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The section on his broadcasting career doesn't site any sources except one to prove that he is in fact the color man for Cubs Radio. I think all of the stuff about his charming sense of humor should be taken out because in real life, he's totally annoying as an anouncer. Whatever you think of his "sense of humor" it doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.85.116 ( talk) 22:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Can someone out there cite this sentence from the Hall of Fame section on Ron Santo? The reader can't tell if this is a quote from a baseball authority or not:
Despite his numbers away from the Friendly Confines of Wrigley Field, Santo was a great all-around player and in 1964, was described as "arguably the best active player in baseball".
This guy should get into the Hall of Fame - ( CFIF 22:20, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC))
It is interesting comparing numbers from an era when "enhanced performance" was not spoken about with a player with a live threatening illness who still was able to be near the top of the lists —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.67.6.14 ( talk) 18:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Mea culpa, I am breaking Wiki rules by writing this signed comment. The unsigned comments above arguing against Santo for HOF are moronic. Yes Jeter is an obvious HOFer, althought his Gold Glove in 2010 was a pathetic joke, at present he is just about the worst fielder among MLB starting shortstops. The Yankees were also pathetic in 2010, as they are every year they do not win the World Series, considering their payroll and the number of cheating juicers (A-Rod, Pettitte, Clemens, Giambi) they have employed. I write all of this just to tweak the simpleton who wrote the moronic unsigned comment above. All of which is irrelevant to Santo.
When Santo was eligible for BBWAA voting for the HOF, there were 7 3Bs in the HOF. Then and now, there were and are fewer 3Bs in the HOF than any other position. By ANY objective measure, Santo was clearly superior to 5 of those 7 3Bs. Bill James (the guru) clearly supports this point. Eventually, 3 more 3Bs (Brett, Schmidt and Boggs) were elected who are superior to Santo. Brooks Robinson was also elected: Santo vs. Robby is a close call. So now, Santo is better than 5 incumbent 3Bs, he is lesser than 5 others, and virtually even with one more. Santo is the 6th or 7th best 3B of all time. This point is almost inarguable once you examine the factual record. And I will leave aside his human qualities.
By any objective measure, he is obviously a worthy HOFer. He was held back at first by historical circumstance, and later by the arrogance and cronyism of many incumbent HOFers on the Veterans Committee. To say he is not worthy of the HOF is to reveal one of (1) good-faith ignorance (just didn't know the facts but wish I had), or (2) intentional ignorance and simple bias ("Tell your statistics to shut up, I just don't like him"). Both are pathetic excuses for a truly unjust decision. Jrgilb ( talk) 02:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
As someone who thinks Santo obviously belongs in the HOF, I've removed the silly comparison to Mike Schmidt: yes, they're the only two to have 300 HR and 5 Gold Gloves, but Schmidt's having a batting average 10 points below Santo's "in an era noted for weaker pitching" smells of non-NPOV, given Schmidt's other 5 Gold Gloves, his 200+ homers beyond Santo's, and his never having called the Friendly Confines his home park. (No need to mention Schmidt's 3 MVPs, so I won't. Well, not a lot.) Santo was far too good a player to require bogus comparisons like the "300-homers-and-5-third-base-gold-gloves-club" stuff. He was the real deal, and doesn't need anybody ragging on Mike Schmidt for him. RogerLustig 03:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Ryne Sandberg has also had his number retired by the Cubs, but this article does not mention that. Only that three previous players have had said honor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.197.19.242 ( talk) 19:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
I removed a couple of blatant POV statements from the article already. There are probably more. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 17:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Is this [1] a reliable source? ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
This section header implies there was something AFTER retirement; more correctly, "In retirement" he did such & such.
& BTW, someone w/ more recent knowledge than I could give us the particulars, but "post retirement" Santo was a businessman; which is why he was almost 20 years in retirement before he became a broadcaster. In fact, he was still playing when he became a businessman.
The Chicago press, I remember (as a teen Cub fan in the 'burbs during the 60s), gave a good of space to Santo's business ventures: that any athlete could possibly have interests out of uniform was novel. Santo's "The Pro's Pizza" was sold by the slice @Wrigley for some years before Santo retired & was advertised on local Chi. TV (@least on WGN). BubbleDine ( talk) 12:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
(Golden Era, 1947 to 1972)
Golden Era Committee: Article HOF site Reference #39, Retrieved December 2011: elected Santo to HOF on Dec. 5, 2011. There is no longer a "Veterans Committee" since the beginning of 2011.[
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I think there is some confusion regarding Santo's death date. Check out the Daily Herald reference right after the death date in the body of the article. That article provides convincing evidence that he died on 12/3/10 (namely, that his immediate family members saw him alive at 12:30 AM on the 3rd). I know that a lot of sources characterize his death as occurring on 12/2, but I think the source addresses the issue well enough that we shouldn't perpetuate the mistake. Maybe we can add an explanatory footnote to the dates in the lead and/or infobox so that no one gets too confused. Thoughts? EricEnfermero ( Talk) 18:55, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Wiki lists his nationality on google search as "American"..well,we all are. Born in Arizona with a Hispanic surname. So,what was he? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4100:17A5:40AE:1F73:64E6:AD1 ( talk) 17:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
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The section on his broadcasting career doesn't site any sources except one to prove that he is in fact the color man for Cubs Radio. I think all of the stuff about his charming sense of humor should be taken out because in real life, he's totally annoying as an anouncer. Whatever you think of his "sense of humor" it doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.146.85.116 ( talk) 22:55, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Can someone out there cite this sentence from the Hall of Fame section on Ron Santo? The reader can't tell if this is a quote from a baseball authority or not:
Despite his numbers away from the Friendly Confines of Wrigley Field, Santo was a great all-around player and in 1964, was described as "arguably the best active player in baseball".
This guy should get into the Hall of Fame - ( CFIF 22:20, Jun 7, 2005 (UTC))
It is interesting comparing numbers from an era when "enhanced performance" was not spoken about with a player with a live threatening illness who still was able to be near the top of the lists —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.67.6.14 ( talk) 18:25, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Mea culpa, I am breaking Wiki rules by writing this signed comment. The unsigned comments above arguing against Santo for HOF are moronic. Yes Jeter is an obvious HOFer, althought his Gold Glove in 2010 was a pathetic joke, at present he is just about the worst fielder among MLB starting shortstops. The Yankees were also pathetic in 2010, as they are every year they do not win the World Series, considering their payroll and the number of cheating juicers (A-Rod, Pettitte, Clemens, Giambi) they have employed. I write all of this just to tweak the simpleton who wrote the moronic unsigned comment above. All of which is irrelevant to Santo.
When Santo was eligible for BBWAA voting for the HOF, there were 7 3Bs in the HOF. Then and now, there were and are fewer 3Bs in the HOF than any other position. By ANY objective measure, Santo was clearly superior to 5 of those 7 3Bs. Bill James (the guru) clearly supports this point. Eventually, 3 more 3Bs (Brett, Schmidt and Boggs) were elected who are superior to Santo. Brooks Robinson was also elected: Santo vs. Robby is a close call. So now, Santo is better than 5 incumbent 3Bs, he is lesser than 5 others, and virtually even with one more. Santo is the 6th or 7th best 3B of all time. This point is almost inarguable once you examine the factual record. And I will leave aside his human qualities.
By any objective measure, he is obviously a worthy HOFer. He was held back at first by historical circumstance, and later by the arrogance and cronyism of many incumbent HOFers on the Veterans Committee. To say he is not worthy of the HOF is to reveal one of (1) good-faith ignorance (just didn't know the facts but wish I had), or (2) intentional ignorance and simple bias ("Tell your statistics to shut up, I just don't like him"). Both are pathetic excuses for a truly unjust decision. Jrgilb ( talk) 02:50, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
As someone who thinks Santo obviously belongs in the HOF, I've removed the silly comparison to Mike Schmidt: yes, they're the only two to have 300 HR and 5 Gold Gloves, but Schmidt's having a batting average 10 points below Santo's "in an era noted for weaker pitching" smells of non-NPOV, given Schmidt's other 5 Gold Gloves, his 200+ homers beyond Santo's, and his never having called the Friendly Confines his home park. (No need to mention Schmidt's 3 MVPs, so I won't. Well, not a lot.) Santo was far too good a player to require bogus comparisons like the "300-homers-and-5-third-base-gold-gloves-club" stuff. He was the real deal, and doesn't need anybody ragging on Mike Schmidt for him. RogerLustig 03:29, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
Ryne Sandberg has also had his number retired by the Cubs, but this article does not mention that. Only that three previous players have had said honor. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.197.19.242 ( talk) 19:55, 26 April 2007 (UTC).
I removed a couple of blatant POV statements from the article already. There are probably more. - Burpelson AFB ✈ 17:38, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Is this [1] a reliable source? ← Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:06, 26 December 2010 (UTC)
This section header implies there was something AFTER retirement; more correctly, "In retirement" he did such & such.
& BTW, someone w/ more recent knowledge than I could give us the particulars, but "post retirement" Santo was a businessman; which is why he was almost 20 years in retirement before he became a broadcaster. In fact, he was still playing when he became a businessman.
The Chicago press, I remember (as a teen Cub fan in the 'burbs during the 60s), gave a good of space to Santo's business ventures: that any athlete could possibly have interests out of uniform was novel. Santo's "The Pro's Pizza" was sold by the slice @Wrigley for some years before Santo retired & was advertised on local Chi. TV (@least on WGN). BubbleDine ( talk) 12:55, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
(Golden Era, 1947 to 1972)
Golden Era Committee: Article HOF site Reference #39, Retrieved December 2011: elected Santo to HOF on Dec. 5, 2011. There is no longer a "Veterans Committee" since the beginning of 2011.[
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I think there is some confusion regarding Santo's death date. Check out the Daily Herald reference right after the death date in the body of the article. That article provides convincing evidence that he died on 12/3/10 (namely, that his immediate family members saw him alive at 12:30 AM on the 3rd). I know that a lot of sources characterize his death as occurring on 12/2, but I think the source addresses the issue well enough that we shouldn't perpetuate the mistake. Maybe we can add an explanatory footnote to the dates in the lead and/or infobox so that no one gets too confused. Thoughts? EricEnfermero ( Talk) 18:55, 12 July 2016 (UTC)
Wiki lists his nationality on google search as "American"..well,we all are. Born in Arizona with a Hispanic surname. So,what was he? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:642:4100:17A5:40AE:1F73:64E6:AD1 ( talk) 17:51, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
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