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ALT1 ... that the theory put forth by Italian art historian Pallucchini that Venetian painter Giambattista Pittoni studied under Veronese painter Antonio Balestra is widely discredited?
Note: the nominator is currently blocked from new mainspace or category creations over concerns regarding competency; however, as they are not fully blocked I am not sure if this will affect the nomination or not. This is just something to keep in mind.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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contributions) 07:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Wasn't blocked at the time, and can still edit the page, so should be fine. I'm a bit irked by the fact that none of the accessdates are recent, which implies that they've been copied from somewhere.--Launchballer 09:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: Looking at their talk page, it appears they have already received a warning for copyright violations. For what it's worth, while Earwigs gave a largely okay score,
there are at least two sentences that are very close matches with another source, but I don't know if they're acceptable given they're relatively minor, or this still counts as a copyvio or close paraphrasing.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 09:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't think that's severe enough to warrant quick-failing/
WP:G12ing, but something must be done about it. Pinging
Brudelman for immediate attention.--Launchballer 10:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I merely copied and pasted the text for the Rodolfo Pallucchini article from its Italian language counterpart, its original sole article. Also, @
Narutolovehinata5 I'm curious, what are access dates? Why are you irked that they aren't recent? Thanks.
Brudelman (
talk) 12:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Access dates are the date the reference was accessed, web pages sometimes change and they're useful for establishing which version is being cited. My beef is that older references are usually an indicator of "this has existed elsewhere", which could mean this is a split, which could affect eligibility per
WP:DYKLEN. Translations are fine though, per
WP:DYKNEW.--Launchballer 12:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
If it was based on the Italian article, then the translation must be attributed, either by using {{Translated|it|Rodolfo Pallucchini}} in the talk page, or by explicitly saying so in the edit summary.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 13:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This has now been done. Full review needed.--Launchballer 02:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Might as well give this a preliminary review while I'm here. I think the main elephant in the room is that the current hook isn't actually all that hooky. It doesn't really make it clear why him being a director is such a big deal, nor would it catch much attention. There are also multiple uncited statements in the article, such as several entries in the Administrative positions section (which might work better in prose rather than as a list). The last sentence of the Career section is unreferenced, and is also missing a space before it.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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contributions) 10:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Far more trivial articles have been featured in the DYK section, so I suppose it wouldn't hurt to give it some attention to enrichen the article.
Brudelman (
talk) 18:57, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm afraid I cannot embellish the article with the reason being that I am not familiar the subject person nor his immediate relations seeing as how I do not live anywhere near his region.
Brudelman (
talk) 20:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
If the issues cannot be addressed then unfortunately the article cannot run on DYK in its current state.
Narutolovehinata5 (
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contributions) 22:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
As the nominator has been blocked, the issues are unlikely to be resolved; I am thus rejecting this nom.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
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ALT1 ... that the theory put forth by Italian art historian Pallucchini that Venetian painter Giambattista Pittoni studied under Veronese painter Antonio Balestra is widely discredited?
Note: the nominator is currently blocked from new mainspace or category creations over concerns regarding competency; however, as they are not fully blocked I am not sure if this will affect the nomination or not. This is just something to keep in mind.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 07:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Wasn't blocked at the time, and can still edit the page, so should be fine. I'm a bit irked by the fact that none of the accessdates are recent, which implies that they've been copied from somewhere.--Launchballer 09:47, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
@
Launchballer: Looking at their talk page, it appears they have already received a warning for copyright violations. For what it's worth, while Earwigs gave a largely okay score,
there are at least two sentences that are very close matches with another source, but I don't know if they're acceptable given they're relatively minor, or this still counts as a copyvio or close paraphrasing.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 09:56, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I don't think that's severe enough to warrant quick-failing/
WP:G12ing, but something must be done about it. Pinging
Brudelman for immediate attention.--Launchballer 10:24, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
I merely copied and pasted the text for the Rodolfo Pallucchini article from its Italian language counterpart, its original sole article. Also, @
Narutolovehinata5 I'm curious, what are access dates? Why are you irked that they aren't recent? Thanks.
Brudelman (
talk) 12:02, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Access dates are the date the reference was accessed, web pages sometimes change and they're useful for establishing which version is being cited. My beef is that older references are usually an indicator of "this has existed elsewhere", which could mean this is a split, which could affect eligibility per
WP:DYKLEN. Translations are fine though, per
WP:DYKNEW.--Launchballer 12:41, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
If it was based on the Italian article, then the translation must be attributed, either by using {{Translated|it|Rodolfo Pallucchini}} in the talk page, or by explicitly saying so in the edit summary.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 13:38, 10 April 2024 (UTC)reply
This has now been done. Full review needed.--Launchballer 02:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Might as well give this a preliminary review while I'm here. I think the main elephant in the room is that the current hook isn't actually all that hooky. It doesn't really make it clear why him being a director is such a big deal, nor would it catch much attention. There are also multiple uncited statements in the article, such as several entries in the Administrative positions section (which might work better in prose rather than as a list). The last sentence of the Career section is unreferenced, and is also missing a space before it.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 10:11, 14 April 2024 (UTC)reply
Far more trivial articles have been featured in the DYK section, so I suppose it wouldn't hurt to give it some attention to enrichen the article.
Brudelman (
talk) 18:57, 1 May 2024 (UTC)reply
I'm afraid I cannot embellish the article with the reason being that I am not familiar the subject person nor his immediate relations seeing as how I do not live anywhere near his region.
Brudelman (
talk) 20:13, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
If the issues cannot be addressed then unfortunately the article cannot run on DYK in its current state.
Narutolovehinata5 (
talk ·
contributions) 22:14, 2 May 2024 (UTC)reply
As the nominator has been blocked, the issues are unlikely to be resolved; I am thus rejecting this nom.
~~ AirshipJungleman29 (
talk) 19:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)reply