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I thought it would be best to start a discussion before adding this. DeSantis made a public comment about his opponent that is not sitting well with a lot of people. Here's what CNN wrote:
" Calling him "an articulate spokesman" for the far left, DeSantis said during an interview on Fox News when asked about his opponent Gillum, "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state." "
— ' CNN'
I'm not sure if this was a lapsus linguae or a just unfortunate wording. Either way, we may need to include something about it in this article. Other sources: [1] [2] [3] - Mr X 🖋 17:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Mr -- Now that DeSantis has won the GOP primary and is running for governor of Florida, this comment is going to come up again and again and again. We should be sure to address allegations of racial bias, which are being widely covered in the news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Secretlyironic ( talk • contribs) 17:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I disagree. There is nothing inherently racial about the comment. I monkey things up at work when making mistakes. Its a common expression and has nothing to do with race. This is only making a splash as an attempt to take down the candidate. ChickDaniels ( talk) 19:19, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
This is leftist liberal bullshit where anything any republican says is racist just to be clear im talking about the media in reporting this not any user עם ישראל חי ( talk) 20:54, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Furthermore, there is circulating now a quote from 2008 where Obama used the term: Both Parties ‘Have Monkeyed Around With Elections.’ And notice both Obama and DeSantis used the term as a verb, not a noun. This is nothing more than a hit-job on DeSantis in an attempt to derail his campaign, and such a non-issue should never appear in wiki. ChickDaniels ( talk) 12:06, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for proving my point...so some words are ok for one race to say, but not another? Sorry, but I am colorblind, and so a word is either appropriate or it isn't. You can easily do a google search and find numerous examples where monkey is used as a verb by all sorts of writers posting articles for major news orgs. Don't let your hate keep you from the truth. ChickDaniels ( talk) 12:18, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Not every reference to a monkey is a racist slur, but calling a black man a monkey is a racist slur. Saying "that black man, even though he's articulate, is going to monkey things up" sure reeks of racism to anyone who's not trying to ignore the smell. Meanwhile, DeSantis has also recently been revealed to be an admin on a Facebook page that hosts tons of racist and sexist memes, as per the Miami New Times [1] -- this may be yet more evidence worth citing of DeSantis' predilection for "controversial" and "racially charged" language. (To make it clear, those are just polite euphemisms for "racist." Secretlyironic ( talk) 20:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
The previous problem with the second sentence and its claims about "monkey" being perceived as racist language were not NPOV; however, they were original research and synthesis, because the editor who added them used a two-year old source to substantiate the racist undertones of the word and speak about it in Wikipedia's voice. This is still very much a current news story, but now the sources are reporting not just on the comment itself but on reactions to it; I've since tweaked the wording and replaced the dubious source with a current one to reflect that. Everyone commenting here should also remember that the talkpage is for discussing edits, not the logic behind whether or not "monkey" is racist or whether or not it was intended to offend people. Stick to NPOV by sticking to what the RS tell us. Grandpallama ( talk) 18:15, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps there should be a section on "Allegations of racism" --The Miami New Times
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Change 'monkey this up' by electing his Democratic challenger, who is African American.' to "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not going to work. That's not going to be good for Florida."
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20:55, 29 August 2018 (UTC)I don't think that the lead should highlight DeSantis' former position as a JAG attorney regardless of how it's reworded. It is simply not a significant point that should be covered in the lead and DeSantis has been reticent to discuss that part of his career, so it is also WP:UNDUE.- Mr X 🖋 19:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
The entire quote is important as it gives context to DeSantis' comments: "We've got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction. Let's build off the success we've had on Gov. Scott. The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not going to work. That's not going to be good for Florida." The first portion prior to "The last thing we need..." is being removed and should not be removed, in my opinion. Anyone else's thoughts? -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 14:12, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The consensus is to use version 1. Editors found that version 1 discusses the notable aspect of the quote and that version 2 is longer and does not provide more context or make the presentation of the material more neutral.
Which version should be included in the 2018 gubernatorial candidacy section regarding DeSantis' "monkey" comment?
Version 1 (current): "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not going to work. That's not going to be good for Florida."
Version 2: "We've got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction. Let's build off the success we've had on Gov. Scott. The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not going to work. That's not going to be good for Florida."
-- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 16:03, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Support (moved from version 2). This is just as neutral as version 2, which introduces minor trivia, but shorter. I would support making it even shorter, but version 1 is better than version 2. wumbolo ^^^ 17:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
*Support as more neutral, and I suggest not quoting the second sentence (i.e. putting ellipsis instead of it). This all reminds me of when
The New York Times took Trump's "animals" remark out of context. (I am not
watching this page, so please
ping me if you want my attention.)
wumbolo
^^^
17:31, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
We could preface the comment by saying Ron DeSantis said Florida was "going in a good direction" or "going in a good direction" under Scott's leadership and then follow with the quote. I think it's worth providing context and accuracy about what he said. I would leave out the "allegedly racist" part before it and stick to explaining the controversy after. Stay away from weaselly stuff and allegations. Readers can read the comment and why it was controversial and decide for themselves. FloridaArmy ( talk) 16:40, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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Is there anything prior to this that shows even a smidgen of racism on the part of DeSantis?Since you asked: Eight Times Ron DeSantis "Accidentally" Did Racist Stuff - Mr X 🖋 00:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Another reference that could support a section on "allegations of racism" Washington Post article titled "GOP candidate for Fla. governor spoke at racially charged events." [1]. (And yes, "racially charged" is a euphemism for "racist.") Secretlyironic ( talk) 13:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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I am tagging this section as unbalanced and POV. I have taken a couple of steps toward fixing the problem by making the sentence about David Horowitz's events more neutral and adding DeSantis's defense to the accusation that his "monkey" remark was a racist dog whistle (I have no idea whether it was or it wasn't, but either way, it is disgraceful for the encyclopedia to include a paragraph about an accusation against someone without mentioning the person's response to the accusation), but a lot more is needed. The section almost entirely consists of negative information about the campaign; information other than attacks on DeSantis should be added to balance things out. SunCrow ( talk) 06:24, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
One editor removed text on DeSantis attending a racially charged conference (reported on by both WaPo and the Naples Daily Times). The first edit summary [4] inaccurately claimed that the text claimed that DeSantis "attended for racist reasons" (it did not). The second edit summary [5] inaccurately claimed that the content was WP:SYNTH, even though the text adheres entirely to the cited sources, and strangely argued that the text solely belongs on the Wikipedia article for the David Horowitz Freedom Center (even though the noteworthy event here is that a mainstream candidate seeking high office attended the conference - what's notable about the event is DeSantis per RS). Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 19:03, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't like the idea of referring to a conference as racist or racially charged. I don't believe an event should be described as racist. It seems to me it would better to be more specific e.g. to describe the event as one where many racist remarks were made, or one where many racist acts were committed. Slipandslide ( talk) 08:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
This is nazi antisemitism and bigotry... David Horowitz is a Zionist Jew who harbors no ill will to anyone other than those who have called for the extermination of the Jewish people. He's on video calling out supporters of terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah who very publcily have stated they want all Jews to return to Israel so that it's easier to hunt down all Jews for extermination in one fell swoop. Their words, not mine. Labeling Horowitz as racist is absurd. This is just defamation at this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.88.149.241 ( talk) 04:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
With Ron DeSantis' ad stating that his first job was for $6.00 and he had to pay for work boots with his first paycheck, I'd like to see information, in the "Early Life and Education" section, of what that job was, the start and end dates, who he worked for, and what he did for them. I think his use of that job in his ads makes this very relevant. Stevelitt ( talk) 00:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
The news networks still have the election called for Ron Desantis for now, please undo the edit of the person who removed him as being the next governor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.145.105.99 ( talk) 22:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I never said newspapers i said the media networks and the A.P The A.P is the one to usually declare it, Until they say it is too close to call and cancel out the winner it should be stated that he is the winner until they say otherwise — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8000:1AEF:DF00:4039:76EA:6A60:10D0 ( talk) 06:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
There's zero sourcing on this idea that Lopez-Cantera will become governor in January. He probably will, but to say so without a source is original research. (Presumably, such a source would also include the day he's expected to become governor, so we don't have to hedge everything). -- Golbez ( talk) 23:03, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzannoni1956 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
If you look at DeSantis's current photo, it seems that the photo is badly cropped and has too much blank space to it. I removed the photo to a more compact one a few times and the uploader of the photo Zzannoni1956 ( talk) said, and I quote, he was 'using that photo as at its resoltuon (sic) on Wikipedia it looks fine and it looks similar to Lt Gov Nuñez photo and has the state emblem and flag , something that is normally in a official portrait.' However, I checked the source of the photo and it was just cropped from a larger photo of the Governor meeting with someone and is not an official portrait photo. I suggest therefore that we replace the current photo with a few good other photos (the one I initially tried to replace it as). Any thoughts on this? -- Daffy123 ( talk) 08:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
This photo also look okay to me. Os ot the same one more cropped? I don't see a problem including more of his body. Regardless, an official portrait should be released before too long. FloridaArmy ( talk) 16:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
I emailed the governors office twice now about uploading an official photo and they’ve yet to take it or respond to me about it. Their website still hasn’t even updated the biography pages for the Gov. , Lt Gov and the First Lady all of it still says “coming soon” though it’s been now 50 days-- Zzannoni1956
@ Zzannoni1956: You've changed the infobox image way too many times now, so let's refrain from making additional changes. Also, please upload these images to Wikimedia Commons instead. Other than that, the photo of DeSantis at his cabinet meeting is an improvement in terms of graininess, but it's still not clear enough to see all of the details. -- Walk Like an Egyptian ( talk) 06:25, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
I think the current one is fine until he uploads an official portrait the CPAC one is clearer but when you reduce the pixel size anyways when you’re on the Wikipedia page they all look quite grainy. Hopefully by the next few weeks DeSantis will upload an actual photo -- Zzannoni1956 —Preceding undated comment added 14:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Wumbolo takes issue with the article using the word "provocateurs" to describe speakers at David Horowitz Freedom Center conferences. The Washington Post article uses the word provocateurs. Our use of the word in this article does not constitute WP:PLAGIARISM as claimed in Wumbolo's edit summary. Naples Daily News also uses the word "provocateur". Milo Yiannopoulos is frequently referred to as a provocateur [9] and he describes himself as that. Same for Steve Bannon. [10] I'm opening this section so that consensus can be determined. Pinging ContentEditman who is also involved.- Mr X 🖋 12:19, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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change "urged the legislature to support the use of smokeable medical cannabis,[3], and supported budget increases[4]." to "urged the legislature to support the use of smokeable medical cannabis[3], and supported budget increases[4]." 91.139.85.179 ( talk) 23:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
There is a blatant NPOV violation in the lead to this article. [11] I removed this NPOV violation, but it was recently restored by the editor Calidum who is stalking me (the editor has never edited this article before):
Thus, if the lead should cover the actions that DeSantis has taken as Governor, it needs to (i) cover it neutrally and (ii) actually reflect the body of the article. Calidum's rationale for restoring this blatantly inappropriate lead was "Revert large scale removal by a POV pusher", which is not substantive. Furthermore, the fact that the editor stalked me here raises serious questions about the abilities of this editor to contribute to the encyclopedia. The encyclopedia is not a playground for him to destroy just because he is angry at certain editors and wants revenge. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 16:35, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I am done with Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.53.110.139 ( talk) 05:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Content that reflected the body and the language of reliable sources (such as this [12]) has been removed and replaced with language about how DeSantis has been criticized for this or that. The NPOV version that reflects what RS say should be restored. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 04:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Governor DeSantis is not the only governor whose approval ratings have declined since February. One poll had this result back in May, 7 months ago. Including this misleading claim in the header is a clear violation of WP:NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.62.152.16 ( talk) 03:07, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
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I thought it would be best to start a discussion before adding this. DeSantis made a public comment about his opponent that is not sitting well with a lot of people. Here's what CNN wrote:
" Calling him "an articulate spokesman" for the far left, DeSantis said during an interview on Fox News when asked about his opponent Gillum, "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state." "
— ' CNN'
I'm not sure if this was a lapsus linguae or a just unfortunate wording. Either way, we may need to include something about it in this article. Other sources: [1] [2] [3] - Mr X 🖋 17:21, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I agree with Mr -- Now that DeSantis has won the GOP primary and is running for governor of Florida, this comment is going to come up again and again and again. We should be sure to address allegations of racial bias, which are being widely covered in the news. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Secretlyironic ( talk • contribs) 17:39, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
I disagree. There is nothing inherently racial about the comment. I monkey things up at work when making mistakes. Its a common expression and has nothing to do with race. This is only making a splash as an attempt to take down the candidate. ChickDaniels ( talk) 19:19, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
This is leftist liberal bullshit where anything any republican says is racist just to be clear im talking about the media in reporting this not any user עם ישראל חי ( talk) 20:54, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
Furthermore, there is circulating now a quote from 2008 where Obama used the term: Both Parties ‘Have Monkeyed Around With Elections.’ And notice both Obama and DeSantis used the term as a verb, not a noun. This is nothing more than a hit-job on DeSantis in an attempt to derail his campaign, and such a non-issue should never appear in wiki. ChickDaniels ( talk) 12:06, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for proving my point...so some words are ok for one race to say, but not another? Sorry, but I am colorblind, and so a word is either appropriate or it isn't. You can easily do a google search and find numerous examples where monkey is used as a verb by all sorts of writers posting articles for major news orgs. Don't let your hate keep you from the truth. ChickDaniels ( talk) 12:18, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Not every reference to a monkey is a racist slur, but calling a black man a monkey is a racist slur. Saying "that black man, even though he's articulate, is going to monkey things up" sure reeks of racism to anyone who's not trying to ignore the smell. Meanwhile, DeSantis has also recently been revealed to be an admin on a Facebook page that hosts tons of racist and sexist memes, as per the Miami New Times [1] -- this may be yet more evidence worth citing of DeSantis' predilection for "controversial" and "racially charged" language. (To make it clear, those are just polite euphemisms for "racist." Secretlyironic ( talk) 20:27, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
The previous problem with the second sentence and its claims about "monkey" being perceived as racist language were not NPOV; however, they were original research and synthesis, because the editor who added them used a two-year old source to substantiate the racist undertones of the word and speak about it in Wikipedia's voice. This is still very much a current news story, but now the sources are reporting not just on the comment itself but on reactions to it; I've since tweaked the wording and replaced the dubious source with a current one to reflect that. Everyone commenting here should also remember that the talkpage is for discussing edits, not the logic behind whether or not "monkey" is racist or whether or not it was intended to offend people. Stick to NPOV by sticking to what the RS tell us. Grandpallama ( talk) 18:15, 31 August 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps there should be a section on "Allegations of racism" --The Miami New Times
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Change 'monkey this up' by electing his Democratic challenger, who is African American.' to "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not going to work. That's not going to be good for Florida."
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20:55, 29 August 2018 (UTC)I don't think that the lead should highlight DeSantis' former position as a JAG attorney regardless of how it's reworded. It is simply not a significant point that should be covered in the lead and DeSantis has been reticent to discuss that part of his career, so it is also WP:UNDUE.- Mr X 🖋 19:59, 1 September 2018 (UTC)
The entire quote is important as it gives context to DeSantis' comments: "We've got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction. Let's build off the success we've had on Gov. Scott. The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not going to work. That's not going to be good for Florida." The first portion prior to "The last thing we need..." is being removed and should not be removed, in my opinion. Anyone else's thoughts? -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 14:12, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
The consensus is to use version 1. Editors found that version 1 discusses the notable aspect of the quote and that version 2 is longer and does not provide more context or make the presentation of the material more neutral.
Which version should be included in the 2018 gubernatorial candidacy section regarding DeSantis' "monkey" comment?
Version 1 (current): "The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not going to work. That's not going to be good for Florida."
Version 2: "We've got to work hard to make sure that we continue Florida going in a good direction. Let's build off the success we've had on Gov. Scott. The last thing we need to do is to monkey this up by trying to embrace a socialist agenda with huge tax increases and bankrupting the state. That is not going to work. That's not going to be good for Florida."
-- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 16:03, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
Support (moved from version 2). This is just as neutral as version 2, which introduces minor trivia, but shorter. I would support making it even shorter, but version 1 is better than version 2. wumbolo ^^^ 17:26, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
*Support as more neutral, and I suggest not quoting the second sentence (i.e. putting ellipsis instead of it). This all reminds me of when
The New York Times took Trump's "animals" remark out of context. (I am not
watching this page, so please
ping me if you want my attention.)
wumbolo
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We could preface the comment by saying Ron DeSantis said Florida was "going in a good direction" or "going in a good direction" under Scott's leadership and then follow with the quote. I think it's worth providing context and accuracy about what he said. I would leave out the "allegedly racist" part before it and stick to explaining the controversy after. Stay away from weaselly stuff and allegations. Readers can read the comment and why it was controversial and decide for themselves. FloridaArmy ( talk) 16:40, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
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Is there anything prior to this that shows even a smidgen of racism on the part of DeSantis?Since you asked: Eight Times Ron DeSantis "Accidentally" Did Racist Stuff - Mr X 🖋 00:02, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
Another reference that could support a section on "allegations of racism" Washington Post article titled "GOP candidate for Fla. governor spoke at racially charged events." [1]. (And yes, "racially charged" is a euphemism for "racist.") Secretlyironic ( talk) 13:31, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
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I am tagging this section as unbalanced and POV. I have taken a couple of steps toward fixing the problem by making the sentence about David Horowitz's events more neutral and adding DeSantis's defense to the accusation that his "monkey" remark was a racist dog whistle (I have no idea whether it was or it wasn't, but either way, it is disgraceful for the encyclopedia to include a paragraph about an accusation against someone without mentioning the person's response to the accusation), but a lot more is needed. The section almost entirely consists of negative information about the campaign; information other than attacks on DeSantis should be added to balance things out. SunCrow ( talk) 06:24, 22 September 2018 (UTC)
One editor removed text on DeSantis attending a racially charged conference (reported on by both WaPo and the Naples Daily Times). The first edit summary [4] inaccurately claimed that the text claimed that DeSantis "attended for racist reasons" (it did not). The second edit summary [5] inaccurately claimed that the content was WP:SYNTH, even though the text adheres entirely to the cited sources, and strangely argued that the text solely belongs on the Wikipedia article for the David Horowitz Freedom Center (even though the noteworthy event here is that a mainstream candidate seeking high office attended the conference - what's notable about the event is DeSantis per RS). Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 19:03, 20 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't like the idea of referring to a conference as racist or racially charged. I don't believe an event should be described as racist. It seems to me it would better to be more specific e.g. to describe the event as one where many racist remarks were made, or one where many racist acts were committed. Slipandslide ( talk) 08:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
This is nazi antisemitism and bigotry... David Horowitz is a Zionist Jew who harbors no ill will to anyone other than those who have called for the extermination of the Jewish people. He's on video calling out supporters of terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah who very publcily have stated they want all Jews to return to Israel so that it's easier to hunt down all Jews for extermination in one fell swoop. Their words, not mine. Labeling Horowitz as racist is absurd. This is just defamation at this point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.88.149.241 ( talk) 04:57, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
With Ron DeSantis' ad stating that his first job was for $6.00 and he had to pay for work boots with his first paycheck, I'd like to see information, in the "Early Life and Education" section, of what that job was, the start and end dates, who he worked for, and what he did for them. I think his use of that job in his ads makes this very relevant. Stevelitt ( talk) 00:40, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
The news networks still have the election called for Ron Desantis for now, please undo the edit of the person who removed him as being the next governor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.145.105.99 ( talk) 22:26, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
I never said newspapers i said the media networks and the A.P The A.P is the one to usually declare it, Until they say it is too close to call and cancel out the winner it should be stated that he is the winner until they say otherwise — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:8000:1AEF:DF00:4039:76EA:6A60:10D0 ( talk) 06:59, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
There's zero sourcing on this idea that Lopez-Cantera will become governor in January. He probably will, but to say so without a source is original research. (Presumably, such a source would also include the day he's expected to become governor, so we don't have to hedge everything). -- Golbez ( talk) 23:03, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Zzannoni1956 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
If you look at DeSantis's current photo, it seems that the photo is badly cropped and has too much blank space to it. I removed the photo to a more compact one a few times and the uploader of the photo Zzannoni1956 ( talk) said, and I quote, he was 'using that photo as at its resoltuon (sic) on Wikipedia it looks fine and it looks similar to Lt Gov Nuñez photo and has the state emblem and flag , something that is normally in a official portrait.' However, I checked the source of the photo and it was just cropped from a larger photo of the Governor meeting with someone and is not an official portrait photo. I suggest therefore that we replace the current photo with a few good other photos (the one I initially tried to replace it as). Any thoughts on this? -- Daffy123 ( talk) 08:08, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
This photo also look okay to me. Os ot the same one more cropped? I don't see a problem including more of his body. Regardless, an official portrait should be released before too long. FloridaArmy ( talk) 16:18, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
I emailed the governors office twice now about uploading an official photo and they’ve yet to take it or respond to me about it. Their website still hasn’t even updated the biography pages for the Gov. , Lt Gov and the First Lady all of it still says “coming soon” though it’s been now 50 days-- Zzannoni1956
@ Zzannoni1956: You've changed the infobox image way too many times now, so let's refrain from making additional changes. Also, please upload these images to Wikimedia Commons instead. Other than that, the photo of DeSantis at his cabinet meeting is an improvement in terms of graininess, but it's still not clear enough to see all of the details. -- Walk Like an Egyptian ( talk) 06:25, 2 March 2019 (UTC)
I think the current one is fine until he uploads an official portrait the CPAC one is clearer but when you reduce the pixel size anyways when you’re on the Wikipedia page they all look quite grainy. Hopefully by the next few weeks DeSantis will upload an actual photo -- Zzannoni1956 —Preceding undated comment added 14:25, 4 March 2019 (UTC)
Wumbolo takes issue with the article using the word "provocateurs" to describe speakers at David Horowitz Freedom Center conferences. The Washington Post article uses the word provocateurs. Our use of the word in this article does not constitute WP:PLAGIARISM as claimed in Wumbolo's edit summary. Naples Daily News also uses the word "provocateur". Milo Yiannopoulos is frequently referred to as a provocateur [9] and he describes himself as that. Same for Steve Bannon. [10] I'm opening this section so that consensus can be determined. Pinging ContentEditman who is also involved.- Mr X 🖋 12:19, 5 June 2019 (UTC)
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change "urged the legislature to support the use of smokeable medical cannabis,[3], and supported budget increases[4]." to "urged the legislature to support the use of smokeable medical cannabis[3], and supported budget increases[4]." 91.139.85.179 ( talk) 23:19, 16 April 2020 (UTC)
There is a blatant NPOV violation in the lead to this article. [11] I removed this NPOV violation, but it was recently restored by the editor Calidum who is stalking me (the editor has never edited this article before):
Thus, if the lead should cover the actions that DeSantis has taken as Governor, it needs to (i) cover it neutrally and (ii) actually reflect the body of the article. Calidum's rationale for restoring this blatantly inappropriate lead was "Revert large scale removal by a POV pusher", which is not substantive. Furthermore, the fact that the editor stalked me here raises serious questions about the abilities of this editor to contribute to the encyclopedia. The encyclopedia is not a playground for him to destroy just because he is angry at certain editors and wants revenge. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 16:35, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I am done with Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.53.110.139 ( talk) 05:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Content that reflected the body and the language of reliable sources (such as this [12]) has been removed and replaced with language about how DeSantis has been criticized for this or that. The NPOV version that reflects what RS say should be restored. Snooganssnoogans ( talk) 04:48, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Governor DeSantis is not the only governor whose approval ratings have declined since February. One poll had this result back in May, 7 months ago. Including this misleading claim in the header is a clear violation of WP:NPOV. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.62.152.16 ( talk) 03:07, 13 December 2020 (UTC)