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A fact from Rosal, Sutherland appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 May 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that before its inhabitants were evicted, Rosal was the largest of 49 townships in
Strathnaver?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
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New enough, long enough, and properly sourced. No QPQ needed. Earwig found no problematic copied wording. Good-enough hook, but one must synthesize a couple pieces of information in the article to obtain it: the "largest township" part is at the end of the town section, dated to the early 19th century, while the "deserted" part is at the end of the "clearance" section. In fact both facts are adjacent in the "Maverick Guide to Scotland" source, with much tighter dating (largest in 1815; cleared between 1814 and 1818) and to avoid problems with
WP:SYN the article would benefit from making them adjacent somewhere within it, footnoted to that source. Also, "deserted" is maybe a euphemism for what happened. —
David Eppstein (
talk)
18:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks
David. What if the sentence in the Town section said "Before the clearance, it was the largest of 49 townships in Strathnaver"? That would would be consistent with the Maverick Guide guide source and not change up the current before-during-after structure. I could also change the sentence in the Clearance section to say "completely deserted by 1818" to avoid any ambiguity.
I think "deserted" is, from a NPOV, the end result of what happened, it describes what's left. You could say "forcibly depopulated" or something but I think "deserted" is clear enough and used in the sources. --
D'n'B-t --
18:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
To me, "deserted" is an accurate and neutral description of the state of the place now, but not of the process by which it reached that state. How about
ALT1 ... that before its inhabitants were evicted, Rosal was the largest of 49 townships in
Strathnaver?
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A fact from Rosal, Sutherland appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the Did you know column on 25 May 2024 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that before its inhabitants were evicted, Rosal was the largest of 49 townships in
Strathnaver?
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
New enough, long enough, and properly sourced. No QPQ needed. Earwig found no problematic copied wording. Good-enough hook, but one must synthesize a couple pieces of information in the article to obtain it: the "largest township" part is at the end of the town section, dated to the early 19th century, while the "deserted" part is at the end of the "clearance" section. In fact both facts are adjacent in the "Maverick Guide to Scotland" source, with much tighter dating (largest in 1815; cleared between 1814 and 1818) and to avoid problems with
WP:SYN the article would benefit from making them adjacent somewhere within it, footnoted to that source. Also, "deserted" is maybe a euphemism for what happened. —
David Eppstein (
talk)
18:14, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Thanks
David. What if the sentence in the Town section said "Before the clearance, it was the largest of 49 townships in Strathnaver"? That would would be consistent with the Maverick Guide guide source and not change up the current before-during-after structure. I could also change the sentence in the Clearance section to say "completely deserted by 1818" to avoid any ambiguity.
I think "deserted" is, from a NPOV, the end result of what happened, it describes what's left. You could say "forcibly depopulated" or something but I think "deserted" is clear enough and used in the sources. --
D'n'B-t --
18:42, 26 April 2024 (UTC)reply
To me, "deserted" is an accurate and neutral description of the state of the place now, but not of the process by which it reached that state. How about
ALT1 ... that before its inhabitants were evicted, Rosal was the largest of 49 townships in
Strathnaver?