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under factions in the original game it states there are way tio unloc all the factions. SHould it say how to do this?
most of this article reads more like a game play guide than an encyclopedia. does an encyclopedia really need to include strategy info, playable vs. non-playable factions, and so on? i'd suggested deleting a lot of the factions section as unneeded on wikipedia. instead, include external links to game guides and strategy hints. Slamorte 12:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
yes
Removed the following text:
This is not true. The information for RTW character trait gain is contained within the file export_descr_character_traits.txt, which I have worked with extensively for various modifications. The file does not distinguish between the three Roman factions. The only possible factor that could affect this, therefore, would be the unique temples the factions get. But the traits don't match up. The Julii have Jupiter (which gives law-bestowing traits), Ceres (which gives farming traits) and Bacchus (which gives all sorts of awful traits, like alcohol- and adultery-related ones). The Brutii have Mercury (which helps trade), Mars (which makes generals prone to anger, bloodlust, and being energetic). Finally, the Scipii have Saturn (which gives law-bestowing traits), Vulcan (which gives engineering and mining traits), and Neptune (which gives no traits).
Basically, the facts don't bear this assertion out. — Simetrical ( talk) 22:09, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I see on the text:
Even saying the word Spain before 1469, the year Catholic Monarchs married uniting Castille and Aragon kingdoms is an awful mistake. Such entity didn't exist. This a terrible error on the game and I think it should be mencioned in the criticism.
why isn't china in the expansion? it was the other superpower at the time, and could've wooped all the barbarians with its advanced tech + mass army
China's interactions with the west at this time period wasn't much more than some trade and diplomats, and sometimes the barbarian tribes they displaced would head west. Though RTW isn't focused on historical accuracy there's really not enough interaction to justify adding them. Plus, it would draw focus from the "Barbarian Invasion" aspect. Though if Creative Assembly removes or relaxes the hard-coded limits on the number of territories and the number of factions there could concievably be mods involving china. RentACop 06:50, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
There are, in particular Zhanguo: Total War. They just don't cover Europe as well. In any case, Wikipedia talk pages are for discussion of the page, not the topic. — Simetrical ( talk) 23:30, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
By then (the time period of the Barbarian Invasion expansion) China was no longer a superpower. China too was overran by barbarians - the so-called "Sixteen Kingdoms" and "North and South Dynasties" era.
Removed the following paragraph:
In its place, I added this:
Basically, the tone of the paragraph I removed had a very noticeably prescriptivist tone, which Wikipedia should not have (it's POV to say that there's a "correct" pronunciation for a word). It's also distinctly condescending toward the designers. My rewrite, on the other hand, notes the partial Anglicization of words, which is an interesting point the original paragraph leaves out, and its tone doesn't either state or imply that any pronunciation is "better" than another.
I don't care if you revert my revert while we work out a compromise, by the way, provided we are working out a compromise. I don't intend to get into a revert war if I don't have to. — Simetrical ( talk) 23:48, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
No offense taken whatsover. I'm a WikiNewbie.. :) -Ttan 3:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Well there are two types of Latin, classical(where v is pronounced like w and c is pronounced like k) and vulgar(where v is pronounced like v and c is pronounced like ch), and RTW uses vulgar Latin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.81.29.64 ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC).
"The gameplay is similar to that of its predecessors, Shogun: Total War and Medieval: Total War, although there are some additions like sieges and greatly improved city fights."
There were already sieges in Medieval (I never played Shogun, so I don't know about that one), although you besieged forts/castles and not towns/cities as in Rome. On the other hand the city fights are not just improved but are new; there were none of those in Medieval. Everyking 06:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Surely you of all people don't have to be told to be bold? I never played MTW or STW myself, so I wouldn't know. — Simetrical ( talk) 04:02, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I diddled with it. If anyone thinks it could be worded better or was in fact not worth adding at all feel free to diddle with it yo-self. RentACop 22:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Formerly we had a huge list of mod forums in the external links. A Link to the Past dropped those, saying they were insignificant, but leaving the mod websites. I agree that there were too many forums listed before, but honestly, the TWC forum for SPQR is far more significant than the Troy Total War site. No offense to TTW, but they haven't released a version yet and just aren't terribly noteworthy.
In an effort to keep the number of links to a reasonable level, how about only including 1) the official sites and/or forums of mods that have 2) released a public version? That would keep it down to maybe five or ten. — Simetrical ( talk) 05:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
As an avid player of Rome: Total War, I don't think it would be wise to mention strategy in this particular article, as the article tends to do. For example, for Carthage the article reads that the most agreed strategy is to abandon sicily and the most likely result of losing Spain to defend carthage herself. However, many players would disagree immensely with this point. I for example, have almost never given up Sicily, and far from it, the main and wisest strategy I (and many others I know) use is to immediately declare war on the Brutii immediately and take Messana. You must do so on your very first turn, with the faction leader Hanno--Hanno is old (60 or so) and he will always die in his first two turns or so unless you decalre war (for some reason the prospect of war lets the old man live a few turns longer). After that, I build up my army (taking almost all my armies aside from Town Militia, in ever single city) make peace with the Greeks at Syracuse, and attack for the city of Rome itself as soon as possible. This takes the Romans by surprise, but may cost you some. However, in a few turns (and buying mercenaries and armies from your looting of Roman cities), you end up destroying all the roman factions in less than 20 turns or so( I once managed 12 at great cost, and the eventual loss of many other cities to damn Rebels, Numidians and Gauls).
The purpose of that whole scenario I gave is that I ALWAYS do this. I have actually almost never failed ("almost" pointing to thimes when I don't stop playing for 6 hours straight) even in the highest settings (although I almost always will lose spain and if the Greeks attack I lose Sicily at the higer settings--either of which I'll lose anyways). But this strategy, probably shouldn't be mentioned in the article, because everyone has their own strategies. As such, I don't think it's in the spirit of Wikipedia to be giving certain opinions of strategy, especially since they might be harmful to the player reading it, such as the ones already included in the article. Or is it better to create a "strategy category" for the article, and thus we can mention the main and most agreed upon strategies in the game in that category (and others can expand it). I think that idea might be best: to create a "most used strategies" category.
I just want to hear everyone elses opinion on that, before trying to redo an entire article and create an entire category: especially the opinion of some of the wikipedia "veterans". ^_^--Persianlor
I see that the descriptions for the Gauls, Britons, Germans, Dacians, and the Scythians are gone. Anyone willing to redo them? Some vandal must have deleted them. - XX55XX
Also, by the way, you can sign your name and the date automatically with four tildes: ~~~~. — Simetrical ( talk) 02:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
exactly how accurat was barbarian invasion? We should mention it in the page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.226.183.47 ( talk • contribs) 04:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC).
That section does indeed sound legit, but is the author of that part willing to offer some evidence? I don't think it should be there, but if the author wants it there, he or she should back it up with some evidence that Iranian players do scrutinize it. Plus, this game was never meant to be realistic anyways, so unless if the "critism" is happening amongst with the majority of Iranian gaming circles, one must back that up with evidence. If the author does not offer any evidence, I will delete it, as although it sounds legit, it doesn't sound noteworthy. - XX55XX 21:58, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned it up, it was in very poor English so I assume the chap was Iranian himself. Maybe it was a personal gripe.
We have very little idea what the music of the period was like, as such it would stand to reason that the creators of the game had to come up with something that would reflect the expectations of their audience.-- 69.107.102.38 04:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The Cultural criticism part of this article is purely POV and has no proper citations. In light of the other comments in this discussion it simply does not belong here. -- 69.107.121.110 21:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion the Engine limitations would fit well under the Criticism section seeing as the engine-section is about how players were disappointed with the engine compared to what the developers' has promised. In my opinion we should merge them after we've seen if the claims currently under criticism are accurate.-- DMichel 20:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I've seen plenty of evidence of that, if you wish, you can re-write that - XX55XX 20:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I just merged both sections. But what about the (possible NPOV-violated) section about the stereotypical depiction of the Arabic factions?-- DMichel 13:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Modification is now a seperate section of its own, and I've retitled the NPOV content as "Cultural Stereotypes". - XX55XX 20:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you really think that these links fit in an encyclopedia? I'm quite sure there are alot more clans than those listed. In my opinion remove the whole section. -- DMichel 13:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Some of the clan websites there that are listed are pretty big, but the "Arcani" clan seems rather insignificant. Although RTW multiplayer has pretty much degraded over the months and many clans have switched over to Medieval. - XX55XX 20:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Rome Total War members on multiplayer have gone way up recently. As far as the Arcani clan goes, I know them, they are not an insignificant clan at all, they have about 50 members, which is pretty good for online play. as far as the "oldest total war" clan goes, I have never seen them on, and I am in GS lobbies 24/7. - NBroadsword 1:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
There is a lot of RTW activity online. Im in Arcani, we are active and are currently destroying the sith clan mercilessly as well as participating in the cwb tournament for the first time in clan history. Yes we have about 50 guys, no we are not insignificant, as i previously stated we are destroying one of the oldest and largest rival clans in the TW community. And yes alot of the old clans and the ones listed on the total war site are totally dead... Go to Total-Arcani.tk find out what we are about. - }|{Arcani}|{_Bar_Kochba|AS cheers.
I am also in Arcani, and we happen to be one of, if not the biggest clans on Rome Total War. (both in terms of skill and members). As Bar said we currently have over 50 members and the only other clan that has approximately the same amount as us would be Clan of Ruin (COR). I would say we are the 3rd oldest clan on Rome Total War behid COR and soon to be dead Sith clan. I have never in my 18 months of playing Rome Total War seen Clan Kenchikuka and doubt I ever will, I visited the link to their website which hasn't been used in 2 years. ~Kronos 15:39, 25 May 2006
You guys need to learn something a little more about the community and then come back and discuss this (of course, I'm not talking to the guys from Arcani here). You're talking like biggest clans are the best. That is complete rubbish. But back onto actual topic, yes, they should be listed. It shows a side of the multiplayer community, hell your listing mod websites. All I'm saying is, its not hurting anyone them being there, RTW MP can use all the help it can get and if a few links on this page helps then why not...Oh and DarthBinky, ever been in the RTW lobby?
This would count as 'original research' but I've had 12,000 soldiers in a RTW battle, and i didn't have all player slots filled or all the unit slots used. I believe the largest units are Peasants or Warbands, so if all the slots were used and filled with warbands (Or whichever the highest is) the total would be much higher than 10,000, maybe 20,000! Notably, even my high end system couldn't run 12,000 men, but the engine does support this. Thoughts? —This unsigned comment was added by 58.166.31.80 ( talk • contribs) 05:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC).
Thanks, I'll clarify this. 'The main innovation is a brand new high-quality 3D graphics engine that allows reproduction of large scale battles realistically: Rome Total War's engine is capable of supporting 38,880 warriors in a single battle, however, the strain of a battle that large is signifigantly more than the average or even high-end user's computer is capable of handling smoothly. In most one-on-one single player campain battles, the maximum units is usually around 4,000.'
Feel free to improve this, as I think it's open to a lot of improvement, and the figure of 4,000 is just a ballpark of the average 2,000 person armies I personally see most of in RTW's campain. If anyone has better figures, or more detail, that's great. I just wanted this corrected. {Vainglory}
Okay, I know I said revision was welcome, but someone just replaced figures with the vague statement 'ability to render thousands of men at once on a single battlefield' - okay, so can just about every game since '95. I'm readding the figures, but not reverting. Please discuss before making changes.
just a small typo i guess but the page says that 1.2 is the "latest" while 1.5/1,6 is :p
Apparently there's a new mini-expansion that's due out sometime this year, as reported in a gaming magazine. Anyone have any further details? Is it enough to add to the page?
Yeah, there will be one, although release dates are not know yet. It's not really that big, it's just another campaign and perhaps a host of historical battles. I don't see any sources for it other than a magazine. - XX55XX 19:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Well if you're asking for the release date, GameSpot said its going to be sometime in June 2006. The historical battles will most likely be the battles of Chaeronea, Granicus River, Issus, Siege of Tyre, Gaugamela and Hydaspes River. As for the campaign, well all I can say its probably going to be like the Alexander campaign in Rise of Nations: Thrones and Patriots. And you don't need to worry about the question Is it enough to add to the page? for someone already added that. InGenX 02:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
"The player can take roles equivalent to those of generals such as Hannibal Barca, the brilliant Carthaginian general during the Second Punic War, the Gallic warlord Vercingetorix, and Julius Caesar."
It's not really much of a problem, but I really do think that if you're going to elaborate on why Hannibal was famous, you should do the same with Vercingetorix and most noticably Caesar. Of course, those two should be common knowledge by now, but then again so should Hannibal. I suggest removing "the brilliant Carthaginian general during the Second Punic War".
Next up: "The three-faction Roman system in the game is entirely historical."
Fixed it so that it's ahistorical instead.
I agree with the person (Slamorte) who earlier stated that this article is more like a game guide than an encyclopedia entry; also, when editing, a warning comes up about the article's large size. I have decided to be bold and have done major editing to the Factions section in an attempt to correct these. My changes include:
At this point, I've been working on it for several hours and I am still not happy with some of th wording, so I welcome help with it. :) -- DarthBinky 02:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I like the new edit as well. Makes the article a little shorter and easier to edit. - XX55XX 21:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Apparently the current links for the official sites is not funtional. This is because on May 10, 2006 Total War.com changed its appearance. Because of this, I suggest that someone should change the current links for RTW and its expansion to the new Total War site. However in the new Total War site, info on BI, such as its description, is no longer there. InGenX 13:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
i am qwite anoyed at the fact that well know clans such as the arcani and jedi order are not mentioned in the RTW page, and every time they are added in a clan/multiplayer section they are deleted by vandals such as darth blinky, who is probaly a member of a clan called the sith who are jelous of the arcani and other clans. please couldd DARTH BLINKY STOP ABUSEING HIS POWER OF ADMIN AND STOP VANDALISING WIKAPEDIA AND TREATING IT LIKE HIS OWN PERSONAL SITE. if any one eles feels the same way please say so.
as a human beings we do not deserve to be shouted down by a bully we live ina democracy and even if only 2 people object we have as much right to say our veiws as you i will put a list of Majour clans in the multiplayer section that will not be bisaed but simply state the facts that the 4 largets clans are: ][Destroyers][ ][Sith][ ][Arcani][ ][JediOrder][ i do not expect this to be deleted as it is a compromise and not in violation of wikipedia rules. i again stress that I have not taken part in vandalism and that it is some one else.
thank you for your comment but if you look in the section of terms wiki pedia clearly states that decisions such as wiping a page should be discussed with people that have put time an effort in to create them and i do not like it when my work is simply deleted which is against wiki pedias rules which clearly state a page should never be simply deleted because you dont agree with it.
by biggest i do not simply mean they are best by refering to biggest i am refering to the words primary meaning wich in this case is that i mean those clans have the most members i know this though the fact you can go on their websites which have the amount of members posted and stating a fact is not biased it has been proven that they are the biggest so it is not fiction or an opinion it is fact.
yet again you have used the word second mening in primary i ment 1st the first meaning og big or lots, which was the context of the word and one of my clan mates must be mestaken because any one can acess the web site so why not take a look [1] as as for the clan that claimed it had 50 members why don't they add them selves too the list and change the word four to five biggest because i think that is the idea of being able to edit the text so as more information comes to lite more can be added.
pri·mar·y adj.
1. First or highest in rank, quality, or importance; principal. 2. Being or standing first in a list, series, or sequence. 3. Occurring first in time or sequence; earliest. 4. Being or existing as the first or earliest of a kind; primitive.
please do not change the subject and for your information i am english so we have different dictionarys. also i thought you did not want to get into clan polotics have you read the reason on the section on the rebellion. if you want i can also go into a discussion with you on that. Also you clearly do not play RTW other wise you would value the clan system more highly so why do you feel the RTW page is yours. also in reply to an earlier comment many online games have clans including battle field 2 which encourages the creation of clans which i will point out the jedi order also has a clan on. yet again an act of vandalism deleting my writing.
i would like to point out they bring out different versions for both america and briton and that recently they have brought out a new one also this includes many english slang words that amricaians do not use and have different meanings this is one of the reasons they have different ones because the americain word 'fany' is qwite rude here rather than the americaian meaning ans the word 'chav' probaly has no meaning where you are.
i must yet again point out that you are differing from from the point and the way you have used the word british could be interprated as near racest which if im not mistaken is illegal in this country and in yours, so please refrain from it because there are over 6 million people that could be affended, also yet again i state i will not be bullied into doing what you say because this is not your site it is wiki pedias and also apart from you and 1 other person all the e-mails and replys i have had on the subject have supported me so i propose to you let me have one small section on clans and i will refrain from bothering you again and wont make any more edits to the RTW page.
excuse me but i do not class raceism as a personal attack on you. you a moment ago discriminated against an entire nation of over 6 million people so please do not try to place your self on a pedistall i will not be bullied into what some one else wants me to do. in reply we have clans on over 6 games please excuse the site it needs to be up dated. and as i have al ready mention the game battle field 2 encourages clans and they are mentioned on leader boards of battle field 2 clans. also why should i go a get a dictionairy and qwote it to you, you are not my master and i am most certainly not your servant i am not breaking any wikipedia rules so i will continue to add the clan section and i will contiue to do so until you acept others opinions and also you views on the games faults are compleatly biased by you because i dont belive many of the things on there so acording to your rules you should remove them. i have spent to much time on this so good bye.
hi i think the expansions of RTW such as BI and alexander should have their own pages as the RTW page is getting crowded and it would make more sense to have their own pages as tecneckly they are different games.-- Hunter91 16:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
yes but if you see the page is getting very big and in alexander the new factions have not even been properly explained yet.-- Hunter91 19:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I have a few snippets I must question:
Actually, looking at the article again it hasn't got a single reference!!! This needs to be fixed else anything such as those comments made above are not acceptable according to wikipedia policy.
Finally, the list of links is growing. Remember, Wikipedia is not a random collection of links. Do we really need them all here?- Localzuk (talk) 17:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree completely. When I did my big edit back in May, I believe I mainly stayed away from the whole criticisms and mod sections, as they need serious work (and I had already done a lot by that point)- it was also me who added a bunch of 'citation needed' tags to the multiplayer criticism section. I'd work on it now, but I'm currently in the middle of some things for the Warhammer 40,000 wikiproject.
I also mentioned earlier in the clan fiasco that I thought that the link list was getting a bit long and could use some trimming- I think the mod sites might have to go, especially considering most are linked (and many are hosted) at websites like totalwar.org. Cheers -- DarthBinky 04:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
While I was looking around my Rome: Total War folder and I saw that there what appeared to be features that was supposed to be in the game but for some reason were removed. Here are some of them:
There are probably a lot more lost features in the game folder. But I was wondering how can you enable these lost features, if they can still be enabled that is? InGenX 10:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have just been through the list of external links with a fine tooth comb and removed a selection. All the removals are under the guidelines. I have also removed the Mod External Links list for the following reasons:
Remember, Wikipedia isn't a random collection of links, lists or information.- Localzuk (talk) 12:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
This article is longer than the one for our Solar System, and nearly as long as the one for Hitler. This is not a depository for every bit of information ever known about the game, nor an overview of Roman politics, nor a strategy page. Also this talk page is not a page for discussing things such as game mechanics or features that aren't relevant to the talk page, or an encyclopedia itself. I'm going to strip this article down to its necessities later on. Please don't bloat it again. Whitecap 17:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I have removed all of the fansites as we are going to have problems with users adding more and more of them. According to guidelines we should only add one fansite listing and only if it adds anything. I think that on the balance of things, adding a link to the directory only should do just fine. - Localzuk (talk) 15:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be much about the unique features of RTW in gameplay, i.e. realistic battles, tactics like flanking. It seems more like a list to me and doesn't hold much encyclopedic info. Anyone wanna add a section about it? Thanks. Aran| heru| nar 14:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Seems that someone rewrote the multiplayer article. It needs to be edited. Sounds too opinionated. I'm too lazy at the moment to edit it, might do so later. - XX55XX 22:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
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under factions in the original game it states there are way tio unloc all the factions. SHould it say how to do this?
most of this article reads more like a game play guide than an encyclopedia. does an encyclopedia really need to include strategy info, playable vs. non-playable factions, and so on? i'd suggested deleting a lot of the factions section as unneeded on wikipedia. instead, include external links to game guides and strategy hints. Slamorte 12:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
yes
Removed the following text:
This is not true. The information for RTW character trait gain is contained within the file export_descr_character_traits.txt, which I have worked with extensively for various modifications. The file does not distinguish between the three Roman factions. The only possible factor that could affect this, therefore, would be the unique temples the factions get. But the traits don't match up. The Julii have Jupiter (which gives law-bestowing traits), Ceres (which gives farming traits) and Bacchus (which gives all sorts of awful traits, like alcohol- and adultery-related ones). The Brutii have Mercury (which helps trade), Mars (which makes generals prone to anger, bloodlust, and being energetic). Finally, the Scipii have Saturn (which gives law-bestowing traits), Vulcan (which gives engineering and mining traits), and Neptune (which gives no traits).
Basically, the facts don't bear this assertion out. — Simetrical ( talk) 22:09, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I see on the text:
Even saying the word Spain before 1469, the year Catholic Monarchs married uniting Castille and Aragon kingdoms is an awful mistake. Such entity didn't exist. This a terrible error on the game and I think it should be mencioned in the criticism.
why isn't china in the expansion? it was the other superpower at the time, and could've wooped all the barbarians with its advanced tech + mass army
China's interactions with the west at this time period wasn't much more than some trade and diplomats, and sometimes the barbarian tribes they displaced would head west. Though RTW isn't focused on historical accuracy there's really not enough interaction to justify adding them. Plus, it would draw focus from the "Barbarian Invasion" aspect. Though if Creative Assembly removes or relaxes the hard-coded limits on the number of territories and the number of factions there could concievably be mods involving china. RentACop 06:50, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
There are, in particular Zhanguo: Total War. They just don't cover Europe as well. In any case, Wikipedia talk pages are for discussion of the page, not the topic. — Simetrical ( talk) 23:30, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
By then (the time period of the Barbarian Invasion expansion) China was no longer a superpower. China too was overran by barbarians - the so-called "Sixteen Kingdoms" and "North and South Dynasties" era.
Removed the following paragraph:
In its place, I added this:
Basically, the tone of the paragraph I removed had a very noticeably prescriptivist tone, which Wikipedia should not have (it's POV to say that there's a "correct" pronunciation for a word). It's also distinctly condescending toward the designers. My rewrite, on the other hand, notes the partial Anglicization of words, which is an interesting point the original paragraph leaves out, and its tone doesn't either state or imply that any pronunciation is "better" than another.
I don't care if you revert my revert while we work out a compromise, by the way, provided we are working out a compromise. I don't intend to get into a revert war if I don't have to. — Simetrical ( talk) 23:48, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
No offense taken whatsover. I'm a WikiNewbie.. :) -Ttan 3:15, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Well there are two types of Latin, classical(where v is pronounced like w and c is pronounced like k) and vulgar(where v is pronounced like v and c is pronounced like ch), and RTW uses vulgar Latin —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.81.29.64 ( talk • contribs) 05:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC).
"The gameplay is similar to that of its predecessors, Shogun: Total War and Medieval: Total War, although there are some additions like sieges and greatly improved city fights."
There were already sieges in Medieval (I never played Shogun, so I don't know about that one), although you besieged forts/castles and not towns/cities as in Rome. On the other hand the city fights are not just improved but are new; there were none of those in Medieval. Everyking 06:23, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
Surely you of all people don't have to be told to be bold? I never played MTW or STW myself, so I wouldn't know. — Simetrical ( talk) 04:02, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
I diddled with it. If anyone thinks it could be worded better or was in fact not worth adding at all feel free to diddle with it yo-self. RentACop 22:52, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
Formerly we had a huge list of mod forums in the external links. A Link to the Past dropped those, saying they were insignificant, but leaving the mod websites. I agree that there were too many forums listed before, but honestly, the TWC forum for SPQR is far more significant than the Troy Total War site. No offense to TTW, but they haven't released a version yet and just aren't terribly noteworthy.
In an effort to keep the number of links to a reasonable level, how about only including 1) the official sites and/or forums of mods that have 2) released a public version? That would keep it down to maybe five or ten. — Simetrical ( talk) 05:18, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
As an avid player of Rome: Total War, I don't think it would be wise to mention strategy in this particular article, as the article tends to do. For example, for Carthage the article reads that the most agreed strategy is to abandon sicily and the most likely result of losing Spain to defend carthage herself. However, many players would disagree immensely with this point. I for example, have almost never given up Sicily, and far from it, the main and wisest strategy I (and many others I know) use is to immediately declare war on the Brutii immediately and take Messana. You must do so on your very first turn, with the faction leader Hanno--Hanno is old (60 or so) and he will always die in his first two turns or so unless you decalre war (for some reason the prospect of war lets the old man live a few turns longer). After that, I build up my army (taking almost all my armies aside from Town Militia, in ever single city) make peace with the Greeks at Syracuse, and attack for the city of Rome itself as soon as possible. This takes the Romans by surprise, but may cost you some. However, in a few turns (and buying mercenaries and armies from your looting of Roman cities), you end up destroying all the roman factions in less than 20 turns or so( I once managed 12 at great cost, and the eventual loss of many other cities to damn Rebels, Numidians and Gauls).
The purpose of that whole scenario I gave is that I ALWAYS do this. I have actually almost never failed ("almost" pointing to thimes when I don't stop playing for 6 hours straight) even in the highest settings (although I almost always will lose spain and if the Greeks attack I lose Sicily at the higer settings--either of which I'll lose anyways). But this strategy, probably shouldn't be mentioned in the article, because everyone has their own strategies. As such, I don't think it's in the spirit of Wikipedia to be giving certain opinions of strategy, especially since they might be harmful to the player reading it, such as the ones already included in the article. Or is it better to create a "strategy category" for the article, and thus we can mention the main and most agreed upon strategies in the game in that category (and others can expand it). I think that idea might be best: to create a "most used strategies" category.
I just want to hear everyone elses opinion on that, before trying to redo an entire article and create an entire category: especially the opinion of some of the wikipedia "veterans". ^_^--Persianlor
I see that the descriptions for the Gauls, Britons, Germans, Dacians, and the Scythians are gone. Anyone willing to redo them? Some vandal must have deleted them. - XX55XX
Also, by the way, you can sign your name and the date automatically with four tildes: ~~~~. — Simetrical ( talk) 02:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
exactly how accurat was barbarian invasion? We should mention it in the page —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.226.183.47 ( talk • contribs) 04:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC).
That section does indeed sound legit, but is the author of that part willing to offer some evidence? I don't think it should be there, but if the author wants it there, he or she should back it up with some evidence that Iranian players do scrutinize it. Plus, this game was never meant to be realistic anyways, so unless if the "critism" is happening amongst with the majority of Iranian gaming circles, one must back that up with evidence. If the author does not offer any evidence, I will delete it, as although it sounds legit, it doesn't sound noteworthy. - XX55XX 21:58, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
I cleaned it up, it was in very poor English so I assume the chap was Iranian himself. Maybe it was a personal gripe.
We have very little idea what the music of the period was like, as such it would stand to reason that the creators of the game had to come up with something that would reflect the expectations of their audience.-- 69.107.102.38 04:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The Cultural criticism part of this article is purely POV and has no proper citations. In light of the other comments in this discussion it simply does not belong here. -- 69.107.121.110 21:45, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion the Engine limitations would fit well under the Criticism section seeing as the engine-section is about how players were disappointed with the engine compared to what the developers' has promised. In my opinion we should merge them after we've seen if the claims currently under criticism are accurate.-- DMichel 20:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree. I've seen plenty of evidence of that, if you wish, you can re-write that - XX55XX 20:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I just merged both sections. But what about the (possible NPOV-violated) section about the stereotypical depiction of the Arabic factions?-- DMichel 13:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Modification is now a seperate section of its own, and I've retitled the NPOV content as "Cultural Stereotypes". - XX55XX 20:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you really think that these links fit in an encyclopedia? I'm quite sure there are alot more clans than those listed. In my opinion remove the whole section. -- DMichel 13:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. Some of the clan websites there that are listed are pretty big, but the "Arcani" clan seems rather insignificant. Although RTW multiplayer has pretty much degraded over the months and many clans have switched over to Medieval. - XX55XX 20:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Rome Total War members on multiplayer have gone way up recently. As far as the Arcani clan goes, I know them, they are not an insignificant clan at all, they have about 50 members, which is pretty good for online play. as far as the "oldest total war" clan goes, I have never seen them on, and I am in GS lobbies 24/7. - NBroadsword 1:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
There is a lot of RTW activity online. Im in Arcani, we are active and are currently destroying the sith clan mercilessly as well as participating in the cwb tournament for the first time in clan history. Yes we have about 50 guys, no we are not insignificant, as i previously stated we are destroying one of the oldest and largest rival clans in the TW community. And yes alot of the old clans and the ones listed on the total war site are totally dead... Go to Total-Arcani.tk find out what we are about. - }|{Arcani}|{_Bar_Kochba|AS cheers.
I am also in Arcani, and we happen to be one of, if not the biggest clans on Rome Total War. (both in terms of skill and members). As Bar said we currently have over 50 members and the only other clan that has approximately the same amount as us would be Clan of Ruin (COR). I would say we are the 3rd oldest clan on Rome Total War behid COR and soon to be dead Sith clan. I have never in my 18 months of playing Rome Total War seen Clan Kenchikuka and doubt I ever will, I visited the link to their website which hasn't been used in 2 years. ~Kronos 15:39, 25 May 2006
You guys need to learn something a little more about the community and then come back and discuss this (of course, I'm not talking to the guys from Arcani here). You're talking like biggest clans are the best. That is complete rubbish. But back onto actual topic, yes, they should be listed. It shows a side of the multiplayer community, hell your listing mod websites. All I'm saying is, its not hurting anyone them being there, RTW MP can use all the help it can get and if a few links on this page helps then why not...Oh and DarthBinky, ever been in the RTW lobby?
This would count as 'original research' but I've had 12,000 soldiers in a RTW battle, and i didn't have all player slots filled or all the unit slots used. I believe the largest units are Peasants or Warbands, so if all the slots were used and filled with warbands (Or whichever the highest is) the total would be much higher than 10,000, maybe 20,000! Notably, even my high end system couldn't run 12,000 men, but the engine does support this. Thoughts? —This unsigned comment was added by 58.166.31.80 ( talk • contribs) 05:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC).
Thanks, I'll clarify this. 'The main innovation is a brand new high-quality 3D graphics engine that allows reproduction of large scale battles realistically: Rome Total War's engine is capable of supporting 38,880 warriors in a single battle, however, the strain of a battle that large is signifigantly more than the average or even high-end user's computer is capable of handling smoothly. In most one-on-one single player campain battles, the maximum units is usually around 4,000.'
Feel free to improve this, as I think it's open to a lot of improvement, and the figure of 4,000 is just a ballpark of the average 2,000 person armies I personally see most of in RTW's campain. If anyone has better figures, or more detail, that's great. I just wanted this corrected. {Vainglory}
Okay, I know I said revision was welcome, but someone just replaced figures with the vague statement 'ability to render thousands of men at once on a single battlefield' - okay, so can just about every game since '95. I'm readding the figures, but not reverting. Please discuss before making changes.
just a small typo i guess but the page says that 1.2 is the "latest" while 1.5/1,6 is :p
Apparently there's a new mini-expansion that's due out sometime this year, as reported in a gaming magazine. Anyone have any further details? Is it enough to add to the page?
Yeah, there will be one, although release dates are not know yet. It's not really that big, it's just another campaign and perhaps a host of historical battles. I don't see any sources for it other than a magazine. - XX55XX 19:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Well if you're asking for the release date, GameSpot said its going to be sometime in June 2006. The historical battles will most likely be the battles of Chaeronea, Granicus River, Issus, Siege of Tyre, Gaugamela and Hydaspes River. As for the campaign, well all I can say its probably going to be like the Alexander campaign in Rise of Nations: Thrones and Patriots. And you don't need to worry about the question Is it enough to add to the page? for someone already added that. InGenX 02:17, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
"The player can take roles equivalent to those of generals such as Hannibal Barca, the brilliant Carthaginian general during the Second Punic War, the Gallic warlord Vercingetorix, and Julius Caesar."
It's not really much of a problem, but I really do think that if you're going to elaborate on why Hannibal was famous, you should do the same with Vercingetorix and most noticably Caesar. Of course, those two should be common knowledge by now, but then again so should Hannibal. I suggest removing "the brilliant Carthaginian general during the Second Punic War".
Next up: "The three-faction Roman system in the game is entirely historical."
Fixed it so that it's ahistorical instead.
I agree with the person (Slamorte) who earlier stated that this article is more like a game guide than an encyclopedia entry; also, when editing, a warning comes up about the article's large size. I have decided to be bold and have done major editing to the Factions section in an attempt to correct these. My changes include:
At this point, I've been working on it for several hours and I am still not happy with some of th wording, so I welcome help with it. :) -- DarthBinky 02:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I like the new edit as well. Makes the article a little shorter and easier to edit. - XX55XX 21:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Apparently the current links for the official sites is not funtional. This is because on May 10, 2006 Total War.com changed its appearance. Because of this, I suggest that someone should change the current links for RTW and its expansion to the new Total War site. However in the new Total War site, info on BI, such as its description, is no longer there. InGenX 13:22, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
i am qwite anoyed at the fact that well know clans such as the arcani and jedi order are not mentioned in the RTW page, and every time they are added in a clan/multiplayer section they are deleted by vandals such as darth blinky, who is probaly a member of a clan called the sith who are jelous of the arcani and other clans. please couldd DARTH BLINKY STOP ABUSEING HIS POWER OF ADMIN AND STOP VANDALISING WIKAPEDIA AND TREATING IT LIKE HIS OWN PERSONAL SITE. if any one eles feels the same way please say so.
as a human beings we do not deserve to be shouted down by a bully we live ina democracy and even if only 2 people object we have as much right to say our veiws as you i will put a list of Majour clans in the multiplayer section that will not be bisaed but simply state the facts that the 4 largets clans are: ][Destroyers][ ][Sith][ ][Arcani][ ][JediOrder][ i do not expect this to be deleted as it is a compromise and not in violation of wikipedia rules. i again stress that I have not taken part in vandalism and that it is some one else.
thank you for your comment but if you look in the section of terms wiki pedia clearly states that decisions such as wiping a page should be discussed with people that have put time an effort in to create them and i do not like it when my work is simply deleted which is against wiki pedias rules which clearly state a page should never be simply deleted because you dont agree with it.
by biggest i do not simply mean they are best by refering to biggest i am refering to the words primary meaning wich in this case is that i mean those clans have the most members i know this though the fact you can go on their websites which have the amount of members posted and stating a fact is not biased it has been proven that they are the biggest so it is not fiction or an opinion it is fact.
yet again you have used the word second mening in primary i ment 1st the first meaning og big or lots, which was the context of the word and one of my clan mates must be mestaken because any one can acess the web site so why not take a look [1] as as for the clan that claimed it had 50 members why don't they add them selves too the list and change the word four to five biggest because i think that is the idea of being able to edit the text so as more information comes to lite more can be added.
pri·mar·y adj.
1. First or highest in rank, quality, or importance; principal. 2. Being or standing first in a list, series, or sequence. 3. Occurring first in time or sequence; earliest. 4. Being or existing as the first or earliest of a kind; primitive.
please do not change the subject and for your information i am english so we have different dictionarys. also i thought you did not want to get into clan polotics have you read the reason on the section on the rebellion. if you want i can also go into a discussion with you on that. Also you clearly do not play RTW other wise you would value the clan system more highly so why do you feel the RTW page is yours. also in reply to an earlier comment many online games have clans including battle field 2 which encourages the creation of clans which i will point out the jedi order also has a clan on. yet again an act of vandalism deleting my writing.
i would like to point out they bring out different versions for both america and briton and that recently they have brought out a new one also this includes many english slang words that amricaians do not use and have different meanings this is one of the reasons they have different ones because the americain word 'fany' is qwite rude here rather than the americaian meaning ans the word 'chav' probaly has no meaning where you are.
i must yet again point out that you are differing from from the point and the way you have used the word british could be interprated as near racest which if im not mistaken is illegal in this country and in yours, so please refrain from it because there are over 6 million people that could be affended, also yet again i state i will not be bullied into doing what you say because this is not your site it is wiki pedias and also apart from you and 1 other person all the e-mails and replys i have had on the subject have supported me so i propose to you let me have one small section on clans and i will refrain from bothering you again and wont make any more edits to the RTW page.
excuse me but i do not class raceism as a personal attack on you. you a moment ago discriminated against an entire nation of over 6 million people so please do not try to place your self on a pedistall i will not be bullied into what some one else wants me to do. in reply we have clans on over 6 games please excuse the site it needs to be up dated. and as i have al ready mention the game battle field 2 encourages clans and they are mentioned on leader boards of battle field 2 clans. also why should i go a get a dictionairy and qwote it to you, you are not my master and i am most certainly not your servant i am not breaking any wikipedia rules so i will continue to add the clan section and i will contiue to do so until you acept others opinions and also you views on the games faults are compleatly biased by you because i dont belive many of the things on there so acording to your rules you should remove them. i have spent to much time on this so good bye.
hi i think the expansions of RTW such as BI and alexander should have their own pages as the RTW page is getting crowded and it would make more sense to have their own pages as tecneckly they are different games.-- Hunter91 16:59, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
yes but if you see the page is getting very big and in alexander the new factions have not even been properly explained yet.-- Hunter91 19:34, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I have a few snippets I must question:
Actually, looking at the article again it hasn't got a single reference!!! This needs to be fixed else anything such as those comments made above are not acceptable according to wikipedia policy.
Finally, the list of links is growing. Remember, Wikipedia is not a random collection of links. Do we really need them all here?- Localzuk (talk) 17:07, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
I agree completely. When I did my big edit back in May, I believe I mainly stayed away from the whole criticisms and mod sections, as they need serious work (and I had already done a lot by that point)- it was also me who added a bunch of 'citation needed' tags to the multiplayer criticism section. I'd work on it now, but I'm currently in the middle of some things for the Warhammer 40,000 wikiproject.
I also mentioned earlier in the clan fiasco that I thought that the link list was getting a bit long and could use some trimming- I think the mod sites might have to go, especially considering most are linked (and many are hosted) at websites like totalwar.org. Cheers -- DarthBinky 04:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
While I was looking around my Rome: Total War folder and I saw that there what appeared to be features that was supposed to be in the game but for some reason were removed. Here are some of them:
There are probably a lot more lost features in the game folder. But I was wondering how can you enable these lost features, if they can still be enabled that is? InGenX 10:41, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
Hi, I have just been through the list of external links with a fine tooth comb and removed a selection. All the removals are under the guidelines. I have also removed the Mod External Links list for the following reasons:
Remember, Wikipedia isn't a random collection of links, lists or information.- Localzuk (talk) 12:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
This article is longer than the one for our Solar System, and nearly as long as the one for Hitler. This is not a depository for every bit of information ever known about the game, nor an overview of Roman politics, nor a strategy page. Also this talk page is not a page for discussing things such as game mechanics or features that aren't relevant to the talk page, or an encyclopedia itself. I'm going to strip this article down to its necessities later on. Please don't bloat it again. Whitecap 17:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
I have removed all of the fansites as we are going to have problems with users adding more and more of them. According to guidelines we should only add one fansite listing and only if it adds anything. I think that on the balance of things, adding a link to the directory only should do just fine. - Localzuk (talk) 15:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
There doesn't seem to be much about the unique features of RTW in gameplay, i.e. realistic battles, tactics like flanking. It seems more like a list to me and doesn't hold much encyclopedic info. Anyone wanna add a section about it? Thanks. Aran| heru| nar 14:46, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
Seems that someone rewrote the multiplayer article. It needs to be edited. Sounds too opinionated. I'm too lazy at the moment to edit it, might do so later. - XX55XX 22:29, 25 August 2006 (UTC)