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DeSantis' handling of COVID-19 makes up something like half of the section of the article devoted to his tenure as the Governor of Florida (his main source of notability), and extensive sourcing support the idea that this is in fact a major part of his biography. As far as I can tell, the majority of national coverage of DeSantis for the past year has focused on this topic; nor is there any particular reason to think it will die down. I definitely don't think we can remove it from the lead. -- Aquillion ( talk) 20:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
"During the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic in Florida, DeSantis had positive approval ratings and was referred to as the most "politically ascendant" governor in the country as the state fared better than many others despite resisting restrictions such as face mask mandates, stay-at-home orders and vaccination requirements. However, he earned criticism, including from President Biden, when he banned public schools from implementing mask mandates as the state experienced a record surge in COVID-19 cases in July and August 2021."
"During the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic in Florida, DeSantis was referred to as the most “politically ascendant" governor in the country as the state fared better than many others despite resisting restrictions such as face mask mandates, stay-at-home orders and vaccination requirements. However, he later earned criticism when he banned public schools from implementing mask mandates as the state experienced a record surge in COVID-19 cases in July and August 2021."
I find it very perplexing that the LOW Covid numbers in FL now (December 2021) under the guidance of DeSantis are not listed/updated. Last item listed is the summer surge.
Could that be due to a liberal leaning stance by Wikipedia or are you going to update it now? Please do.
FL has the 8th lowest Covid death rate in the country. Please update. 69.115.6.218 ( talk) 14:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
This should be changed to the more neutral term "Cannabis". Valgrus Thunderaxe ( talk) 17:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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Ron DeSantis' grandfather's name was not "Salvadore." It was "Salvatore." Sgangemi ( talk) 17:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
My most recent contribution was undone (though not completely) by AlsoWaukai for not being neutral (or neutral enough?). To this I ask: how is the trend of cherry-picking low points in Florida's battle with Covid "neutral", but stating where its hospitalization rate currently stands in relation to Washington D.C. (it's half), as well places with mask-mandates currently in place a violation of NPOV? The original contrib as written doesn't even contain adjectives, if I recall correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkeeran ( talk • contribs) 18:22, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
After reviewing the lead to the article, I've noticed that there are no citations for any of the claims made in the opening. Do we have any plans to resolve this, as it appears to be drawing many individual claims of bias given the status of the individual involved and the nature of the claims being made against him. It would be helpful to get a handle on this so as not to attract the wrong kind of attention. Vivaporius ( talk) 10:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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change "Ron DeSantis 2020 (cropped).jpg" with "Gov Ron DeSantis Portrait.jpg" Ex-Facto ( talk) 01:20, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Can we remove this? It is somewhat editorialized and rhetoric. 2600:8801:DF00:1C9:1155:D6E0:576F:ACA8 ( talk) 04:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Someone edited this entry and botched the formatting. Can someone look at this? Valgrus Thunderaxe ( talk) 21:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I removed this:The proclamation misgenders Thomas as male.
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Likeanechointheforest says there's a guideline that justifies inclusion even though there's no coverage. Seems like this would have to receive some coverage for it to be included in the article. I could always be wrong though. Thanks! Nemov ( talk) 19:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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"Assigned to SEAL Team One," to a general audience, implies that DeSantis was a Navy SEAL (i.e. BUDS/SQT graduate, authorized to wear Special Warfare insignia). This is clarified further down, but misleading in the more prominent Intro. Serving in an advisory capacity, while important and helpful, does not make you a Navy SEAL. The average person might (and probably would) assume being "assigned to SEAL Team One" could only mean that he was a core member of that group. The section is locked but I think "served as an advisor to SEAL Team One" is a fairer statement that still reflects this prestigious contribution, but does not, at-first-glance, imply that DeSantis was a commando. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billcarton ( talk • contribs) 13:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
After Donald Trump lost the 2020 election and refused to concede while making false claims of fraud, DeSantis and other Republicans proposed changes to restrict voting rights in Florida. DeSantis called for eliminating ballot drop boxes, as well as limiting voting by mail by requiring that voters re-register every year to vote by mail and requiring that signatures on mail-in ballots "must match the most recent signature on file" (rather than any of the voter's signatures in the Florida system).[302][303] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.163.222 ( talk) 10:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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Gun law DeSantis opposes gun control. He received an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association.[252] He generally opposes firearm regulation, saying, "Very rarely do firearms restrictions affect criminals. They really only affect law-abiding citizens."[253]
After the 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Florida, DeSantis expressed his support for hiring retired law enforcement officers and military veterans as armed guards for schools.[254] He disagrees with legislation Governor Rick Scott signed that banned bump stocks, added a mandatory three-day waiting period for gun long gun purchases, and raised the legal age for purchases from 18 to 21.[18] He has expressed support for measures to improve federal background checks for purchasing firearms and has said that there is a need to intervene with those who are exhibiting warning signs of committing violence instead of waiting until a crime has been committed.[254] 107.199.21.48 ( talk) 21:33, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Ron Desantis owns large amounts of stock in COVID medication. Medication that's been proven to have zero effect on COVID however they're allowed to continue operating above the law because of his political reach. He's going after Disney but not big pharma??? DON'T BE DUMB REPUBLICUNTS. OPEN YOUR EYES, YOU'RE BEING PLAYED LIKE A FIDDLE. 2001:48F8:7028:934:3420:251D:5B0E:98AC ( talk) 10:13, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
I think I have adequately explained in my edit summary that this content is deeply flawed on multiple levels and must be excluded. Frankly, it's one of the weakest edits I've seen in quite some time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ron_DeSantis&diff=1082242254&oldid=1082241130
soibangla ( talk) 03:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Florida ranks 28th out of all 50 U.S. states in COVID-19 mortality, only slightly different than California
When it came to the three categories of mortality, economy, and schooling, New Jersey, New York, and California were among the worst across all three categories.
how tangentially this is actually related to Ron DeSantisYeah, there's that, too. I hadn't gotten around to that part yet. soibangla ( talk) 16:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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In the "Political Positions" section of this article under "Contraceptives and abortion" the article states that:
"On April 14, 2022, DeSantis signed into law a bill that bans abortion after 15 months of pregnancy without exemptions for rape, human trafficking or incest."
However, the citation points to a CNN article titled "DeSantis signs Florida's 15-week abortion ban into law". I think this would indicate that the bill bans abortion after 15 weeks (not months) of pregnancy. Additionally, most human pregnancies do not take more than 9 months. Usersuponusers ( talk) 04:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
At /info/en/?search=Ron_DeSantis#Russia_investigation... I'd recommend someone split the Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman link cuz why not:
On October 10, 2019, a spokesman for DeSantis announced that he would be "returning a political contribution he received from two Soviet-born businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, through their company Global Energy Producers.
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On October 10, 2019, a spokesman for DeSantis announced that he would be "returning a political contribution he received from two Soviet-born businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, through their company Global Energy Producers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:9600:52C0:B85B:B81B:5BB1:71E2 ( talk) 04:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
I made this edit shortening the info about his deceased sister and her fiancé. Nether he nor she was a public figure, and detailing her education (and his work history) seems out of place here. It’s especially odd to include so many details without a cause of death. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 23:47, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Here's a clumsy sentence: In 2020, Tony admitted to withholding a murder arrest from DeSantis during the vetting process. Huh? This probably made sense to whoever wrote it, since they already knew the story, but to the unenlightened, it starts out sounding like Tony delayed arresting some for murder. Then the "…from DeSantis…" part makes no sense. I read it three times and never figured it out. I'm changing it to this: In 2020, Tony admitted that, during the vetting process, he had failed to disclose a past arrest for murder when he was 14. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 06:45, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I’m going to revise this part of the BLP a bit more, using this source:
Swisher, Skyler and Mann, Anthony. “‘I didn’t even know the guy.’ Gov. Ron DeSantis distances himself from Broward Sheriff Gregory Tony, whom he appointed’”, South Florida Sun Sentinel (4 May 2020).
“ | The Republican governor said the shooting never came up in a background check because it was deemed to be self-defense, and he’ll leave it to Broward voters to decide who should be sheriff…. DeSantis suggested it wouldn’t have changed his decision if he had known about the killing. He said he liked Tony because he came from a “real tough upbringing,” played football for Florida State University, and had been a “great law enforcement officer….It seems like he was in a very rough neighborhood, and he was trying to defend his family,” DeSantis said. | ” |
Gregory Tony was subsequently elected to the position to which DeSantis had appointed him. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 06:07, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
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I would omit military service from opening sentence, because it’s mainly in the past, the details are given later in this BLP, we don’t even know his current rank in the Navy Reserve, etc. I’d also omit from the opening sentence that he’s an American and a politician, because that’s redundant given that we say he’s the Governor of Florida. As for being an attorney, that’s not very notable, but if it has to go into the opening paragraph it still doesn’t need to go in the opening sentence. The opening sentence should be short and sweet. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 22:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
After discussing this matter at BLPN, they say neither proposed version is easy to understand, and that we should make this matter coherent. Then, if there is still an NPOV dispute, they suggest an RFC. So, I would revise the material as follows (coherence requires greater length):
“ | During an interview on the The Laura Ingraham Show on November 5, 2020 DeSantis commented about alleged voter fraud in the 2020 United States presidential election; he said that Republican-controlled state legislatures should step in to influence the process by providing “remedies” if there are violations of election laws, “to make sure we have a fair count“. That statement by DeSantis on Ingraham’s show was interpreted by reporters such as Skyler Swisher of the South Florida Sun Sentinel as an effort to “override the popular vote”. DeSantis then clarified that he only meant state legislators should act pursuant to the Constitution “in the event of a flagrant violation of law.” In the first week of December, he encouraged Trump to "fight on” but conceded that time was running out. | ” |
Here’s the wikitext including the footnotes:
During an interview on the [[The Laura Ingraham Show]] on November 5, 2020 DeSantis [[Republican reactions to Donald Trump's claims of 2020 election fraud|commented about alleged voter fraud]] in the [[2020 United States presidential election]]; he said that Republican-controlled state legislatures should step in to influence the process by providing “remedies” if there are violations of election laws, “to make sure we have a fair count“.<ref>Anderson, Zac. “[https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/06/gov-ron-desantis-said-thursday-trump-should-fight-on-exhaust-all-options/6190127002/ Florida Republicans rally around Trump as he claims voter fraud]”, Sarasota Herald-Tribune (6 Nov. 2020).</ref><ref>”[https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/ingraham-on-election-chaos-president-trump-saw-this-coming.amp Ingraham on election chaos: President Trump 'saw this coming'], [[Fox News]] (transcript of 5 Nov 2020 broadcast).</ref> That statement by DeSantis on Ingraham’s show was interpreted by reporters such as Skyler Swisher of the [[South Florida Sun Sentinel]] as an effort to “override the popular vote”.<ref>Swisher, Skyler. [https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/fl-ne-florida-gop-reaction-20201106-pjqk73ln3jcojggkp2rhezz7ay-story.html “DeSantis floats idea to bypass swing-state voters as Florida GOP backs Trump’s fight to keep the White House”], [[South Florida Sun Sentinel]] (6 Nov 2020).</ref>. DeSantis then clarified that he only meant state legislators should act pursuant to the Constitution “in the event of a flagrant violation of law.”<ref>Donovan, Evan. “[https://www.wfla.com/election/elections-national/desantis-clarifies-comment-on-trump-elector-remedies-by-republican-state-legislatures/amp/ DeSantis clarifies comment on Trump elector ‘remedies’ by Republican state legislatures]”, WFLA-TV (20 Nov 2020).</ref><ref>Moline, Michael. “[https://floridaphoenix.com/2021/01/12/hate-groups-have-been-proliferating-in-fl-during-trump-administration-desantis-says-fl-will-be-prepared/ Hate groups have been proliferating in FL during Trump administration; DeSantis says FL will be prepared]”, [[States Newsroom|Florida Phoenix]] (12 Jan 2021).</ref> In the first week of December, he encouraged Trump to "fight on” but conceded that time was running out.<ref>Skoneki, Mark. “[https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-desantis-trump-fight-on-speech-20201204-qbk4vlygxndlxnns3zcqhasxia-story.html DeSantis urges Trump to ‘fight on’ but concedes time is running out: report]”, Orlando Sentinel (4 Dec 2020).</ref><ref>Fineout, Gary. “[https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/12/03/desantis-tells-trump-to-fight-on-takes-aim-at-science-and-has-beef-with-john-roberts-1341031 DeSantis tells Trump to 'fight on,' takes aim at science and has beef with John Roberts]”, Politico (3 Dec 2020).</ref>
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 07:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
I’d like to revise this paragraph:
“ | DeSantis
openly supported Trump's legal disputes of the
2020 United States presidential election, suggesting state legislatures of states won by
Joe Biden could revolt and select slates of
presidential electors that would instead vote for Trump.[1] He also urged Trump to "fight on."[2] [1] Donovan, Evan. “
DeSantis clarifies comment on Trump elector ‘remedies’ by Republican state legislatures”,
WFLA-TV (20 Nov 2020). |
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I don’t think our text follows the cited sources very well, so I’d suggest something like this:
“ | In November 2020, DeSantis
commented about Trump's legal disputes involving the
2020 United States presidential election, suggesting that a state legislature has constitutional power to remedy a flagrant violation of law, in order to “make sure we have a fair count.”[1] In the first week of December, he encouraged Trump to "fight on” but conceded that time was running out.[2] [1] Donovan, Evan. “
DeSantis clarifies comment on Trump elector ‘remedies’ by Republican state legislatures”,
WFLA-TV (20 Nov 2020). |
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Anythingyouwant ( talk) 07:19, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
I started a discussion at the BLPN Noticeboard. Hopefully that will get some more eyes on this situation. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 01:28, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
There’s a paragraph in this article that starts “In January 2021, legislation drafted by DeSantis was introduced….” The legislation got revised a lot, got passed, and was signed in April 2021. Then part of it was put on ice by the federal courts. So our existing paragraph is pretty much obsolete, and there’s no need to discuss one of several related bills instead of discussing the actual law that got passed and signed. So, when I get a chance, I’ll revise this BLP accordingly. Here are a few sources:
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 01:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
There are numerous reliable sources like this one, plus dozens of local Florida sources that discuss the role of Koch donor money, plus the role of his press secretary, Christina Pushaw, who used to work for Stand Together, a Koch-funded think tank. Further, according to a USA Today-affiliated news outlet, DeSantis has received campaign donations from 42 billionaires. Viriditas ( talk) 01:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
All of this was inserted yesterday and deleted today:
“ | Finances As of January 2021, DeSantis’s personal net worth was about $389,000. His campaign accounts have benefited from many small donations of under $25 as well as donations from out of state and from wealthy donors. [1] DeSantis’s campaign accounts are subject to contribution limits, but his associated political action committee (PAC) can receive unlimited donations. The top donor to the Friends of DeSantis PAC has been the Citadel LLC hedge fund founder Kenneth C. Griffin, who gave $5 million in April 2021 after having given $5.75 million in 2018. [1] [2] Griffin, who is the second largest donor to the 2022 elections nationwide according to the Center for Media and Democracy, [2] is among about 42 billionaires who have donated to DeSantis. [3] Griffin’s political contributions raised some eyebrows when it was reported that his company Citadel had invested $16 million (a part of Citadel’s assets of $39 billion) in Regeneron Pharmaceuticals which provided monoclonal antibodies touted by DeSantis for treatment of Covid 19. [4] A DeSantis spokesperson said that any suggestion of corruption over this small connection to Griffin via Regeneron was illogical. [4] The spokesperson has also said that the Governor’s position in favor of revoking The Walt Disney Company’s special tax status “still stands” after Griffin criticized DeSantis about it. [5] |
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I think it was a helpful addition. Anyone else want to comment about it? Anythingyouwant ( talk) 14:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
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The explanation for reverting my edit doesn't make sense. Here are the two versions:
DeSantis came under scrutiny after he referred to Gillum's positions saying, "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state." He was accused by then-chair of the Florida Democratic Party Terrie Rizzo of using the verb "monkey" as a racist dog whistle. Gillum, his African-American opponent, also alleged that it was racist. The incident received widespread media coverage; DeSantis denied that his comment was meant to be racially charged.
DeSantis was widely criticized for his use of racially-charged dogwhistle references to Gillum during the campaign. He came under scrutiny after he referred to Gillum's positions saying, "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state." He was accused by then-chair of the Florida Democratic Party Terrie Rizzo of using the verb "monkey" as a racist dog whistle. Gillum, his African-American opponent, also alleged that it was racist. The incident received widespread media coverage; DeSantis denied that his comment was meant to be racially charged.
SPECIFICO justifies the inclusion based on context and the reporting of repeated dogwhistle language in his campaign appears in the cited sources and needs contextualize the article content, which is not about a one-time gaffe
. I'm not sure how that included text does any of those things. The first version says the converge was widespread. The first version mentions dogwhistle. There's no mention of "one-time gaffe" in either version. This is an odd thing to be reverting, but since you did is there support for keeping version 2?
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I provided citations that Verify the text I added-- You absolutely did not, that is incorrect. Endwise ( talk) 18:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I added several references, each of which supports the content I addedYou've asserted that, and my comment above explains why it's incorrect. Your addition stated in Wikipedia's voice that DeSantis used a
racially-charged dogwhistle. Reliable sources present that as an opinion of critics of his, rather than stating it as fact in their own voice. For instance, NBC News said
Terrie Rizzo, chairwoman of the Florida Democratic Party, said, "It's disgusting that Ron DeSantis is launching his general election campaign with racist dog whistles."
Here is some of the national coverage of his statement against racial discrimination:
This BLP reports his political positions about Cannabis, Contraceptives and abortion, Economy, Education, Environment, Foreign relations, Gun law, Health care, Immigration, LGBT rights, Russia, Technology, Veterans, Voting rights, and Law enforcement. Why not racial discrimination?
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It's still no good.
So no, it's still no good. Maybe an RfC is the next step if the small group of editors here are going to insist on this bad content. SPECIFICO talk 18:56, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
It would be much appreciated. Thanks. You da real mvp. CAPTAIN KOOKY ( talk) 17:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
It would be better if the last paragraph of the lead were more general, instead of focusing on two particular issues (covid and how to teach third graders). I don’t think the coverage of those two issues is done well in the lead (e.g. we say the latter legislation was “controversial” despite contrary advice at WP:Contentious which discourages such labels). But more importantly, the last paragraph of a BLP lead should not be so narrow. I suggest something like this instead:
“ | DeSantis is not a charismatic speaker and is often polarizing, but he espouses his libertarian vision of government in clear and complete sentences. His work ethic and familiarity with policy have proved sufficient to remake the political landscape in Florida, with registered Republicans exceeding registered Democrats in Florida for the first time as of 2021. DeSantis is up for reelection as Governor in 2022, and is polling well for president in 2024. | ” |
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 10:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
controversial, this is based on a common misunderstanding of WP:WTW. Such labels are supposed to be used if they are widely used in sources to describe the subject, as is the case here. They're only discouraged when there is inadequate sourcing. -- Aquillion ( talk) 03:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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Change "After Donald Trump lost the 2020 election and refused to concede while making false claims of widespread voter fraud" to "After Donald Trump lost the 2020 election and refused to concede while making claims of widespread voter fraud" 67.86.37.28 ( talk) 16:42, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Wjolivarez's recent addition to the section regarding DeSantis's role in the passage of HB 1557 reflects political bias and is grammatically repetitive. Unable to revert due to protected status of page. 124467h ( talk) 00:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
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DeSantis' handling of COVID-19 makes up something like half of the section of the article devoted to his tenure as the Governor of Florida (his main source of notability), and extensive sourcing support the idea that this is in fact a major part of his biography. As far as I can tell, the majority of national coverage of DeSantis for the past year has focused on this topic; nor is there any particular reason to think it will die down. I definitely don't think we can remove it from the lead. -- Aquillion ( talk) 20:35, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
"During the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic in Florida, DeSantis had positive approval ratings and was referred to as the most "politically ascendant" governor in the country as the state fared better than many others despite resisting restrictions such as face mask mandates, stay-at-home orders and vaccination requirements. However, he earned criticism, including from President Biden, when he banned public schools from implementing mask mandates as the state experienced a record surge in COVID-19 cases in July and August 2021."
"During the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic in Florida, DeSantis was referred to as the most “politically ascendant" governor in the country as the state fared better than many others despite resisting restrictions such as face mask mandates, stay-at-home orders and vaccination requirements. However, he later earned criticism when he banned public schools from implementing mask mandates as the state experienced a record surge in COVID-19 cases in July and August 2021."
I find it very perplexing that the LOW Covid numbers in FL now (December 2021) under the guidance of DeSantis are not listed/updated. Last item listed is the summer surge.
Could that be due to a liberal leaning stance by Wikipedia or are you going to update it now? Please do.
FL has the 8th lowest Covid death rate in the country. Please update. 69.115.6.218 ( talk) 14:58, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
This should be changed to the more neutral term "Cannabis". Valgrus Thunderaxe ( talk) 17:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
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Ron DeSantis' grandfather's name was not "Salvadore." It was "Salvatore." Sgangemi ( talk) 17:57, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
My most recent contribution was undone (though not completely) by AlsoWaukai for not being neutral (or neutral enough?). To this I ask: how is the trend of cherry-picking low points in Florida's battle with Covid "neutral", but stating where its hospitalization rate currently stands in relation to Washington D.C. (it's half), as well places with mask-mandates currently in place a violation of NPOV? The original contrib as written doesn't even contain adjectives, if I recall correctly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kkeeran ( talk • contribs) 18:22, 20 January 2022 (UTC)
After reviewing the lead to the article, I've noticed that there are no citations for any of the claims made in the opening. Do we have any plans to resolve this, as it appears to be drawing many individual claims of bias given the status of the individual involved and the nature of the claims being made against him. It would be helpful to get a handle on this so as not to attract the wrong kind of attention. Vivaporius ( talk) 10:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
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change "Ron DeSantis 2020 (cropped).jpg" with "Gov Ron DeSantis Portrait.jpg" Ex-Facto ( talk) 01:20, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
Can we remove this? It is somewhat editorialized and rhetoric. 2600:8801:DF00:1C9:1155:D6E0:576F:ACA8 ( talk) 04:17, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
Someone edited this entry and botched the formatting. Can someone look at this? Valgrus Thunderaxe ( talk) 21:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
I removed this:The proclamation misgenders Thomas as male.
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Likeanechointheforest says there's a guideline that justifies inclusion even though there's no coverage. Seems like this would have to receive some coverage for it to be included in the article. I could always be wrong though. Thanks! Nemov ( talk) 19:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
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"Assigned to SEAL Team One," to a general audience, implies that DeSantis was a Navy SEAL (i.e. BUDS/SQT graduate, authorized to wear Special Warfare insignia). This is clarified further down, but misleading in the more prominent Intro. Serving in an advisory capacity, while important and helpful, does not make you a Navy SEAL. The average person might (and probably would) assume being "assigned to SEAL Team One" could only mean that he was a core member of that group. The section is locked but I think "served as an advisor to SEAL Team One" is a fairer statement that still reflects this prestigious contribution, but does not, at-first-glance, imply that DeSantis was a commando. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Billcarton ( talk • contribs) 13:46, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
After Donald Trump lost the 2020 election and refused to concede while making false claims of fraud, DeSantis and other Republicans proposed changes to restrict voting rights in Florida. DeSantis called for eliminating ballot drop boxes, as well as limiting voting by mail by requiring that voters re-register every year to vote by mail and requiring that signatures on mail-in ballots "must match the most recent signature on file" (rather than any of the voter's signatures in the Florida system).[302][303] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.131.163.222 ( talk) 10:49, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
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Gun law DeSantis opposes gun control. He received an A+ rating from the National Rifle Association.[252] He generally opposes firearm regulation, saying, "Very rarely do firearms restrictions affect criminals. They really only affect law-abiding citizens."[253]
After the 2018 Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Parkland, Florida, DeSantis expressed his support for hiring retired law enforcement officers and military veterans as armed guards for schools.[254] He disagrees with legislation Governor Rick Scott signed that banned bump stocks, added a mandatory three-day waiting period for gun long gun purchases, and raised the legal age for purchases from 18 to 21.[18] He has expressed support for measures to improve federal background checks for purchasing firearms and has said that there is a need to intervene with those who are exhibiting warning signs of committing violence instead of waiting until a crime has been committed.[254] 107.199.21.48 ( talk) 21:33, 31 March 2022 (UTC)
Ron Desantis owns large amounts of stock in COVID medication. Medication that's been proven to have zero effect on COVID however they're allowed to continue operating above the law because of his political reach. He's going after Disney but not big pharma??? DON'T BE DUMB REPUBLICUNTS. OPEN YOUR EYES, YOU'RE BEING PLAYED LIKE A FIDDLE. 2001:48F8:7028:934:3420:251D:5B0E:98AC ( talk) 10:13, 1 April 2022 (UTC)
I think I have adequately explained in my edit summary that this content is deeply flawed on multiple levels and must be excluded. Frankly, it's one of the weakest edits I've seen in quite some time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Ron_DeSantis&diff=1082242254&oldid=1082241130
soibangla ( talk) 03:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Florida ranks 28th out of all 50 U.S. states in COVID-19 mortality, only slightly different than California
When it came to the three categories of mortality, economy, and schooling, New Jersey, New York, and California were among the worst across all three categories.
how tangentially this is actually related to Ron DeSantisYeah, there's that, too. I hadn't gotten around to that part yet. soibangla ( talk) 16:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
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In the "Political Positions" section of this article under "Contraceptives and abortion" the article states that:
"On April 14, 2022, DeSantis signed into law a bill that bans abortion after 15 months of pregnancy without exemptions for rape, human trafficking or incest."
However, the citation points to a CNN article titled "DeSantis signs Florida's 15-week abortion ban into law". I think this would indicate that the bill bans abortion after 15 weeks (not months) of pregnancy. Additionally, most human pregnancies do not take more than 9 months. Usersuponusers ( talk) 04:54, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
At /info/en/?search=Ron_DeSantis#Russia_investigation... I'd recommend someone split the Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman link cuz why not:
On October 10, 2019, a spokesman for DeSantis announced that he would be "returning a political contribution he received from two Soviet-born businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, through their company Global Energy Producers.
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On October 10, 2019, a spokesman for DeSantis announced that he would be "returning a political contribution he received from two Soviet-born businessmen, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, through their company Global Energy Producers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:6011:9600:52C0:B85B:B81B:5BB1:71E2 ( talk) 04:04, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
I made this edit shortening the info about his deceased sister and her fiancé. Nether he nor she was a public figure, and detailing her education (and his work history) seems out of place here. It’s especially odd to include so many details without a cause of death. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 23:47, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
Here's a clumsy sentence: In 2020, Tony admitted to withholding a murder arrest from DeSantis during the vetting process. Huh? This probably made sense to whoever wrote it, since they already knew the story, but to the unenlightened, it starts out sounding like Tony delayed arresting some for murder. Then the "…from DeSantis…" part makes no sense. I read it three times and never figured it out. I'm changing it to this: In 2020, Tony admitted that, during the vetting process, he had failed to disclose a past arrest for murder when he was 14. — MiguelMunoz ( talk) 06:45, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I’m going to revise this part of the BLP a bit more, using this source:
Swisher, Skyler and Mann, Anthony. “‘I didn’t even know the guy.’ Gov. Ron DeSantis distances himself from Broward Sheriff Gregory Tony, whom he appointed’”, South Florida Sun Sentinel (4 May 2020).
“ | The Republican governor said the shooting never came up in a background check because it was deemed to be self-defense, and he’ll leave it to Broward voters to decide who should be sheriff…. DeSantis suggested it wouldn’t have changed his decision if he had known about the killing. He said he liked Tony because he came from a “real tough upbringing,” played football for Florida State University, and had been a “great law enforcement officer….It seems like he was in a very rough neighborhood, and he was trying to defend his family,” DeSantis said. | ” |
Gregory Tony was subsequently elected to the position to which DeSantis had appointed him. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 06:07, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
Per MOS:FIRSTBIO:
“ | The first sentence should usually state:
1. Name(s) and title(s), if any. |
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I would omit military service from opening sentence, because it’s mainly in the past, the details are given later in this BLP, we don’t even know his current rank in the Navy Reserve, etc. I’d also omit from the opening sentence that he’s an American and a politician, because that’s redundant given that we say he’s the Governor of Florida. As for being an attorney, that’s not very notable, but if it has to go into the opening paragraph it still doesn’t need to go in the opening sentence. The opening sentence should be short and sweet. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 22:01, 9 June 2022 (UTC)
After discussing this matter at BLPN, they say neither proposed version is easy to understand, and that we should make this matter coherent. Then, if there is still an NPOV dispute, they suggest an RFC. So, I would revise the material as follows (coherence requires greater length):
“ | During an interview on the The Laura Ingraham Show on November 5, 2020 DeSantis commented about alleged voter fraud in the 2020 United States presidential election; he said that Republican-controlled state legislatures should step in to influence the process by providing “remedies” if there are violations of election laws, “to make sure we have a fair count“. That statement by DeSantis on Ingraham’s show was interpreted by reporters such as Skyler Swisher of the South Florida Sun Sentinel as an effort to “override the popular vote”. DeSantis then clarified that he only meant state legislators should act pursuant to the Constitution “in the event of a flagrant violation of law.” In the first week of December, he encouraged Trump to "fight on” but conceded that time was running out. | ” |
Here’s the wikitext including the footnotes:
During an interview on the [[The Laura Ingraham Show]] on November 5, 2020 DeSantis [[Republican reactions to Donald Trump's claims of 2020 election fraud|commented about alleged voter fraud]] in the [[2020 United States presidential election]]; he said that Republican-controlled state legislatures should step in to influence the process by providing “remedies” if there are violations of election laws, “to make sure we have a fair count“.<ref>Anderson, Zac. “[https://www.heraldtribune.com/story/news/politics/2020/11/06/gov-ron-desantis-said-thursday-trump-should-fight-on-exhaust-all-options/6190127002/ Florida Republicans rally around Trump as he claims voter fraud]”, Sarasota Herald-Tribune (6 Nov. 2020).</ref><ref>”[https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/ingraham-on-election-chaos-president-trump-saw-this-coming.amp Ingraham on election chaos: President Trump 'saw this coming'], [[Fox News]] (transcript of 5 Nov 2020 broadcast).</ref> That statement by DeSantis on Ingraham’s show was interpreted by reporters such as Skyler Swisher of the [[South Florida Sun Sentinel]] as an effort to “override the popular vote”.<ref>Swisher, Skyler. [https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/elections/fl-ne-florida-gop-reaction-20201106-pjqk73ln3jcojggkp2rhezz7ay-story.html “DeSantis floats idea to bypass swing-state voters as Florida GOP backs Trump’s fight to keep the White House”], [[South Florida Sun Sentinel]] (6 Nov 2020).</ref>. DeSantis then clarified that he only meant state legislators should act pursuant to the Constitution “in the event of a flagrant violation of law.”<ref>Donovan, Evan. “[https://www.wfla.com/election/elections-national/desantis-clarifies-comment-on-trump-elector-remedies-by-republican-state-legislatures/amp/ DeSantis clarifies comment on Trump elector ‘remedies’ by Republican state legislatures]”, WFLA-TV (20 Nov 2020).</ref><ref>Moline, Michael. “[https://floridaphoenix.com/2021/01/12/hate-groups-have-been-proliferating-in-fl-during-trump-administration-desantis-says-fl-will-be-prepared/ Hate groups have been proliferating in FL during Trump administration; DeSantis says FL will be prepared]”, [[States Newsroom|Florida Phoenix]] (12 Jan 2021).</ref> In the first week of December, he encouraged Trump to "fight on” but conceded that time was running out.<ref>Skoneki, Mark. “[https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-desantis-trump-fight-on-speech-20201204-qbk4vlygxndlxnns3zcqhasxia-story.html DeSantis urges Trump to ‘fight on’ but concedes time is running out: report]”, Orlando Sentinel (4 Dec 2020).</ref><ref>Fineout, Gary. “[https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2020/12/03/desantis-tells-trump-to-fight-on-takes-aim-at-science-and-has-beef-with-john-roberts-1341031 DeSantis tells Trump to 'fight on,' takes aim at science and has beef with John Roberts]”, Politico (3 Dec 2020).</ref>
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 07:47, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
I’d like to revise this paragraph:
“ | DeSantis
openly supported Trump's legal disputes of the
2020 United States presidential election, suggesting state legislatures of states won by
Joe Biden could revolt and select slates of
presidential electors that would instead vote for Trump.[1] He also urged Trump to "fight on."[2] [1] Donovan, Evan. “
DeSantis clarifies comment on Trump elector ‘remedies’ by Republican state legislatures”,
WFLA-TV (20 Nov 2020). |
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I don’t think our text follows the cited sources very well, so I’d suggest something like this:
“ | In November 2020, DeSantis
commented about Trump's legal disputes involving the
2020 United States presidential election, suggesting that a state legislature has constitutional power to remedy a flagrant violation of law, in order to “make sure we have a fair count.”[1] In the first week of December, he encouraged Trump to "fight on” but conceded that time was running out.[2] [1] Donovan, Evan. “
DeSantis clarifies comment on Trump elector ‘remedies’ by Republican state legislatures”,
WFLA-TV (20 Nov 2020). |
” |
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 07:19, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
I started a discussion at the BLPN Noticeboard. Hopefully that will get some more eyes on this situation. Anythingyouwant ( talk) 01:28, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
There’s a paragraph in this article that starts “In January 2021, legislation drafted by DeSantis was introduced….” The legislation got revised a lot, got passed, and was signed in April 2021. Then part of it was put on ice by the federal courts. So our existing paragraph is pretty much obsolete, and there’s no need to discuss one of several related bills instead of discussing the actual law that got passed and signed. So, when I get a chance, I’ll revise this BLP accordingly. Here are a few sources:
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 01:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
There are numerous reliable sources like this one, plus dozens of local Florida sources that discuss the role of Koch donor money, plus the role of his press secretary, Christina Pushaw, who used to work for Stand Together, a Koch-funded think tank. Further, according to a USA Today-affiliated news outlet, DeSantis has received campaign donations from 42 billionaires. Viriditas ( talk) 01:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
All of this was inserted yesterday and deleted today:
“ | Finances As of January 2021, DeSantis’s personal net worth was about $389,000. His campaign accounts have benefited from many small donations of under $25 as well as donations from out of state and from wealthy donors. [1] DeSantis’s campaign accounts are subject to contribution limits, but his associated political action committee (PAC) can receive unlimited donations. The top donor to the Friends of DeSantis PAC has been the Citadel LLC hedge fund founder Kenneth C. Griffin, who gave $5 million in April 2021 after having given $5.75 million in 2018. [1] [2] Griffin, who is the second largest donor to the 2022 elections nationwide according to the Center for Media and Democracy, [2] is among about 42 billionaires who have donated to DeSantis. [3] Griffin’s political contributions raised some eyebrows when it was reported that his company Citadel had invested $16 million (a part of Citadel’s assets of $39 billion) in Regeneron Pharmaceuticals which provided monoclonal antibodies touted by DeSantis for treatment of Covid 19. [4] A DeSantis spokesperson said that any suggestion of corruption over this small connection to Griffin via Regeneron was illogical. [4] The spokesperson has also said that the Governor’s position in favor of revoking The Walt Disney Company’s special tax status “still stands” after Griffin criticized DeSantis about it. [5] |
” |
References
I think it was a helpful addition. Anyone else want to comment about it? Anythingyouwant ( talk) 14:26, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The explanation for reverting my edit doesn't make sense. Here are the two versions:
DeSantis came under scrutiny after he referred to Gillum's positions saying, "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state." He was accused by then-chair of the Florida Democratic Party Terrie Rizzo of using the verb "monkey" as a racist dog whistle. Gillum, his African-American opponent, also alleged that it was racist. The incident received widespread media coverage; DeSantis denied that his comment was meant to be racially charged.
DeSantis was widely criticized for his use of racially-charged dogwhistle references to Gillum during the campaign. He came under scrutiny after he referred to Gillum's positions saying, "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state." He was accused by then-chair of the Florida Democratic Party Terrie Rizzo of using the verb "monkey" as a racist dog whistle. Gillum, his African-American opponent, also alleged that it was racist. The incident received widespread media coverage; DeSantis denied that his comment was meant to be racially charged.
SPECIFICO justifies the inclusion based on context and the reporting of repeated dogwhistle language in his campaign appears in the cited sources and needs contextualize the article content, which is not about a one-time gaffe
. I'm not sure how that included text does any of those things. The first version says the converge was widespread. The first version mentions dogwhistle. There's no mention of "one-time gaffe" in either version. This is an odd thing to be reverting, but since you did is there support for keeping version 2?
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I provided citations that Verify the text I added-- You absolutely did not, that is incorrect. Endwise ( talk) 18:41, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
I added several references, each of which supports the content I addedYou've asserted that, and my comment above explains why it's incorrect. Your addition stated in Wikipedia's voice that DeSantis used a
racially-charged dogwhistle. Reliable sources present that as an opinion of critics of his, rather than stating it as fact in their own voice. For instance, NBC News said
Terrie Rizzo, chairwoman of the Florida Democratic Party, said, "It's disgusting that Ron DeSantis is launching his general election campaign with racist dog whistles."
Here is some of the national coverage of his statement against racial discrimination:
This BLP reports his political positions about Cannabis, Contraceptives and abortion, Economy, Education, Environment, Foreign relations, Gun law, Health care, Immigration, LGBT rights, Russia, Technology, Veterans, Voting rights, and Law enforcement. Why not racial discrimination?
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20:21, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
It's still no good.
So no, it's still no good. Maybe an RfC is the next step if the small group of editors here are going to insist on this bad content. SPECIFICO talk 18:56, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
It would be much appreciated. Thanks. You da real mvp. CAPTAIN KOOKY ( talk) 17:53, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
It would be better if the last paragraph of the lead were more general, instead of focusing on two particular issues (covid and how to teach third graders). I don’t think the coverage of those two issues is done well in the lead (e.g. we say the latter legislation was “controversial” despite contrary advice at WP:Contentious which discourages such labels). But more importantly, the last paragraph of a BLP lead should not be so narrow. I suggest something like this instead:
“ | DeSantis is not a charismatic speaker and is often polarizing, but he espouses his libertarian vision of government in clear and complete sentences. His work ethic and familiarity with policy have proved sufficient to remake the political landscape in Florida, with registered Republicans exceeding registered Democrats in Florida for the first time as of 2021. DeSantis is up for reelection as Governor in 2022, and is polling well for president in 2024. | ” |
Anythingyouwant ( talk) 10:42, 16 July 2022 (UTC)
controversial, this is based on a common misunderstanding of WP:WTW. Such labels are supposed to be used if they are widely used in sources to describe the subject, as is the case here. They're only discouraged when there is inadequate sourcing. -- Aquillion ( talk) 03:48, 17 July 2022 (UTC)
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Change "After Donald Trump lost the 2020 election and refused to concede while making false claims of widespread voter fraud" to "After Donald Trump lost the 2020 election and refused to concede while making claims of widespread voter fraud" 67.86.37.28 ( talk) 16:42, 28 July 2022 (UTC)
Wjolivarez's recent addition to the section regarding DeSantis's role in the passage of HB 1557 reflects political bias and is grammatically repetitive. Unable to revert due to protected status of page. 124467h ( talk) 00:02, 6 August 2022 (UTC)