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People pray Hail Mary, they do not recite it. Big difference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomy108 ( talk • contribs) 08:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I would love to see this brought back to GA status. Anyone else like to help on this project?
Also, I noticed this talk page is really long. Anyone disagree if I archive it?-- DizFreak talk Contributions 18:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
We need to edit the external links section down to a reasonable size. There's a lot of repetition of the same material in the links. Does anybody have any idea on establish which links we do need and which links we don't? Dgf32 ( talk) 16:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Most links were just deleted wholesale by "LittleOldMe" with little justification. Many of these deleted links have been around for a while and some have been defended in this page. I restored some of them that were deleted because LittleOldMe asserted that "Wikipedia is not a how-to guide". I don't think that's a guiding principle of Wikipedia. If it is, where is it stated? There are many good articles in Wikipedia that include how-to guidance. Roesser ( talk) 20:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Chaplet also means a wreath for the head, and 5 decades of the Rosary. 1. a wreath or garland for the head. 2. a string of beads. 3. Roman Catholic Church. a. a string of beads, one-third of the length of a rosary, for counting prayers. b. the prayers recited over this. Dictionary.com
Also, Catholic Encyclopedia says Rosarius means bouquet of roses, so I think Rosarius should be in the article as well as Rosarium. -- Maria Bernada ( talk) 18:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
"As regards the origin of the name, the word rosarius means a garland or bouquet of roses [1], and it was not unfrequently used in a figurative sense—e.g. as the title of a book, to denote an anthology or collection of extracts. An early legend which after traveling all over Europe penetrated even to Abyssinia connected this name with a story of Our Lady, who was seen to take rosebuds from the lips of a young monk when he was reciting Hail Marys and to weave them into a garland which she placed upon her head. A German metrical version of this story is still extant dating from the thirteenth century. The name "Our Lady's Psalter" can also be traced back to the same period. Corona or chaplet suggests the same idea as rosarium. The old English name found in Chaucer and elsewhere was a "pair of beads", in which the word beads (q.v.) originally meant prayers." -- Maria Bernada ( talk) 01:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Current introduction: The Rosary (from Latin rosarium, "rose garden"; from Middle French rosaire, "rose garden" used figuratively as "garden of prayers") [2]
Proposed: The Rosary (from Middle Latin rosarium, "garland of roses"; from Middle French rosaire, "rose garland") [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] --Maria Bernada 04:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Instead of making it complicated, how about just change it something to this effect: The Rosary (from Latin rosarium, "rose garden"; from Middle French rosaire, "rose garden" used figuratively as "garden of prayers," but understood as "garland of roses" widely for a long time) [9] --Maria Bernada 04:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I consider myself to be a devout Lutheran in the LCMS (a relatively conservative Lutheran Church body). In the Lutheranism section, I think it is an overstatement to say that the Lutheran Church encourages the use of the rosary. Yes, a Lutheran version of the rosary does exist, but I think it's safe to say that those pastors that do are confined to a rather small minority. —Preceding
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67.142.166.21 (
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03:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
There is another article on Rosary based prayers already with alternatives. Makes sense to me to merge this section into that article, to make the article on the mainstream Rosary shorter; or maybe the other way around, to keep all info centralized. Prudencio Clemente ( talk) 17:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I think the section on rosaries in other christian traditions could be moved into a separate article. That way this article would focus on the mainstream catholic marian rosary, with relevant links to other forms or traditions. Prudencio Clemente ( talk) 01:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
The real question may be: "For the given effort, what additional benefits do Wiki-users get from any changes?" I think if you just move it into Rosary based prayers as a section that will be the simplest, cleanest and least effort-consuming way. The Rosary based prayers page itself is yet to be structured based on its talk page, so if you/we move this short section there and then restructure that page, there will be two nice pages on the rosary:
Then any additional effort can go into improving the content of said pages. I really don't know what else can go into the rosary page itself for it has been stable for many months and all that gets done is reverting the never ending stream of vandals. However, there are many other rosary related pages such as Lourdes apparitions that need help and if I have any additional effort, I would spend it there, not here, for this page seems in good shape. Cheers History2007 ( talk) 04:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Some anon IP keeps adding this site: [1]. I think it adds nothing to the Rosary article and is an invitation for other donation seeking sites to promote themselves in Wikipedia. Please add comments as to whether we should keep it or delete it. The anon IP that adds it seems to be the anon-site owner him/herself! I think it should not be in the rosary page. Please add votes below. Thanks History2007 ( talk) 19:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Marauder, I looked at that article too once you pointed it out. I guess the person in charge there is called Dan Rudden, and I fully agree with his comment about the need for attention, etc. In fact he could have quoted Saint Louis de Montfort's emphasis on full attention, etc. as detailed in Secret of the Rosary, Methods of praying the rosary etc. In fact he probably needs to add that material to his site by copying from Wikipedia! However, I still don't know if the site passes the Wikipedia threshold. My guess is still that it does not. In fact, Wikipedia has more solid material on the rosary than that site. Let us wait a day or so for further comments. Cheers History2007 ( talk) 14:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
If St Eligius lived c588-660 it is unlikely that he prayed repeated Hail Mary's as the Angelic salutation together with Elizabeth's greeting was not used as a separate prayer till after 1050 AD. I would suggest that this reference be deleated from the article as being unsafe. St Bede and reference to prayer beads is also very doubtful I did not come across it in his ecclesiastical History —Preceding unsigned comment added by EsmondJohns ( talk • contribs) 12:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that the topic heading "Rosary and scapular" tries to draw an association between the Rosary and Brown Scapular primarily based on the Fatima revelations recommending both these devotions, and perhaps someone will consider cobining this content under the topic heading that immediately follows, "Rosary in Marian apparitions." Elizdelphi ( talk) 22:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the "Gallery of Rosary in Marian Art" -- and the caption for the painting "Madonna offering Saint Norbert a rosary by August Palme, 1860" -- the image of the saint receiving the rosary is clearly NOT Saint Norbert, but Saint Dominic. First, it is Saint Dominic who has traditionally been seen as having 'received' the rosary from the Blessed Virgin; second, the figure is wearing a traditional Dominican habit (not a Norbertine habit); and third, the painting contains an image of a dog with a torch, or a watchdog, the traditional symbol for Saint Dominic, founder of the Order of Preachers, or Dominicans. The image of the watchdog refers to a pun about the Dominicans, or "Dominicanes" in Latin: Dominicanes = domini canes = 'dogs of the Lord.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djgibboni ( talk • contribs) 08:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, there is an ongoing discussion on Catholic Church about Roman Catholics that may have wide ranging effects, perhaps eventually affecting terms on this page. The issue is the abolition of the term "Roman Catholic" from many Wikipedia articles. Those interested please see Removal of the term Roman Catholic discussion. I feel like it is an electronic persecution of the term Roman. Help on the discussion will be appreciated. History2007 ( talk) 22:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
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![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
People pray Hail Mary, they do not recite it. Big difference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tomy108 ( talk • contribs) 08:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
I would love to see this brought back to GA status. Anyone else like to help on this project?
Also, I noticed this talk page is really long. Anyone disagree if I archive it?-- DizFreak talk Contributions 18:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
We need to edit the external links section down to a reasonable size. There's a lot of repetition of the same material in the links. Does anybody have any idea on establish which links we do need and which links we don't? Dgf32 ( talk) 16:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Most links were just deleted wholesale by "LittleOldMe" with little justification. Many of these deleted links have been around for a while and some have been defended in this page. I restored some of them that were deleted because LittleOldMe asserted that "Wikipedia is not a how-to guide". I don't think that's a guiding principle of Wikipedia. If it is, where is it stated? There are many good articles in Wikipedia that include how-to guidance. Roesser ( talk) 20:15, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
Chaplet also means a wreath for the head, and 5 decades of the Rosary. 1. a wreath or garland for the head. 2. a string of beads. 3. Roman Catholic Church. a. a string of beads, one-third of the length of a rosary, for counting prayers. b. the prayers recited over this. Dictionary.com
Also, Catholic Encyclopedia says Rosarius means bouquet of roses, so I think Rosarius should be in the article as well as Rosarium. -- Maria Bernada ( talk) 18:18, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
"As regards the origin of the name, the word rosarius means a garland or bouquet of roses [1], and it was not unfrequently used in a figurative sense—e.g. as the title of a book, to denote an anthology or collection of extracts. An early legend which after traveling all over Europe penetrated even to Abyssinia connected this name with a story of Our Lady, who was seen to take rosebuds from the lips of a young monk when he was reciting Hail Marys and to weave them into a garland which she placed upon her head. A German metrical version of this story is still extant dating from the thirteenth century. The name "Our Lady's Psalter" can also be traced back to the same period. Corona or chaplet suggests the same idea as rosarium. The old English name found in Chaucer and elsewhere was a "pair of beads", in which the word beads (q.v.) originally meant prayers." -- Maria Bernada ( talk) 01:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
Current introduction: The Rosary (from Latin rosarium, "rose garden"; from Middle French rosaire, "rose garden" used figuratively as "garden of prayers") [2]
Proposed: The Rosary (from Middle Latin rosarium, "garland of roses"; from Middle French rosaire, "rose garland") [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] --Maria Bernada 04:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
Instead of making it complicated, how about just change it something to this effect: The Rosary (from Latin rosarium, "rose garden"; from Middle French rosaire, "rose garden" used figuratively as "garden of prayers," but understood as "garland of roses" widely for a long time) [9] --Maria Bernada 04:06, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I consider myself to be a devout Lutheran in the LCMS (a relatively conservative Lutheran Church body). In the Lutheranism section, I think it is an overstatement to say that the Lutheran Church encourages the use of the rosary. Yes, a Lutheran version of the rosary does exist, but I think it's safe to say that those pastors that do are confined to a rather small minority. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
67.142.166.21 (
talk)
03:29, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
There is another article on Rosary based prayers already with alternatives. Makes sense to me to merge this section into that article, to make the article on the mainstream Rosary shorter; or maybe the other way around, to keep all info centralized. Prudencio Clemente ( talk) 17:56, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Hello! I think the section on rosaries in other christian traditions could be moved into a separate article. That way this article would focus on the mainstream catholic marian rosary, with relevant links to other forms or traditions. Prudencio Clemente ( talk) 01:08, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
The real question may be: "For the given effort, what additional benefits do Wiki-users get from any changes?" I think if you just move it into Rosary based prayers as a section that will be the simplest, cleanest and least effort-consuming way. The Rosary based prayers page itself is yet to be structured based on its talk page, so if you/we move this short section there and then restructure that page, there will be two nice pages on the rosary:
Then any additional effort can go into improving the content of said pages. I really don't know what else can go into the rosary page itself for it has been stable for many months and all that gets done is reverting the never ending stream of vandals. However, there are many other rosary related pages such as Lourdes apparitions that need help and if I have any additional effort, I would spend it there, not here, for this page seems in good shape. Cheers History2007 ( talk) 04:40, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Some anon IP keeps adding this site: [1]. I think it adds nothing to the Rosary article and is an invitation for other donation seeking sites to promote themselves in Wikipedia. Please add comments as to whether we should keep it or delete it. The anon IP that adds it seems to be the anon-site owner him/herself! I think it should not be in the rosary page. Please add votes below. Thanks History2007 ( talk) 19:44, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
Hi Marauder, I looked at that article too once you pointed it out. I guess the person in charge there is called Dan Rudden, and I fully agree with his comment about the need for attention, etc. In fact he could have quoted Saint Louis de Montfort's emphasis on full attention, etc. as detailed in Secret of the Rosary, Methods of praying the rosary etc. In fact he probably needs to add that material to his site by copying from Wikipedia! However, I still don't know if the site passes the Wikipedia threshold. My guess is still that it does not. In fact, Wikipedia has more solid material on the rosary than that site. Let us wait a day or so for further comments. Cheers History2007 ( talk) 14:48, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
If St Eligius lived c588-660 it is unlikely that he prayed repeated Hail Mary's as the Angelic salutation together with Elizabeth's greeting was not used as a separate prayer till after 1050 AD. I would suggest that this reference be deleated from the article as being unsafe. St Bede and reference to prayer beads is also very doubtful I did not come across it in his ecclesiastical History —Preceding unsigned comment added by EsmondJohns ( talk • contribs) 12:09, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
I suggest that the topic heading "Rosary and scapular" tries to draw an association between the Rosary and Brown Scapular primarily based on the Fatima revelations recommending both these devotions, and perhaps someone will consider cobining this content under the topic heading that immediately follows, "Rosary in Marian apparitions." Elizdelphi ( talk) 22:26, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
Regarding the "Gallery of Rosary in Marian Art" -- and the caption for the painting "Madonna offering Saint Norbert a rosary by August Palme, 1860" -- the image of the saint receiving the rosary is clearly NOT Saint Norbert, but Saint Dominic. First, it is Saint Dominic who has traditionally been seen as having 'received' the rosary from the Blessed Virgin; second, the figure is wearing a traditional Dominican habit (not a Norbertine habit); and third, the painting contains an image of a dog with a torch, or a watchdog, the traditional symbol for Saint Dominic, founder of the Order of Preachers, or Dominicans. The image of the watchdog refers to a pun about the Dominicans, or "Dominicanes" in Latin: Dominicanes = domini canes = 'dogs of the Lord.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djgibboni ( talk • contribs) 08:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, there is an ongoing discussion on Catholic Church about Roman Catholics that may have wide ranging effects, perhaps eventually affecting terms on this page. The issue is the abolition of the term "Roman Catholic" from many Wikipedia articles. Those interested please see Removal of the term Roman Catholic discussion. I feel like it is an electronic persecution of the term Roman. Help on the discussion will be appreciated. History2007 ( talk) 22:48, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |