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came across a statement that the nomenclature is a post-war invention and not what they were known as at the time. "Type I, Type II, Type III...relating to.... B, C, C1 respectivley". Anyone known more? GraemeLeggett ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I recall reading many years ago that Bruce Robertson was credited with grouping the roundel variations into types, I suspect that it ill be referenced in his book 'Aircraft Markings of the World 1912-1967. London: Harleyford, 1967' although I don't have a copy at least one other contributor has cited it. Kitbag ( talk) 20:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
The difference is that the RAAF (i.e. Royal AUSTRALIAN air force) roundel (which became standard for all RAAF aircraft except those working with the RAF in Europe or North Africa) was blue and white - whereas the RAF SEAC roundel was, officially at least, dark and light blue (as illustrated). Since this was applied in the field it seems that white was often used instead of light blue - but this is different from RAAF practice, which (AFAIK) NEVER used light blue - white being the official colour.
This needs to be (authoritively) clarified, using a good source. -- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 23:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I made the anti-flash white svg, but i have no idea about the real colours. I picked them from another image. (of a BAC TSR-2.) Has anybody a reliable source for the colours?-- ospalh ( talk) 15:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Should mention that the basic "Type D" ( File:RAF roundel.svg) was taken up as the symbol of the early-1960s " Mods" and was used by "The Who" in their earlier years (they started off as a kind of Mod band), etc... AnonMoos ( talk) 22:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
For me the roundels in the table display with flattened bases and RHS. Playing with the padding seemed to improve the bottom but the RHS was nastily aliased.
Rich
Farmbrough,
18:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC).
The RAF used different colours at different times - the versions posted are incorrect for any of the colours used. During ww1 and until the late 1920's a greyish version of the blue was used (similar to RAF blue) - this changed during the late 20's but no official order has been found, but it is known that this change occured at the same time the RAF dispensed with rudder stripes. During the period immediately before WW2, the colours were changed again, to a dull version that would be used during the war. The Yellow remained the same (and it is not a pale cream as shown but a slightly orange yellow as was used on RAF trainers). During the immediate postwar period, the colours reverted to the early 1930's colours.
Do you seriosuly think I just spent several hours to download an svg editor, draw and upload all new roundels to vandalize a page? Furthermore, It was obvious I was mid-edit and I will provide sources. NiD.29 ( talk) 23:04, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Still working on sources (interwar stuff is hard to find) however it occurs to me that the page should be named British Military Roundels so as to include the Royal Naval Air Service, which for a brief time had its own distinct roundel (much like the contemporary French roundel, but lacking the center blue dot, and usually outlined in white), and prior to this both RFC and RNAS used Union Jacks. The RNAS is unlikely to have a page devoted to its one unique insignia and should be listed somewhere (other FAA markings are mentioned here). Unfortunately no colour information is available but was probably standard off the shelf colours. Comments?
The Roundel Colors provided in the SVG drawings are incorrect. If you use the Federal Standard, and go to a comparison site, such as https://encycolorpedia.com/ you can get exact HTML, RGB, and HSL color values for the Federal Standard colors.. for example, the Type A roundel from WW2 that is shown here has blue with an RGB of 0,34,75 or HTML#00224b, but the correct FS 595 color code 25050 (35050 in matte paint) has an RGB of 24,50,77 or HTML#18324d ( https://encycolorpedia.com/18324d ). As such the WW2 era roundels are too bright in the blue channel. Correct RGB values for red are 140, 80, 63 ( https://encycolorpedia.com/8c503f ), and Trainer Yellow is 255,183,0 ( https://encycolorpedia.com/ffb700 ). another topic for debate is whether the colors given are indeed accurate. The international Plastic Modelers Society has hosted a color reference chart compiled by Urban Fredriksson & Martin Waligorski for quite some time that is pretty much considered THE reference for modelers paint matching needs for UK aircraft, and shows different FS colors for Dull Blue (FS 35044), Dull Red (FS 30109), and Identification White (FS 37875), while the FS color given for Trainer Yellow is consistent with that list. That list is available for viewing here: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_uk.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:1210:8130:6D64:D41C:461:CC7A ( talk) 06:46, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Someone had the rather fanciful idea that the RNAS roundel was changed ro match the RFC one to avoid confusion with the DANISH national marking. Not really - although the Danish red/white roundel does seem to have been used quite early, it was certainly not current in 1915! On top of this, Denmark is a very small country - its air corps at the time was very rudimentary indeed, and it was not a combatant in the 1914-1918 war. -- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 00:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Should the article be updated to reflect the insignia seen on the F-35Bs? LostCause231 ( talk) 17:05, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
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came across a statement that the nomenclature is a post-war invention and not what they were known as at the time. "Type I, Type II, Type III...relating to.... B, C, C1 respectivley". Anyone known more? GraemeLeggett ( talk) 12:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
I recall reading many years ago that Bruce Robertson was credited with grouping the roundel variations into types, I suspect that it ill be referenced in his book 'Aircraft Markings of the World 1912-1967. London: Harleyford, 1967' although I don't have a copy at least one other contributor has cited it. Kitbag ( talk) 20:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
The difference is that the RAAF (i.e. Royal AUSTRALIAN air force) roundel (which became standard for all RAAF aircraft except those working with the RAF in Europe or North Africa) was blue and white - whereas the RAF SEAC roundel was, officially at least, dark and light blue (as illustrated). Since this was applied in the field it seems that white was often used instead of light blue - but this is different from RAAF practice, which (AFAIK) NEVER used light blue - white being the official colour.
This needs to be (authoritively) clarified, using a good source. -- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 23:16, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
I made the anti-flash white svg, but i have no idea about the real colours. I picked them from another image. (of a BAC TSR-2.) Has anybody a reliable source for the colours?-- ospalh ( talk) 15:23, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
Should mention that the basic "Type D" ( File:RAF roundel.svg) was taken up as the symbol of the early-1960s " Mods" and was used by "The Who" in their earlier years (they started off as a kind of Mod band), etc... AnonMoos ( talk) 22:54, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
For me the roundels in the table display with flattened bases and RHS. Playing with the padding seemed to improve the bottom but the RHS was nastily aliased.
Rich
Farmbrough,
18:36, 6 February 2011 (UTC).
The RAF used different colours at different times - the versions posted are incorrect for any of the colours used. During ww1 and until the late 1920's a greyish version of the blue was used (similar to RAF blue) - this changed during the late 20's but no official order has been found, but it is known that this change occured at the same time the RAF dispensed with rudder stripes. During the period immediately before WW2, the colours were changed again, to a dull version that would be used during the war. The Yellow remained the same (and it is not a pale cream as shown but a slightly orange yellow as was used on RAF trainers). During the immediate postwar period, the colours reverted to the early 1930's colours.
Do you seriosuly think I just spent several hours to download an svg editor, draw and upload all new roundels to vandalize a page? Furthermore, It was obvious I was mid-edit and I will provide sources. NiD.29 ( talk) 23:04, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
Still working on sources (interwar stuff is hard to find) however it occurs to me that the page should be named British Military Roundels so as to include the Royal Naval Air Service, which for a brief time had its own distinct roundel (much like the contemporary French roundel, but lacking the center blue dot, and usually outlined in white), and prior to this both RFC and RNAS used Union Jacks. The RNAS is unlikely to have a page devoted to its one unique insignia and should be listed somewhere (other FAA markings are mentioned here). Unfortunately no colour information is available but was probably standard off the shelf colours. Comments?
The Roundel Colors provided in the SVG drawings are incorrect. If you use the Federal Standard, and go to a comparison site, such as https://encycolorpedia.com/ you can get exact HTML, RGB, and HSL color values for the Federal Standard colors.. for example, the Type A roundel from WW2 that is shown here has blue with an RGB of 0,34,75 or HTML#00224b, but the correct FS 595 color code 25050 (35050 in matte paint) has an RGB of 24,50,77 or HTML#18324d ( https://encycolorpedia.com/18324d ). As such the WW2 era roundels are too bright in the blue channel. Correct RGB values for red are 140, 80, 63 ( https://encycolorpedia.com/8c503f ), and Trainer Yellow is 255,183,0 ( https://encycolorpedia.com/ffb700 ). another topic for debate is whether the colors given are indeed accurate. The international Plastic Modelers Society has hosted a color reference chart compiled by Urban Fredriksson & Martin Waligorski for quite some time that is pretty much considered THE reference for modelers paint matching needs for UK aircraft, and shows different FS colors for Dull Blue (FS 35044), Dull Red (FS 30109), and Identification White (FS 37875), while the FS color given for Trainer Yellow is consistent with that list. That list is available for viewing here: http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/stuff_eng_colorcharts_uk.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:1210:8130:6D64:D41C:461:CC7A ( talk) 06:46, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Someone had the rather fanciful idea that the RNAS roundel was changed ro match the RFC one to avoid confusion with the DANISH national marking. Not really - although the Danish red/white roundel does seem to have been used quite early, it was certainly not current in 1915! On top of this, Denmark is a very small country - its air corps at the time was very rudimentary indeed, and it was not a combatant in the 1914-1918 war. -- Soundofmusicals ( talk) 00:13, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Should the article be updated to reflect the insignia seen on the F-35Bs? LostCause231 ( talk) 17:05, 14 February 2015 (UTC)