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"The members of the Rockefeller family are noted for their philanthropy simultaneously with their genocidal and eugenic philosophies, which is inherently an irreconcilable contradiction; a Rockefeller Archive Center study in 2004 documents an incomplete list of 72 major institutions that the family has created and/or endowed up to the present day, though using money created with the fractional reserve banking system, which manufactures it from thin air, forcing the rest of society to pay with inflation. These organizations have served as the fronts through which the Rockefellers have operated their philosophy of depopulation (read: murder) and population genetics ideals."
"The family is also known for its long association with and financial interest in the Chase Manhattan Bank, now JP Morgan Chase. The family also has also been involved in multiple treasonous acts in order to push forward the New World Order agenda. The family's fortune is estimated to be between $130 billion and $13 trillion dollars, enough to buy half the world's countries and enough to buy off politicians, bankers, and corporations in order to push forward the family's fascist agenda."
From the first part of the article.
206.132.97.4 ( talk) 11:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
You are definitely right: this article reads like one big propaganda piece about those noble Rockefellers. Half of the article is just a big list of donations. I suppose when one is so rich you have media-manipulators on staff 24 hours a day Selena1981 ( talk) 19:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
The name is not French Origin, it is German. It came from Rockenfeld, Germany and the name originated as Rockenfeller. It was then changed to Rockefeller when Johann Peter Rockenfeller Jr. came to the U.S. He was born in Segendorf, Westerwald, Germany, on March 22, 1711, and died in about 1787 in Hunterdon County, New Jersey. He had 9 children. How do I know all of this, my last name is Rockefeller and I have whole family tree dating back to Germany in the origination in Rockenfeld, Germany. So trust me, it is not a French name.
I already referenced Scheiffarth, Engelbert. "Der New Yorker Gouverneur Nelson A. Rockefeller und die Rockenfeller im Neuwieder Raum." Genealogisches Jahrbuch, vol. 9, 1969, pp. 16-41, which states that the paragraph starting with
However, it is sometimes stated that the Rockefeller surname originated from the Roquefeuille,...
is wrong, more details below. If there is no reliable source given I would suggest to remove the paragraph.
Furthermore I would like to know whether the statement
Johann Peter immigrated to New Jersey from the German Palatinate in 1723
is sourced anywhere. -- Dagox ( talk) 11:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
However, it is sometimes stated that the Rockefeller surname originated from the Roquefeuille, from the region of Limousin, France. If true, that may explain why they were located in the Midwest, where most of the French immigrants settled. This New France, which consisted of 15 states north of Louisiana, was home to more than 150,000 citation needed Frenchmen and women in 1803 when Louisiana was sold to the USA. In France, the version Roquefeuille is also known as a family name. Back in the 16th century, some French nobles were Protestant and fled the absolutist Catholic regime to go to Germany. They dispersed throughout the German kingdoms and Switzerland. This is generally the favored version of historians to explain the ultimate roots of the Rockefeller name. citation needed The name may also come from the "Roquefeuil", a Catholic family from the region of Languedoc (France). citation needed
The earliest known ancestor is Goddart Rockenfeller (1590, Fahr). [1] The Rockefeller family is descended from Johann Peter Rockenfeller (1682–1763), grandson of Goddart, and Johann Thiel Rockenfeller (1695–1796), great-grandson of Goddart. Johann Peter immigrated to New Jersey from the German Palatinate in 1723 and acquired large landholdings.
-- Dagox ( talk) 14:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
References
As already said, German origin. The family name derives from the former settlement of Rockenfeld near Neuwied. Nowadays Rockenfeld is an abandoned village https://books.google.de/books?id=n57UCwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=de#v=onepage&q&f=false - - the meaning is "Roggenfeld" = German, the cereal plant "Roggen" Rye + "Feld" field (agriculture). See: coat of arms https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockenfeld -- 2003:E8:5BC9:4E64:BC57:EBC9:B5C9:499E ( talk) 06:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Any reason Nicholas Rockefeller is not on this list? (As if we didn't know) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.254.124.38 ( talk) 11:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw Aaron Russo talk about him in an interview and came here to see who the guy was, why isn't he here? I mean, he does exist, doesn't he? -- Piotr Mitas ( talk) 21:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
See Council on Foreign Relations Membership List, R, for Rockefeller. His name is there, officially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.212.244 ( talk) 18:04, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
What exactly does this first sentence mean? "The Rockefeller family, founded by John D. Rockefeller (1839-1937)..."
He was not the first Rockefeller, and how exactly do you "found" a family? This seems to be a nonsensical sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.151.209 ( talk) 03:05, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I agree, the sentence give the impression of a company foundation.( cantikadam ( talk) 11:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)).
No mention of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_(industrialist)
Another hit on Wikipedias credibility. Sounds like the Rockefellers are donating to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergn ( talk • contribs) 22:25, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
There is no real assertion of WP:N on this page outside of being a member of the family. Ought to be redirected here instead of deleted, but I wanted to let it be discussed before I WP:Be Bold. - Jcbarr 22:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
After consulting the other Wiki language versions of this page that, I felt the list of Rockefeller family members was best displayed in the order of each Rockefeller's birth, followed by their children in birth order as well. I felt an alphabetical list of Rockerfellers was not very family-oriented and that the purpose of this page was to highlight how each Rockerfeller was related to one another. -- Caponer 00:30, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
From my perspective this may be an information of interest. In the last version before I added this, there was a wrong explanation given for the ethymology of the family name. If there are no objections, I'd like to insert this again.-- Dagox 11:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I. Johannes (*ca. 1634, †2.8.1684 in Niederbieber). Second marriage with Elisabeth Margaretha Remagen from Segendorf in 1678 9. Johann Peter I. (*1682 in Rengsdorf). Married Anna Maria Remagen from Segendorf (*1684, †1720) in 1717 in Niederbieber. Second marriage in 1720 with Elisabeth Christine Runkel from Bonefeld. They move in 1723 to Ringoes, NJ. 2. Johann Peter II. (*22.3.1711 in Niederbieber), son of Anna Maria Remagen. (*) William (*1750). Married in 1772 at Germantown Christina Rockefeller (=II.2.4.4.(*), see below). (*) Godfrey (*24.9.1783). Married to Lucy Avery (family of english origin). 1. William Avery (*1810, †1906). Married to Eliza Davison (*1813, †1889). He was looking for noble descent and a servile genealogist "found" his pedigree back to the french family de Roquefeullie, who had had to flee France since they were huguenots. The legend says they had changed the french name to Rockenfeller when they had moved to Neuwied, altough the name of Rockenfeld is well documented long before. 2. John Davison. II. Johann Wilhelm (*ca. 1628 in Ehlscheid, †24.7.1702 in Rengsdorf). 2. Anton (or Tönges) (*ca. 1658, †18.7.1707 in Rengsdorf), married in 1685 in Rengsdorf Gertrud Pauli. 4. Johann Thiel (Theil) (*1695 in Ehlscheid). Married to Anna Gertrud Alsdorf from Bonefeld. 4. Johann Simon (15.1.1730 in Ehlscheid, †1795). Married to Anna Bähr. Moved in 1735 to Germantown, NY. (*) Christina.
"The six-generation dynasty of John D. Rockefeller is undoubtedly the greatest philanthropic family in the United States, after Andrew Carnegie initiated the concept of major philanthropy in the 1880s. Its historical underpinnings are credited to John D.'s devout Christian mother Eliza Davison (1813-1889), who instilled in him the regular practice of tithing, which he began in 1855 when he started his first job as an assistant bookkeeper.[2]"
Not exactly neutral there, "undoubtedly the greatest", most money given to the best causes? Way off topic towards the end.
So I've changed it to "The Rockefeller family are noted for their philanthropy". —The preceding
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CARNIGIE IS THE GREATEST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.144.201 ( talk) 00:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a very unusual form of genealogical fraud that appears to be in action here. I have removed a group of children from the list of descendents of William Rockefeller, to wit a purported descendent "Sarah Elizabeth Rose b 1958" and her three children. It appears that no such connection exists. Go here to see the list of the real descendents that James Stillman Rockefeller had. Wjhonson 02:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
moc.eivomtsiegtiez.www There is no mentioning in this article how they kept there money tree growing. For example we now this from I.G Farben company but not from the 'o so rich' Rockefeller family. Kind a strange isnt it?. Some history insights about this might be wise to make public. As it has a lot todo with some people's freedom.
Much is lacking in criticism of this dominant capitalist family
As of Thurs, Dec 6th 4am, this article has two lines...two lines of critcism!!! Ludlow massacre etc...I shan't go on. Please add to this, as criticism sections are always very much important in adding other standpoints to any article. Let's get more than just "great philanthropy" up here please...possible whitewashing?
Howard Zinn anyone? —Preceding
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68.230.127.25 (
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14:32, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
As far as I know in U.S.A. there is no dynasty exists or am I wrong? I would ttry to be sarcastic but it is painfully explicit anyhow.( cantikadam ( talk) 11:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)).
Yes, you are wrong. A 'dynasty' does not specifically refer to nobility, but to any prominent family (i asume that is the part that was unclear to you). Such a family might be notably rich or notably famous as entertainers or politicians or some such Selena1981 ( talk) 19:34, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
"The family was also the fourth richest family in history.[citation needed]"
I fail to understand how it is possible to measure a family's wealth, since a family is not a discrete entity. While Rockafeller's status as the wealthiest (inflation adjusted) man in history is arguable, I don't even believe this measure to be possible...and if it is, it certainly needs a citation. CelestialRender ( talk) 15:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it worth mention about the con artist from West Germany who claimed to be a descendant of Rockefeller? JustN5:12 ( talk) 21:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
i have added to the criticism section. Alas, over half of the content was deleted. will others please add to the section? its the smallest out of all of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.245.99 ( talk) 21:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
I removed the phrase "with jewish roots" (sic) from the first sentence. In addition to being unsubstantiated (no citation), it is a well-known Anti-semitic falsehood--not that were the Rockefellers Jewish it would impugn the Jews, but that supposedly the Rockefellers' "secret Jewishness" explains their business success, on the premise of a cabal. The Rockefeller family is Protestant, and there is no evidence that their ancestors were Jewish, secretly or otherwise. I removed the sentence rather than discussed it because (a) it is inflammatory, and (b) it is not an element of serious discussion. [Not signed]
The big list of family members might benefit from the use of Template:familytree, and being trimmed down to notable members. — Hex (❝?!❞) 03:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
This had been deleted, but I don't see that it is out of place. What do others think?
- Mate if this has been deleted, then they probably wouldn't want us to know. Why would this particular part get deleted? For sport? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.49.21.94 ( talk) 08:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Some opponents of the the New World Order have seen the Rockerfeller wealth and influence as key components of a conspiracy to bring about One world government. One of these was Cong. Larry McDonald, conservative Democratic Representative to Congress from the 7th District of Georgia. Along with 268 other passengers, McDonald was aboard Korean Air Lines Flight 007 when it was shot down by the Soviets off of Sakhalin Island on Sept. 1, 1983. He was the only sitting congressman reportedly killed by the Soviets during the Cold War and his death further fueled opposition to New World Order.
"The drive of the Rockefeller family and their allies is to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control ... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."[18][19]
"Beginning with Rockefeller Senior, the family has been a major force in land conservation"
This has to be highly debatable. And where's the evidence? -- Ceiteag Bheag ( talk) 00:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
The way the spouses are currently shown makes no sense at all. Many of them are disconnected from who they are supposed to have married, so we can't even figure it out. The spouses should be merged into the main descent trail to make it clear who each person married. Wjhonson ( talk) 14:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
"...The family, with its far reaching philanthropy, as well as its oil, real estate, banking, and international institutions, remains a benchmark for extreme wealth ("as rich as Rockefeller"), as "Senior" is still regarded as the wealthiest man who has ever lived, worth over $300 billion in today's figures, easily surpassing Bill Gates, in terms adjusted by inflation indexing.[25]..."
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 10:25, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
The information in the Family Archives section is out of date and not entirely correct. Here's a suggestion for an updated description:
The Rockefeller family archives are held at the Rockefeller Archive Center, located in the former home of Martha Baird Rockefeller in Sleepy Hollow, New York. The Archive Center was originally established in 1974 as a part of Rockefeller University, but in 2008, it became an independent operating foundation. At present, the archives of John D. Rockefeller, Sr., William Rockefeller, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., Abby Aldrich Rockefeller, Abby Rockefeller Mauzé, John D. Rockefeller III, Blanchette Rockefeller, and Nelson Rockefeller are processed and open by appointment to readers in the Archive Center’s reading room. Processed portions of the papers of Laurance Rockefeller are also open. In addition, the Archive Center has a microfilm copy of the Winthrop Rockefeller papers, the originals of which are held at the University of Arkansas, Little Rock. The papers of the family office, known as the Office of the Messrs. Rockefeller, are also open for research, although those portions that relate to living family members are closed.
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13:43, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree, this section needs an update! The Rockefeller Archives Center is an independent institution, so I'm going to create a separate page for that (removing material from this article as necessary) and then pare down this Family Archives section using some of these suggestions. Perimeander ( talk) 21:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps we should change the name of the article to "A list of members of the Rockefeller family and all the wonderful things they donated money to". The article has no substance, no history, no real information at all other than a list of family members and the stuff they donated money to. A little criticism wouldn't go amiss. Anyone who held on to a fortune of hundreds of millions during the Great Depression can't be that great... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.5.35 ( talk) 01:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Whys is this section titled "The Edifice Complex?" There is no content or reference explaining the use of this term. It seems like a POV label. I propose that the section be re-named "Real estate development." -- Crunch ( talk) 16:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
What do the names in bold mean on the descendant section? There is no key to explain why they are special. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 22:25, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps the Rockefellers could endow a scholar to write this article, and employ another to edit it. This might avoid such textual horrors as, 'a vast three-story underground bunker built below the Martha Baird Rockefeller Hillcrest mansion'.
1. 'Vast'? In whose estimation, 'vast'? Is it ten square miles in area? One square mile? Fifty-five?
2. 'three-story'? So this bunker is a trilogy? Or some other kind of literary work? Perhaps you mean 'storey'.
3. 'underground bunker'? Bunkers are by definition located underground, or partly below-ground. It is like saying 'This house has an attic in the roof'.
4. If the structure is below ground, it cannot have 'storeys', but it might have 'levels'. A great many institutions, like government departments and large public libraries, have multi-level basements where books and other documents are stored in a stable and controlled-climate environment.
5. The word 'bunker' has pejorative, even sinister overtones; there are connotations of 'hideout' or 'fortress'; such words imply that the Rockefeller 'bunker' protects secret and/or compromising material, or that the family plans to hole up there when the US Second Civil War (Historians will call it 'The Second Amendment War') breaks out. The world knows that Hitler spent his last days on earth cowering in a bunker deep below Berlin. The word retains that unpleasant odour of death and madness.
6. So... why not say that the Martha Baird Rockefeller Hillcrest 'mansion' (what is a 'mansion' anyway? There are pejorative overtones here, too. 'Mansion' is a word used by some persons to describe a dwelling they believe to be larger than its occupants deserve and/or need) has a three-level basement where the Rockefeller family papers are stored. 121.44.162.10 ( talk) 08:10, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I know that this family has its own secret service which is researching everything about UFO.
For example, they are spending billions of dollars just for travelling across the world to research everything about crop circles.
Somebody could add this information with proper source into the article. I'm sure it will be useful.
Cheers!
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The list of family members was excessive, see WP:NOTGENEALOGY. I have pruned it in a bold edit. I used the following guidelines:
I have added the numbers of children, where known, to indicate that names have been deleted.
I am happy to discuss this; please put any objections or comments here. Verbcatcher ( talk) 23:27, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
I observe that someone has plastered a lot of who-remarks in conjunction with Junior while it above is clearly stated that John D. Rockefeller Jr. below will be referred to as Junior. -- J. P. Fagerback ( talk) 15:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
There's a paragraph at the bottom of the Real Estate section that smacks of conspiracy theories and seems to have been hidden there. The paragraph in question is:
Seeds of Destruction: Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation is a book by American writer, Frederick William Engdahl. In his book, Engdahl explains how the (oil-rich) Rockefeller family is planing to control world farming by the Green Revolution plan. Rockefeller family is trying to finish other family farms in the United States and also is trying do same as this plan to other countries and finally take the whole world food security on their hands.[20] Engdahl believes that green revolution is happening by the new world empire. He also sees the Rockefeller family hand behind the great Genetically modified organism (GMO) project to control world population.[21]
I'm not a regular user of Wikipedia but this doesn't belong here... it's nonsense and probably self-promotion. I deleted the paragraph.
I removed "Dudley–Winthrop family" and "Stover family" from the infobox, because they are not mentioned in the body of the article. 'Winthtop' is mentioned, but this appears to be a forename. Annabellracer has reverted my edit, without an edit summary. Please explain why these family names should be included here. Verbcatcher ( talk) 16:04, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Annabellracer: you have re-reverted my revert of your addition of Robert Clyde Rockefeller and his R.C. Rockefeller Entertainment company. My edit summary was:
You re-reverted without giving your reasons in an edit summary. This was discourteous, and gives us no indication of your reasoning. My analysis was:
Please justify your addition of this content. Verbcatcher ( talk) 16:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Annabellracer ( talk) 07:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC) Sorry for the delay Verbcatcher. I’m in graduate school. There are 177 living heirs to the Rockefeller family currently not listed. Also, the Stover family, as in Russle Stover, is also missing as a linked family with the Rockefeller family. As I research Robert, his father being a Rockefeller and his mother being a Stover, I will site my resources. I’m new here, and all of this work is part of my PhD. I should have sited Ancestry.com, but I have 177 Rockefeller family members to add, and research. And yes, they are all living heirs. Annabellracer ( talk) 07:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
I am starting this thread to resolve a dispute which has arisen regarding my inclusion of an image of John D. Rockefeller in the page's infobox. SNUGGUMS opposes using the picture for this page's infobox on the grounds that it may "potentially mislead readers into thinking nobody else from the family mattered." While it is not my intent to characterize other members of the family as insignificant, I believe it is fair to say that none of the future generations of the Rockefeller family would have exercised as much power and influence as they did were it not for the fortune that John D. Rockefeller amassed in the oil industry.
As for the possibility that visitors may get the impression that there were no other family members who had an impact on history, I would recommend interspersing pictures throughout the article of other Rockefellers who were famous. That way no visitors would wrongly get the impression that John D. Rockefeller was the only member of the family of any historical significance. Emiya1980 ( talk) 05:25, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
John D Rockefeller was not Vice President It was Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller under Gerald Ford. 174.247.251.112 ( talk) 19:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
According to the encyclical of Aekansas the governor of Arkansas was Winthrop Rockefeller the 4th son of John d rockefeller 174.247.251.112 ( talk) 19:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
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"The members of the Rockefeller family are noted for their philanthropy simultaneously with their genocidal and eugenic philosophies, which is inherently an irreconcilable contradiction; a Rockefeller Archive Center study in 2004 documents an incomplete list of 72 major institutions that the family has created and/or endowed up to the present day, though using money created with the fractional reserve banking system, which manufactures it from thin air, forcing the rest of society to pay with inflation. These organizations have served as the fronts through which the Rockefellers have operated their philosophy of depopulation (read: murder) and population genetics ideals."
"The family is also known for its long association with and financial interest in the Chase Manhattan Bank, now JP Morgan Chase. The family also has also been involved in multiple treasonous acts in order to push forward the New World Order agenda. The family's fortune is estimated to be between $130 billion and $13 trillion dollars, enough to buy half the world's countries and enough to buy off politicians, bankers, and corporations in order to push forward the family's fascist agenda."
From the first part of the article.
206.132.97.4 ( talk) 11:37, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
You are definitely right: this article reads like one big propaganda piece about those noble Rockefellers. Half of the article is just a big list of donations. I suppose when one is so rich you have media-manipulators on staff 24 hours a day Selena1981 ( talk) 19:27, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
The name is not French Origin, it is German. It came from Rockenfeld, Germany and the name originated as Rockenfeller. It was then changed to Rockefeller when Johann Peter Rockenfeller Jr. came to the U.S. He was born in Segendorf, Westerwald, Germany, on March 22, 1711, and died in about 1787 in Hunterdon County, New Jersey. He had 9 children. How do I know all of this, my last name is Rockefeller and I have whole family tree dating back to Germany in the origination in Rockenfeld, Germany. So trust me, it is not a French name.
I already referenced Scheiffarth, Engelbert. "Der New Yorker Gouverneur Nelson A. Rockefeller und die Rockenfeller im Neuwieder Raum." Genealogisches Jahrbuch, vol. 9, 1969, pp. 16-41, which states that the paragraph starting with
However, it is sometimes stated that the Rockefeller surname originated from the Roquefeuille,...
is wrong, more details below. If there is no reliable source given I would suggest to remove the paragraph.
Furthermore I would like to know whether the statement
Johann Peter immigrated to New Jersey from the German Palatinate in 1723
is sourced anywhere. -- Dagox ( talk) 11:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
However, it is sometimes stated that the Rockefeller surname originated from the Roquefeuille, from the region of Limousin, France. If true, that may explain why they were located in the Midwest, where most of the French immigrants settled. This New France, which consisted of 15 states north of Louisiana, was home to more than 150,000 citation needed Frenchmen and women in 1803 when Louisiana was sold to the USA. In France, the version Roquefeuille is also known as a family name. Back in the 16th century, some French nobles were Protestant and fled the absolutist Catholic regime to go to Germany. They dispersed throughout the German kingdoms and Switzerland. This is generally the favored version of historians to explain the ultimate roots of the Rockefeller name. citation needed The name may also come from the "Roquefeuil", a Catholic family from the region of Languedoc (France). citation needed
The earliest known ancestor is Goddart Rockenfeller (1590, Fahr). [1] The Rockefeller family is descended from Johann Peter Rockenfeller (1682–1763), grandson of Goddart, and Johann Thiel Rockenfeller (1695–1796), great-grandson of Goddart. Johann Peter immigrated to New Jersey from the German Palatinate in 1723 and acquired large landholdings.
-- Dagox ( talk) 14:54, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
References
As already said, German origin. The family name derives from the former settlement of Rockenfeld near Neuwied. Nowadays Rockenfeld is an abandoned village https://books.google.de/books?id=n57UCwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&hl=de#v=onepage&q&f=false - - the meaning is "Roggenfeld" = German, the cereal plant "Roggen" Rye + "Feld" field (agriculture). See: coat of arms https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockenfeld -- 2003:E8:5BC9:4E64:BC57:EBC9:B5C9:499E ( talk) 06:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Any reason Nicholas Rockefeller is not on this list? (As if we didn't know) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.254.124.38 ( talk) 11:39, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I saw Aaron Russo talk about him in an interview and came here to see who the guy was, why isn't he here? I mean, he does exist, doesn't he? -- Piotr Mitas ( talk) 21:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
See Council on Foreign Relations Membership List, R, for Rockefeller. His name is there, officially. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.52.212.244 ( talk) 18:04, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
What exactly does this first sentence mean? "The Rockefeller family, founded by John D. Rockefeller (1839-1937)..."
He was not the first Rockefeller, and how exactly do you "found" a family? This seems to be a nonsensical sentence. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.98.151.209 ( talk) 03:05, August 29, 2007 (UTC)
I agree, the sentence give the impression of a company foundation.( cantikadam ( talk) 11:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)).
No mention of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robber_baron_(industrialist)
Another hit on Wikipedias credibility. Sounds like the Rockefellers are donating to Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ergn ( talk • contribs) 22:25, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
There is no real assertion of WP:N on this page outside of being a member of the family. Ought to be redirected here instead of deleted, but I wanted to let it be discussed before I WP:Be Bold. - Jcbarr 22:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
After consulting the other Wiki language versions of this page that, I felt the list of Rockefeller family members was best displayed in the order of each Rockefeller's birth, followed by their children in birth order as well. I felt an alphabetical list of Rockerfellers was not very family-oriented and that the purpose of this page was to highlight how each Rockerfeller was related to one another. -- Caponer 00:30, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
From my perspective this may be an information of interest. In the last version before I added this, there was a wrong explanation given for the ethymology of the family name. If there are no objections, I'd like to insert this again.-- Dagox 11:59, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
I. Johannes (*ca. 1634, †2.8.1684 in Niederbieber). Second marriage with Elisabeth Margaretha Remagen from Segendorf in 1678 9. Johann Peter I. (*1682 in Rengsdorf). Married Anna Maria Remagen from Segendorf (*1684, †1720) in 1717 in Niederbieber. Second marriage in 1720 with Elisabeth Christine Runkel from Bonefeld. They move in 1723 to Ringoes, NJ. 2. Johann Peter II. (*22.3.1711 in Niederbieber), son of Anna Maria Remagen. (*) William (*1750). Married in 1772 at Germantown Christina Rockefeller (=II.2.4.4.(*), see below). (*) Godfrey (*24.9.1783). Married to Lucy Avery (family of english origin). 1. William Avery (*1810, †1906). Married to Eliza Davison (*1813, †1889). He was looking for noble descent and a servile genealogist "found" his pedigree back to the french family de Roquefeullie, who had had to flee France since they were huguenots. The legend says they had changed the french name to Rockenfeller when they had moved to Neuwied, altough the name of Rockenfeld is well documented long before. 2. John Davison. II. Johann Wilhelm (*ca. 1628 in Ehlscheid, †24.7.1702 in Rengsdorf). 2. Anton (or Tönges) (*ca. 1658, †18.7.1707 in Rengsdorf), married in 1685 in Rengsdorf Gertrud Pauli. 4. Johann Thiel (Theil) (*1695 in Ehlscheid). Married to Anna Gertrud Alsdorf from Bonefeld. 4. Johann Simon (15.1.1730 in Ehlscheid, †1795). Married to Anna Bähr. Moved in 1735 to Germantown, NY. (*) Christina.
"The six-generation dynasty of John D. Rockefeller is undoubtedly the greatest philanthropic family in the United States, after Andrew Carnegie initiated the concept of major philanthropy in the 1880s. Its historical underpinnings are credited to John D.'s devout Christian mother Eliza Davison (1813-1889), who instilled in him the regular practice of tithing, which he began in 1855 when he started his first job as an assistant bookkeeper.[2]"
Not exactly neutral there, "undoubtedly the greatest", most money given to the best causes? Way off topic towards the end.
So I've changed it to "The Rockefeller family are noted for their philanthropy". —The preceding
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CARNIGIE IS THE GREATEST —Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.155.144.201 ( talk) 00:47, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
There is a very unusual form of genealogical fraud that appears to be in action here. I have removed a group of children from the list of descendents of William Rockefeller, to wit a purported descendent "Sarah Elizabeth Rose b 1958" and her three children. It appears that no such connection exists. Go here to see the list of the real descendents that James Stillman Rockefeller had. Wjhonson 02:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
moc.eivomtsiegtiez.www There is no mentioning in this article how they kept there money tree growing. For example we now this from I.G Farben company but not from the 'o so rich' Rockefeller family. Kind a strange isnt it?. Some history insights about this might be wise to make public. As it has a lot todo with some people's freedom.
Much is lacking in criticism of this dominant capitalist family
As of Thurs, Dec 6th 4am, this article has two lines...two lines of critcism!!! Ludlow massacre etc...I shan't go on. Please add to this, as criticism sections are always very much important in adding other standpoints to any article. Let's get more than just "great philanthropy" up here please...possible whitewashing?
Howard Zinn anyone? —Preceding
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As far as I know in U.S.A. there is no dynasty exists or am I wrong? I would ttry to be sarcastic but it is painfully explicit anyhow.( cantikadam ( talk) 11:27, 2 June 2008 (UTC)).
Yes, you are wrong. A 'dynasty' does not specifically refer to nobility, but to any prominent family (i asume that is the part that was unclear to you). Such a family might be notably rich or notably famous as entertainers or politicians or some such Selena1981 ( talk) 19:34, 24 August 2016 (UTC)
"The family was also the fourth richest family in history.[citation needed]"
I fail to understand how it is possible to measure a family's wealth, since a family is not a discrete entity. While Rockafeller's status as the wealthiest (inflation adjusted) man in history is arguable, I don't even believe this measure to be possible...and if it is, it certainly needs a citation. CelestialRender ( talk) 15:23, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
Isn't it worth mention about the con artist from West Germany who claimed to be a descendant of Rockefeller? JustN5:12 ( talk) 21:54, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
i have added to the criticism section. Alas, over half of the content was deleted. will others please add to the section? its the smallest out of all of them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.164.245.99 ( talk) 21:18, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
I removed the phrase "with jewish roots" (sic) from the first sentence. In addition to being unsubstantiated (no citation), it is a well-known Anti-semitic falsehood--not that were the Rockefellers Jewish it would impugn the Jews, but that supposedly the Rockefellers' "secret Jewishness" explains their business success, on the premise of a cabal. The Rockefeller family is Protestant, and there is no evidence that their ancestors were Jewish, secretly or otherwise. I removed the sentence rather than discussed it because (a) it is inflammatory, and (b) it is not an element of serious discussion. [Not signed]
The big list of family members might benefit from the use of Template:familytree, and being trimmed down to notable members. — Hex (❝?!❞) 03:23, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
This had been deleted, but I don't see that it is out of place. What do others think?
- Mate if this has been deleted, then they probably wouldn't want us to know. Why would this particular part get deleted? For sport? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.49.21.94 ( talk) 08:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Some opponents of the the New World Order have seen the Rockerfeller wealth and influence as key components of a conspiracy to bring about One world government. One of these was Cong. Larry McDonald, conservative Democratic Representative to Congress from the 7th District of Georgia. Along with 268 other passengers, McDonald was aboard Korean Air Lines Flight 007 when it was shot down by the Soviets off of Sakhalin Island on Sept. 1, 1983. He was the only sitting congressman reportedly killed by the Soviets during the Cold War and his death further fueled opposition to New World Order.
"The drive of the Rockefeller family and their allies is to create a one-world government, combining super-capitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control ... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."[18][19]
"Beginning with Rockefeller Senior, the family has been a major force in land conservation"
This has to be highly debatable. And where's the evidence? -- Ceiteag Bheag ( talk) 00:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
The way the spouses are currently shown makes no sense at all. Many of them are disconnected from who they are supposed to have married, so we can't even figure it out. The spouses should be merged into the main descent trail to make it clear who each person married. Wjhonson ( talk) 14:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
"...The family, with its far reaching philanthropy, as well as its oil, real estate, banking, and international institutions, remains a benchmark for extreme wealth ("as rich as Rockefeller"), as "Senior" is still regarded as the wealthiest man who has ever lived, worth over $300 billion in today's figures, easily surpassing Bill Gates, in terms adjusted by inflation indexing.[25]..."
Anna Frodesiak ( talk) 10:25, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
The information in the Family Archives section is out of date and not entirely correct. Here's a suggestion for an updated description:
The Rockefeller family archives are held at the Rockefeller Archive Center, located in the former home of Martha Baird Rockefeller in Sleepy Hollow, New York. The Archive Center was originally established in 1974 as a part of Rockefeller University, but in 2008, it became an independent operating foundation. At present, the archives of John D. Rockefeller, Sr., William Rockefeller, John D. Rockefeller, Jr., Abby Aldrich Rockefeller, Abby Rockefeller Mauzé, John D. Rockefeller III, Blanchette Rockefeller, and Nelson Rockefeller are processed and open by appointment to readers in the Archive Center’s reading room. Processed portions of the papers of Laurance Rockefeller are also open. In addition, the Archive Center has a microfilm copy of the Winthrop Rockefeller papers, the originals of which are held at the University of Arkansas, Little Rock. The papers of the family office, known as the Office of the Messrs. Rockefeller, are also open for research, although those portions that relate to living family members are closed.
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I agree, this section needs an update! The Rockefeller Archives Center is an independent institution, so I'm going to create a separate page for that (removing material from this article as necessary) and then pare down this Family Archives section using some of these suggestions. Perimeander ( talk) 21:17, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Perhaps we should change the name of the article to "A list of members of the Rockefeller family and all the wonderful things they donated money to". The article has no substance, no history, no real information at all other than a list of family members and the stuff they donated money to. A little criticism wouldn't go amiss. Anyone who held on to a fortune of hundreds of millions during the Great Depression can't be that great... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.9.5.35 ( talk) 01:26, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
Whys is this section titled "The Edifice Complex?" There is no content or reference explaining the use of this term. It seems like a POV label. I propose that the section be re-named "Real estate development." -- Crunch ( talk) 16:47, 18 February 2013 (UTC)
What do the names in bold mean on the descendant section? There is no key to explain why they are special. -- Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) ( talk) 22:25, 13 December 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps the Rockefellers could endow a scholar to write this article, and employ another to edit it. This might avoid such textual horrors as, 'a vast three-story underground bunker built below the Martha Baird Rockefeller Hillcrest mansion'.
1. 'Vast'? In whose estimation, 'vast'? Is it ten square miles in area? One square mile? Fifty-five?
2. 'three-story'? So this bunker is a trilogy? Or some other kind of literary work? Perhaps you mean 'storey'.
3. 'underground bunker'? Bunkers are by definition located underground, or partly below-ground. It is like saying 'This house has an attic in the roof'.
4. If the structure is below ground, it cannot have 'storeys', but it might have 'levels'. A great many institutions, like government departments and large public libraries, have multi-level basements where books and other documents are stored in a stable and controlled-climate environment.
5. The word 'bunker' has pejorative, even sinister overtones; there are connotations of 'hideout' or 'fortress'; such words imply that the Rockefeller 'bunker' protects secret and/or compromising material, or that the family plans to hole up there when the US Second Civil War (Historians will call it 'The Second Amendment War') breaks out. The world knows that Hitler spent his last days on earth cowering in a bunker deep below Berlin. The word retains that unpleasant odour of death and madness.
6. So... why not say that the Martha Baird Rockefeller Hillcrest 'mansion' (what is a 'mansion' anyway? There are pejorative overtones here, too. 'Mansion' is a word used by some persons to describe a dwelling they believe to be larger than its occupants deserve and/or need) has a three-level basement where the Rockefeller family papers are stored. 121.44.162.10 ( talk) 08:10, 14 October 2014 (UTC)
I know that this family has its own secret service which is researching everything about UFO.
For example, they are spending billions of dollars just for travelling across the world to research everything about crop circles.
Somebody could add this information with proper source into the article. I'm sure it will be useful.
Cheers!
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The list of family members was excessive, see WP:NOTGENEALOGY. I have pruned it in a bold edit. I used the following guidelines:
I have added the numbers of children, where known, to indicate that names have been deleted.
I am happy to discuss this; please put any objections or comments here. Verbcatcher ( talk) 23:27, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
I observe that someone has plastered a lot of who-remarks in conjunction with Junior while it above is clearly stated that John D. Rockefeller Jr. below will be referred to as Junior. -- J. P. Fagerback ( talk) 15:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
There's a paragraph at the bottom of the Real Estate section that smacks of conspiracy theories and seems to have been hidden there. The paragraph in question is:
Seeds of Destruction: Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation is a book by American writer, Frederick William Engdahl. In his book, Engdahl explains how the (oil-rich) Rockefeller family is planing to control world farming by the Green Revolution plan. Rockefeller family is trying to finish other family farms in the United States and also is trying do same as this plan to other countries and finally take the whole world food security on their hands.[20] Engdahl believes that green revolution is happening by the new world empire. He also sees the Rockefeller family hand behind the great Genetically modified organism (GMO) project to control world population.[21]
I'm not a regular user of Wikipedia but this doesn't belong here... it's nonsense and probably self-promotion. I deleted the paragraph.
I removed "Dudley–Winthrop family" and "Stover family" from the infobox, because they are not mentioned in the body of the article. 'Winthtop' is mentioned, but this appears to be a forename. Annabellracer has reverted my edit, without an edit summary. Please explain why these family names should be included here. Verbcatcher ( talk) 16:04, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
@ Annabellracer: you have re-reverted my revert of your addition of Robert Clyde Rockefeller and his R.C. Rockefeller Entertainment company. My edit summary was:
You re-reverted without giving your reasons in an edit summary. This was discourteous, and gives us no indication of your reasoning. My analysis was:
Please justify your addition of this content. Verbcatcher ( talk) 16:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Annabellracer ( talk) 07:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC) Sorry for the delay Verbcatcher. I’m in graduate school. There are 177 living heirs to the Rockefeller family currently not listed. Also, the Stover family, as in Russle Stover, is also missing as a linked family with the Rockefeller family. As I research Robert, his father being a Rockefeller and his mother being a Stover, I will site my resources. I’m new here, and all of this work is part of my PhD. I should have sited Ancestry.com, but I have 177 Rockefeller family members to add, and research. And yes, they are all living heirs. Annabellracer ( talk) 07:02, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
I am starting this thread to resolve a dispute which has arisen regarding my inclusion of an image of John D. Rockefeller in the page's infobox. SNUGGUMS opposes using the picture for this page's infobox on the grounds that it may "potentially mislead readers into thinking nobody else from the family mattered." While it is not my intent to characterize other members of the family as insignificant, I believe it is fair to say that none of the future generations of the Rockefeller family would have exercised as much power and influence as they did were it not for the fortune that John D. Rockefeller amassed in the oil industry.
As for the possibility that visitors may get the impression that there were no other family members who had an impact on history, I would recommend interspersing pictures throughout the article of other Rockefellers who were famous. That way no visitors would wrongly get the impression that John D. Rockefeller was the only member of the family of any historical significance. Emiya1980 ( talk) 05:25, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
John D Rockefeller was not Vice President It was Nelson Aldrich Rockefeller under Gerald Ford. 174.247.251.112 ( talk) 19:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
According to the encyclical of Aekansas the governor of Arkansas was Winthrop Rockefeller the 4th son of John d rockefeller 174.247.251.112 ( talk) 19:16, 3 March 2022 (UTC)