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Edit request from 65.167.208.4, 18 June 2010 Please proofread this entry. He was declared dead before he was executed? I'd fix it myself, but it's semi-protected. Thanks.
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Gardner was executed at 12:20:25 a.m. MDT, on June 18, 2010 by a firing squad at Utah State Prison.[1] Ronnie Lee Gardner was pronounced dead at 12:17 a.m. A corrections official had put the time of death at 12:20 a.m. before correcting it.
Timnic ( talk) 16:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC): Your reasoning for not editing makes no sense. If he was executed before 12:20 then he was not executed at 12:20:25! The fact the correction officer entered the wrong time does not change the time that he was actually executed. According to an eye witness ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7837976/Eyewitness-Ronnie-Lee-Gardner-execution.html) the execution time was 12:15am and death was pronouced at 12:17am. The 12:20:25 entry needs to be changed as the current wording is factually incorrect and does imply death prior to execution.
Any evidence for who his accomplice was in placing a gun in the courtroom? 66.80.6.163 ( talk) 15:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Should the time zone 'MDT' be placed after all reference to time? -- 196.215.54.89 ( talk) 15:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
He killed 2 people. Shouldn't his charge state that? It does with other convicted criminals that were executed. IrishTrains1234 ( talk) 17:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I feel this article lacks basic, biographical information. All it contains pertains to his execution -- I mean, the guy had a life! More information regarding his background, crimes, arrest, trial, and conviction are needed; right now, all we know is how he died. -- Howdoesitflee ( talk) 17:54, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
In this edit, I removed a referenced claim there were no protests at the prison during his execution, only because I found this story from ABC News which mentioned his family gathering, adding "They were joined by dozens of death penalty protesters." I don't have a way to judge the MSNBC vs. ABC difference of reporting, so I removed the statement entirely. If there's no better report in the next few days, I suppose the best approach would be to note the differing stories on this. Comet Tuttle ( talk) 22:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I think the lead needs to be expanded to properly summarize the article. Hekerui ( talk) 14:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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I have concluded my review of this article. The prose is pretty good, and with just a few very minor corrections this is very close to a GA-quality article. The images are fine, and the sources are well-documented, reliable, and support the article. However, this article appears to have a clear slant towards the "anti-death penalty" POV. I believe this issue can be fixed, so I will place this article on hold for up to a week to give the editors time to work on the article. Aaron north ( T/ C) 01:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion, this article is very close to being good, and would have easily passed immediately without even a hold were it not for a problem with keeping to a neutral point of view. This article is currently slanted towards the opposition to capital punishment POV. Although this article is primarily about Ronnie Lee Gardner rather than the death penalty, it is undeniable that the death penalty debate was a significant part of this story and can not be ignored. The NPOV issues in this article are not from any one problematic phrase or section. However, bit by bit, it seems that every opportunity to subtly advance or highlight the "anti" position was taken, and every opportunity to minimize or ignore the "pro" position was also taken. Aaron north ( T/ C) 01:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
In conclusion, I think this POV tilt should be easy to correct, and I'd rather leave it to the editors to figure out how to go about doing this. I also want to say that it is not my intention that the balance be over-corrected towards a "pro death penalty" POV either. That would also be inappropriate. Aaron north ( T/ C) 01:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
This article states that "Some followers of Mormonism are taught that murder is so heinous that the blood of the offender must be spilled to pay for their sins" and cites a BBC article to support this assertion. The BBC article quotes an article in the Salt Lake Tribine, which discusses an "arcane [i.e. mysterious, secret, obscure] LDS belief that a murderer must shed his own blood -- literally -- to be forgiven by God." It then goes on to say that the LDS church "disavows any connection to blood atonement," and includes a direct quote from the official church statement on the issue, which the Wikipedia article also quotes. Thus the original statement directly contradicts the church's stated position and could be considered inflammatory. I believe a better phrasing would be something to the effect of "There has been speculation that some followers of Mormonism believe that murder is so heinous that the blood of the offender must be spilled to pay for their sins, although this is not official church doctrine." I also think the original Salt Lake Tribune article should be cited, rather than the BBC article.
Also, the pronoun "their" doesn't agree with its antecedent, "offender."
Thank you.
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Edit request from 65.167.208.4, 18 June 2010 Please proofread this entry. He was declared dead before he was executed? I'd fix it myself, but it's semi-protected. Thanks.
65.167.208.4 (
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Gardner was executed at 12:20:25 a.m. MDT, on June 18, 2010 by a firing squad at Utah State Prison.[1] Ronnie Lee Gardner was pronounced dead at 12:17 a.m. A corrections official had put the time of death at 12:20 a.m. before correcting it.
Timnic ( talk) 16:07, 18 June 2010 (UTC): Your reasoning for not editing makes no sense. If he was executed before 12:20 then he was not executed at 12:20:25! The fact the correction officer entered the wrong time does not change the time that he was actually executed. According to an eye witness ( http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/7837976/Eyewitness-Ronnie-Lee-Gardner-execution.html) the execution time was 12:15am and death was pronouced at 12:17am. The 12:20:25 entry needs to be changed as the current wording is factually incorrect and does imply death prior to execution.
Any evidence for who his accomplice was in placing a gun in the courtroom? 66.80.6.163 ( talk) 15:38, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
Should the time zone 'MDT' be placed after all reference to time? -- 196.215.54.89 ( talk) 15:52, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
He killed 2 people. Shouldn't his charge state that? It does with other convicted criminals that were executed. IrishTrains1234 ( talk) 17:49, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I feel this article lacks basic, biographical information. All it contains pertains to his execution -- I mean, the guy had a life! More information regarding his background, crimes, arrest, trial, and conviction are needed; right now, all we know is how he died. -- Howdoesitflee ( talk) 17:54, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
In this edit, I removed a referenced claim there were no protests at the prison during his execution, only because I found this story from ABC News which mentioned his family gathering, adding "They were joined by dozens of death penalty protesters." I don't have a way to judge the MSNBC vs. ABC difference of reporting, so I removed the statement entirely. If there's no better report in the next few days, I suppose the best approach would be to note the differing stories on this. Comet Tuttle ( talk) 22:51, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
I think the lead needs to be expanded to properly summarize the article. Hekerui ( talk) 14:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
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I have concluded my review of this article. The prose is pretty good, and with just a few very minor corrections this is very close to a GA-quality article. The images are fine, and the sources are well-documented, reliable, and support the article. However, this article appears to have a clear slant towards the "anti-death penalty" POV. I believe this issue can be fixed, so I will place this article on hold for up to a week to give the editors time to work on the article. Aaron north ( T/ C) 01:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion, this article is very close to being good, and would have easily passed immediately without even a hold were it not for a problem with keeping to a neutral point of view. This article is currently slanted towards the opposition to capital punishment POV. Although this article is primarily about Ronnie Lee Gardner rather than the death penalty, it is undeniable that the death penalty debate was a significant part of this story and can not be ignored. The NPOV issues in this article are not from any one problematic phrase or section. However, bit by bit, it seems that every opportunity to subtly advance or highlight the "anti" position was taken, and every opportunity to minimize or ignore the "pro" position was also taken. Aaron north ( T/ C) 01:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
In conclusion, I think this POV tilt should be easy to correct, and I'd rather leave it to the editors to figure out how to go about doing this. I also want to say that it is not my intention that the balance be over-corrected towards a "pro death penalty" POV either. That would also be inappropriate. Aaron north ( T/ C) 01:38, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
This article states that "Some followers of Mormonism are taught that murder is so heinous that the blood of the offender must be spilled to pay for their sins" and cites a BBC article to support this assertion. The BBC article quotes an article in the Salt Lake Tribine, which discusses an "arcane [i.e. mysterious, secret, obscure] LDS belief that a murderer must shed his own blood -- literally -- to be forgiven by God." It then goes on to say that the LDS church "disavows any connection to blood atonement," and includes a direct quote from the official church statement on the issue, which the Wikipedia article also quotes. Thus the original statement directly contradicts the church's stated position and could be considered inflammatory. I believe a better phrasing would be something to the effect of "There has been speculation that some followers of Mormonism believe that murder is so heinous that the blood of the offender must be spilled to pay for their sins, although this is not official church doctrine." I also think the original Salt Lake Tribune article should be cited, rather than the BBC article.
Also, the pronoun "their" doesn't agree with its antecedent, "offender."
Thank you.
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