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I've removed the template "20th century persecutions of the Catholic Church" as it doesn't mntion any Irish Catholic persecutees. 86.42.206.248 ( talk) 12:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
"Alongside the church itself, many Irish folk traditions persisted for centuries as a part of the church's culture. Holy relics are thought to possess curative or magical powers, colourful "patterns" (processions) in honour of local saints persisted into the 1800s, and in 1985 thousands gathered to pray during the Moving statues phenomenon. Mariolatry is a central element, focused on the shrine at Knock, where the Virgin Mary appeared in 1879. Recent feasts and cults such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary (1854) and the Sacred Heart of Jesus (1856), and the concepts of martyrology are still important elements. Respect for mortification of the flesh has led on to the veneration of Matt Talbot and Padre Pio, and claims of miracles are investigated."
Any suggestions / additions? Many cultural elements are associated with the church that non-Irish people would not know about. 86.42.218.67 ( talk) 13:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I consider that User:Krzyzowiec is a bit POV himself, looking at his own page. Maybe best to stick to Polish wikipedia and all its "left-liberal" admins. Who would like me to haul in the numerous Irish refs from the sex abuse article? Red Hurley ( talk) 12:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I've edited the opening paragraph of this article (mostly because grammatically it had problems), but I'm not even comfortable that it is as it should be. The CIA factbook offered as a source says 87.4% for the Republic and doesn't say anything about 'infant baptism,' so I don't know if that's not actually the source that's meant or if the # is simply wrong. I can't find the source for the NI percentage, so I wonder if it is correct or specifically tied to the claim of 'infant baptism.' I also removed the total island population from the sentence because the percentages were for the individual jurisdictions, rendering the island pop. unhelpful. Nuclare ( talk) 04:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Over 1500 years of history but nothing before 1800? I'll try to rectify it. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 09:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
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I rather resent the allegation that I dumped the entire contents. If you had read and compared the two, you would have seen the considerable amount of editing that I had been engaging to reduce the size of the history section. I cut out about 60 percent of the article. Suggest you take the time to talk with an editor if you don't understand what they are doing. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 11:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, I've brought back a lot of the history section that I deleted last night but after some significant further editing to trim it down. It's still too long but the problem isn't so much extraneous detail any more as it is the problem of separating the history of the Roman Catholic church in Ireland from the history of Roman Catholics in Ireland. Much of the history section deals with political, economic and military history which belongs in History of Ireland instead of in this article or in History of Roman Catholicism in Ireland. The problem, of course, is that the church has been involved in many of the interactions between Catholic Ireland and Protestant England. I have cut out as much as I could in the first pass but more trimming is necessary. -- Richard ( talk) 16:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I have removed 99% of the history section for being overly long and imperfectly encyclopedic. Red Hurley ( talk) 20:51, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
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Hi, I'm curious as to what happened to land confiscated by the Anglican Church during the Reformation after disestablishment or after independence. Did the Roman Catholic Church get any buildings or land back? Did they purchase it from the Church of Ireland? It seems the cathedrals in Dublin are shared, is that common? So curious! Arthurian Legend ( talk) 16:44, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Really? So a tiny organization like the Church of Ireland has maintains ownership of pre-Reformation church buildings in the Republic of Ireland? But who actually goes there to worship? Seems a bit expensive, no? I clearly misread the St Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin and Christchurch, Dublin articles. thanks for clearing that up, Laurel Lodged!
When James II came to Dublin and convened the Patriot Parliament, he remained the head of the (protestant) Churches of England and Ireland, while also being a Catholic for most of his life. He made no adjustments. From the 1800s some historians supposed that church property was confiscated, but they were wrong. Various rulers (Gaelic, Norman, English) had given lands to be used for churches and monasteries; other rulers would occasionally take them back or sell them off. Quite a lot of property has been sold off by all the churches themselves since 1922, notably the Dublin Mosque building. 78.16.124.207 ( talk) 20:16, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. As I said at the Scotland page just now, perhaps a universal RfC is in order, but until it happens they are treated page by page. This move discussion has no consensus either way. — Amakuru ( talk) 12:30, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Roman Catholicism in Ireland →
Catholic Church in Ireland – To be in line with definitive rename of main article to
Catholic Church, and to avoid excluding Eastern Catholic presence in the country. (Yes, they exist there,
since at least 1932.) Deus vult!
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talk) 07:18, 14 May 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. —
JFG
talk
12:25, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: procedural close. This is already happening. -- Tavix ( talk) 17:51, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
Roman Catholicism in Ireland → Catholic Church in Ireland – As per consensus on Talk:Catholic Church in Armenia. Chicbyaccident (Please notify with {{SUBST: re}} ( Talk) 09:58, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
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The source referenced (Brady, p193) does not support the statement in the section 'Counter-Reformation and suppression' - 'all but two of the bishops of the Church in Ireland followed the decision (to break away from the Papacy)' - it states the opposite. Clivemacd ( talk) 12:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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The Founder heading should be amended or removed to show the RCC only claims continuity with Patrick’s Church. The RCC is a discontinuous institution in Ireland, whose Irish line is dubious. This is in parallel to the Church of Ireland page, for the sake of a uniform editorial policy. LODU70 ( talk) 10:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
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I've removed the template "20th century persecutions of the Catholic Church" as it doesn't mntion any Irish Catholic persecutees. 86.42.206.248 ( talk) 12:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
"Alongside the church itself, many Irish folk traditions persisted for centuries as a part of the church's culture. Holy relics are thought to possess curative or magical powers, colourful "patterns" (processions) in honour of local saints persisted into the 1800s, and in 1985 thousands gathered to pray during the Moving statues phenomenon. Mariolatry is a central element, focused on the shrine at Knock, where the Virgin Mary appeared in 1879. Recent feasts and cults such as the Immaculate Conception of Mary (1854) and the Sacred Heart of Jesus (1856), and the concepts of martyrology are still important elements. Respect for mortification of the flesh has led on to the veneration of Matt Talbot and Padre Pio, and claims of miracles are investigated."
Any suggestions / additions? Many cultural elements are associated with the church that non-Irish people would not know about. 86.42.218.67 ( talk) 13:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I consider that User:Krzyzowiec is a bit POV himself, looking at his own page. Maybe best to stick to Polish wikipedia and all its "left-liberal" admins. Who would like me to haul in the numerous Irish refs from the sex abuse article? Red Hurley ( talk) 12:51, 11 November 2008 (UTC)
I've edited the opening paragraph of this article (mostly because grammatically it had problems), but I'm not even comfortable that it is as it should be. The CIA factbook offered as a source says 87.4% for the Republic and doesn't say anything about 'infant baptism,' so I don't know if that's not actually the source that's meant or if the # is simply wrong. I can't find the source for the NI percentage, so I wonder if it is correct or specifically tied to the claim of 'infant baptism.' I also removed the total island population from the sentence because the percentages were for the individual jurisdictions, rendering the island pop. unhelpful. Nuclare ( talk) 04:21, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
Over 1500 years of history but nothing before 1800? I'll try to rectify it. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 09:19, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
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I rather resent the allegation that I dumped the entire contents. If you had read and compared the two, you would have seen the considerable amount of editing that I had been engaging to reduce the size of the history section. I cut out about 60 percent of the article. Suggest you take the time to talk with an editor if you don't understand what they are doing. Benkenobi18 ( talk) 11:32, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
OK, I've brought back a lot of the history section that I deleted last night but after some significant further editing to trim it down. It's still too long but the problem isn't so much extraneous detail any more as it is the problem of separating the history of the Roman Catholic church in Ireland from the history of Roman Catholics in Ireland. Much of the history section deals with political, economic and military history which belongs in History of Ireland instead of in this article or in History of Roman Catholicism in Ireland. The problem, of course, is that the church has been involved in many of the interactions between Catholic Ireland and Protestant England. I have cut out as much as I could in the first pass but more trimming is necessary. -- Richard ( talk) 16:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
I have removed 99% of the history section for being overly long and imperfectly encyclopedic. Red Hurley ( talk) 20:51, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
I dispute the neutrality of this article. It does not discuss the reduction of Catholicism in Ireland. See example sources below
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Hi, I'm curious as to what happened to land confiscated by the Anglican Church during the Reformation after disestablishment or after independence. Did the Roman Catholic Church get any buildings or land back? Did they purchase it from the Church of Ireland? It seems the cathedrals in Dublin are shared, is that common? So curious! Arthurian Legend ( talk) 16:44, 1 October 2015 (UTC)
Really? So a tiny organization like the Church of Ireland has maintains ownership of pre-Reformation church buildings in the Republic of Ireland? But who actually goes there to worship? Seems a bit expensive, no? I clearly misread the St Patrick's Cathedral, Dublin and Christchurch, Dublin articles. thanks for clearing that up, Laurel Lodged!
When James II came to Dublin and convened the Patriot Parliament, he remained the head of the (protestant) Churches of England and Ireland, while also being a Catholic for most of his life. He made no adjustments. From the 1800s some historians supposed that church property was confiscated, but they were wrong. Various rulers (Gaelic, Norman, English) had given lands to be used for churches and monasteries; other rulers would occasionally take them back or sell them off. Quite a lot of property has been sold off by all the churches themselves since 1922, notably the Dublin Mosque building. 78.16.124.207 ( talk) 20:16, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No consensus. As I said at the Scotland page just now, perhaps a universal RfC is in order, but until it happens they are treated page by page. This move discussion has no consensus either way. — Amakuru ( talk) 12:30, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
Roman Catholicism in Ireland →
Catholic Church in Ireland – To be in line with definitive rename of main article to
Catholic Church, and to avoid excluding Eastern Catholic presence in the country. (Yes, they exist there,
since at least 1932.) Deus vult!
Crusadestudent (
talk) 07:18, 14 May 2016 (UTC) --Relisted. —
JFG
talk
12:25, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: procedural close. This is already happening. -- Tavix ( talk) 17:51, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
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The source referenced (Brady, p193) does not support the statement in the section 'Counter-Reformation and suppression' - 'all but two of the bishops of the Church in Ireland followed the decision (to break away from the Papacy)' - it states the opposite. Clivemacd ( talk) 12:42, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
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The Founder heading should be amended or removed to show the RCC only claims continuity with Patrick’s Church. The RCC is a discontinuous institution in Ireland, whose Irish line is dubious. This is in parallel to the Church of Ireland page, for the sake of a uniform editorial policy. LODU70 ( talk) 10:43, 19 March 2024 (UTC)