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The T-Birds are still skating. Their next game is October 13,2007 at Fairplex Pomona. The T-Bird website gives more info: www.lathunderbirds.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hlecptr ( talk • contribs) 00:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The T-birds are still skating there website is WWW.latbirds.com they are skating this saturday june 14 and 21 2008 at the Pomona fairgrounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.210.160 ( talk) 01:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
While the website is up, it appears abandoned and does not appear to have been updated since 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.250.183.41 ( talk) 06:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Whoever wrote this article is clueless.
I watched and attended Roller Games events in the Olympic Auditorium from 1978-1981 and they were sold out. There were WEEKLY events between 1975 and 1989 this article does not even mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.201.188.178 ( talk • contribs) 20:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
While I respect what you are telling me videos on YouTube say different - just Google Ronnie Rains arguably the biggest star in Roller Games and you can watch him in action in the 1980 SEASON OPENER. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Razor7 ( talk • contribs).
From: http://www.liquid-blue.com/photos/bandmembers/scott/T-BirdHistoryHome.htm
The 1970's - Up's and Downs
... In 1973, Roller Games absorbed many Roller Derby skaters into the league when that original league folded. Within two years, Roller Games also shut down operations (for a short time) due to financial difficulties and other problems. With the determined hard work of many skaters, especially John Hall and Ralph Valladares, the T-Birds fielded a team in 1975 and began rebuilding. John and Ralphie opened a T-Bird training facility in Pico Rivera (the T-Bird Rollerdrome) and thus began a new era for the T-Birds, Roller Games and the sport of Roller Derby.
There it is ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Razor7 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, August 20, 2007 (UTC).
Griffiths played a huge role, he was on the track every season for the championship series, and appeared on screen to discuss certain league controversies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.201.188.178 ( talk) 15:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Geniac reverted anonymous contributions from 63.164.145.198 because of lack of citations, and also, I'm guessing, because the same IP address was responsible for blanking an unrelated article earlier in the day. Besides adding citations for anything potentially contentious that's in the article already, we need to adhere to higher standards going forward. Please, when adding new material, cite your sources! Thanks! — mjb ( talk) 03:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a breach-of-contract lawsuit in progress, filed in January by Bill Griffiths, Jr. against Bob Sedillo (Pegasus Music Group). There is much discussion about it at David Sams' Web site www.rollergames.com. When last I looked, word had it that it may go to trial this coming spring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CookyMonzta ( talk • contribs) 19:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
There is word from the roller derby fan site RollerFans.com that Bob Sedillo passed away on 29 November 2009, the details of which are not yet known. As for the litigation, I am still oblivious to the details for which the Griffiths family brought their suit against Sedillo (with the exception of perhaps a possible breach of contract or a violation of the terms of the change in ownership of the T-Birds), or the damages they were seeking; but what I am aware of, as of late, was that the Griffiths family won their lawsuit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CookyMonzta ( talk • contribs) 07:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
"Roller Games was the name of a sports entertainment spectacle created in the early 1960s in Los Angeles, California[1] as a rival to the Jerry Seltzer-owned Roller Derby league, which had enjoyed a monopoly on the sport of roller derby — and its name — since its inception in 1935."
This suggests that there was no other leagues besides Leo/Jerry Seltzer's NRDL (National Roller Derby League) between 1935 and 1961 and that Roller Games (or National Skating Derby) was the first other league to play such a game.
There were other "outlaw" leagues before NSD formed in 1961. Most notably the International Roller Speedway league played games across the U.S. and around the world back in the 1950s. It wasn't called "Roller Derby" due to trademark issues, same as Roller Games. It'd take a bit more research to get the full skinny on when IRS started/finished, but this link suggests it was in action in 1953. Original research here: I know a skater who skated with the International Roller Speedway in between tours with Leo Seltzer's Roller Derby. In any case, it's not quite correct that there was a monopoly (other than on the name) before Roller Games came along.
Outlaw leagues tended to come and go (some of 'em dying before playing a single game). But there probably were a good ten or twenty of them during the life of NRDL/IRDL. You can sometimes find the programs on eBay. TimBRoy ( talk) 01:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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The T-Birds are still skating. Their next game is October 13,2007 at Fairplex Pomona. The T-Bird website gives more info: www.lathunderbirds.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hlecptr ( talk • contribs) 00:39, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
The T-birds are still skating there website is WWW.latbirds.com they are skating this saturday june 14 and 21 2008 at the Pomona fairgrounds. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.142.210.160 ( talk) 01:07, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
While the website is up, it appears abandoned and does not appear to have been updated since 2007. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.250.183.41 ( talk) 06:17, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
Whoever wrote this article is clueless.
I watched and attended Roller Games events in the Olympic Auditorium from 1978-1981 and they were sold out. There were WEEKLY events between 1975 and 1989 this article does not even mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.201.188.178 ( talk • contribs) 20:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
While I respect what you are telling me videos on YouTube say different - just Google Ronnie Rains arguably the biggest star in Roller Games and you can watch him in action in the 1980 SEASON OPENER. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Razor7 ( talk • contribs).
From: http://www.liquid-blue.com/photos/bandmembers/scott/T-BirdHistoryHome.htm
The 1970's - Up's and Downs
... In 1973, Roller Games absorbed many Roller Derby skaters into the league when that original league folded. Within two years, Roller Games also shut down operations (for a short time) due to financial difficulties and other problems. With the determined hard work of many skaters, especially John Hall and Ralph Valladares, the T-Birds fielded a team in 1975 and began rebuilding. John and Ralphie opened a T-Bird training facility in Pico Rivera (the T-Bird Rollerdrome) and thus began a new era for the T-Birds, Roller Games and the sport of Roller Derby.
There it is ... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Razor7 ( talk • contribs) 21:35, August 20, 2007 (UTC).
Griffiths played a huge role, he was on the track every season for the championship series, and appeared on screen to discuss certain league controversies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.201.188.178 ( talk) 15:18, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
Geniac reverted anonymous contributions from 63.164.145.198 because of lack of citations, and also, I'm guessing, because the same IP address was responsible for blanking an unrelated article earlier in the day. Besides adding citations for anything potentially contentious that's in the article already, we need to adhere to higher standards going forward. Please, when adding new material, cite your sources! Thanks! — mjb ( talk) 03:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a breach-of-contract lawsuit in progress, filed in January by Bill Griffiths, Jr. against Bob Sedillo (Pegasus Music Group). There is much discussion about it at David Sams' Web site www.rollergames.com. When last I looked, word had it that it may go to trial this coming spring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CookyMonzta ( talk • contribs) 19:37, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
There is word from the roller derby fan site RollerFans.com that Bob Sedillo passed away on 29 November 2009, the details of which are not yet known. As for the litigation, I am still oblivious to the details for which the Griffiths family brought their suit against Sedillo (with the exception of perhaps a possible breach of contract or a violation of the terms of the change in ownership of the T-Birds), or the damages they were seeking; but what I am aware of, as of late, was that the Griffiths family won their lawsuit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by CookyMonzta ( talk • contribs) 07:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
"Roller Games was the name of a sports entertainment spectacle created in the early 1960s in Los Angeles, California[1] as a rival to the Jerry Seltzer-owned Roller Derby league, which had enjoyed a monopoly on the sport of roller derby — and its name — since its inception in 1935."
This suggests that there was no other leagues besides Leo/Jerry Seltzer's NRDL (National Roller Derby League) between 1935 and 1961 and that Roller Games (or National Skating Derby) was the first other league to play such a game.
There were other "outlaw" leagues before NSD formed in 1961. Most notably the International Roller Speedway league played games across the U.S. and around the world back in the 1950s. It wasn't called "Roller Derby" due to trademark issues, same as Roller Games. It'd take a bit more research to get the full skinny on when IRS started/finished, but this link suggests it was in action in 1953. Original research here: I know a skater who skated with the International Roller Speedway in between tours with Leo Seltzer's Roller Derby. In any case, it's not quite correct that there was a monopoly (other than on the name) before Roller Games came along.
Outlaw leagues tended to come and go (some of 'em dying before playing a single game). But there probably were a good ten or twenty of them during the life of NRDL/IRDL. You can sometimes find the programs on eBay. TimBRoy ( talk) 01:43, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
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