in the York style, except in isolated cases (I think it's isolated) in Louisiana. So maybe we need to adjust the lede a bit to avoid this sort of good faith change in the future? MSJapan ( talk) 07:07, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
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In NY, we add the qualifier "Virtual" to distinguish between those who have taken the York Rite degree from those who have actually been installed as a Worshipful Master of a lodge. Should this be mentioned and explained? Blueboar ( talk) 15:43, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
The current text states:
This is clearly inaccurate... the Mark Master degree was held in numerous Mark Lodges prior to that date (some tied to a specific blue lodge... others independant entities of there own)... for example, The Holland Lodge No. 8 in NY is in posession of a minutes book/mark register for "Holland Mark Lodge", that dates to 1788... and it is clear from reading that minutes book that the brothers who founded Holland Mark Lodge had taken the degree in various other Mark Lodges prior to that date.
Perhaps what is meant is that St. Andrew's Chapter is the first mention of the Degree being given by a Royal Arch Chapter... as opposed to being given by some other body. If so, this needs to be clarified. Blueboar ( talk) 20:25, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
When we say "mostly conferred in the United States" are we saying that there are more York Rite Masons in the United States or that more countries confer the Holy Royal Arch as opposed to Royal Arch Masonry is it is practiced within the York Rite. Because from my understanding far more countries organize their degrees within the York Rite than treat them as entirely separate bodies. PeRshGo ( talk) 12:16, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
A recent edit mentioned Canada and pointed to the article on the Holy Royal Arch degree. According to this website, however, Canadian practice seems to be the same as that in the US. So I am not sure that the distinction is needed or appropriate Blueboar ( talk) 18:09, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
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Per that IP edit and reversion, it might be just a matter of semantics, but it depends on how one perceives the degrees - there are Lodges that confer the first three degrees according to a "system" (Scottish or York) insofar as they're stylistically different. So neither statement is necessarily incorrect, but I don't know that I've ever seen a source that elaborates on the differences, as most scholars draw on their own jurisdiction's system of three degrees as the "basis" for whatever they're saying. Now, all that being said, we are looking at this from a US perspective - nobody else calls the system "York Rite", but instead they call it "American Rite", and the Holy Royal Arch as practiced in UGLE and the Commonwealth countries is different than the American Royal Arch, such as the separate Order of Mark Master Masons, of which there are only a few examples in the US. The US, meanwhile, does confer the first three degrees in the York style, except in isolated cases (I think it's isolated) in Louisiana. So maybe we need to adjust the lede a bit to avoid this sort of good faith change in the future? MSJapan ( talk) 07:07, 16 May 2016 (UTC)