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Last paragraph: "Cape Hyraxes produce large quantities of hyraceum (sticky mass of dung and urine) that has been employed by people in the treatment of several medical disorders, including epilepsy and convulsions."
Does smearing yourself with rabit dung actually treat brain problems, or is it just one of those superstitious things that people did before medical science?
The Voortrekkers used to take hyraceum scrapings and blow them through a reed into the throats of children with lung problems. In the early days of antibiotics, the hyraceum was also used as a source for penicillin production.
The traditional remedy therefore does appear to have some scientific basis, albeit very unconventional.
This coincidence makes me wonder: Could it be that Hyraceum contains Desogestrel? I would be happy about an answer! Thank you in advance. C-Kobold ( talk) 13:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
This sentence needs some help. I'm not sure whether they live in the savanna or grasslands areas of all these places, or just Israel. Without knowing that, I don't know how to fix the sentence. I'm thinking "Cape Hyraxes are found in Israel, south of Syria, through North Africa and much of sub-Saharan Africa, (usually? Always?) living in savanna or grasslands areas." Lunch with Jason 13:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
In this article for Cape Hyrax, we say "Elephants (Proboscidea) and hyraxes (Hyracoidae) are both more closely related to manatees and dugongs (Sirenia) than they are to one another." But in the Hyrax article, we say "Recent morphological and molecular based classifications reveal the Sirenians to be the closest living relatives of elephants, while hyraxes are closely related but form an outgroup to the assemblage of elephants, sirenians, and extinct orders like Embrithopoda and Desmostylia." These seem inconsistent. In this article we suggest that the hyraxes are more closely related to manatees than to elephants. In the hyrax article we say that hyraxes are equally related to the manatees and elephants. Which is correct? My understanding is that the Hyrax article is more consistent with current thinking, in which case the Cape Hyrax article should be edited accordingly. Rlendog ( talk) 14:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The rock badger's name in Hebrew literally translates to "mountain bunny."
No it doesn't (lol). The Hebrew shafan sela means "rock shafan" - and what does shafan mean? Good question, but probably "hyrax". Sorry, I should take that line out, especially since "bunny" isn't a scientific translation whichever way you look at it. Arikk ( talk) 11:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Is the rock hyrax also known as a rock badger? As a herbivore, do they chew their own cud? Leviticus, in a certain English translation, mentions this animal and I'm wondering if it's the same one.
It looks more like a nutria than a North American badger.
Neil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.27.237.206 ( talk) 03:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, at least in some parts.
From the OED: "rock badger n. chiefly S. Afr. = rock hyrax n."
Also in the OED "das"/"dasse": "1. a badger. Obs" (obsolete) and "2. The daman or rock-badger of the Cape". 86.186.185.129 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:04, 2 April 2012 (UTC).
I've pretty much rewritten the page, putting things on a much more encyclopedic basis, and rationalising a lot of stuff that was scattered around the article. I'll leave it in my sandbox User:Arikk/Sandbox/Rock_Hyrax for a couple of days before replacing the existing page (although I think it's already much better), but if anyone wants to comment, please do so here or on my talk page. Arikk ( talk) 21:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
It's an uncanny match imo, but make your own mind up [img] http://photos.forteantimes.com/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_2/fortean_times_1225_7.jpg[/img] 195.59.118.105 ( talk) 11:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
The following sentences should not be mentioned under the Social behaviour-section, but be moved to a section of historical accounts in a similar manner as in the Hyrax article.
[the chewing/grunting behaviour] has been postulated as the origin of the misconception given in Leviticus 11:4-8 that the hyrax chews the cud.[4] But as the writer notes "the matter has not been fully resolved" and one zoologist writes of his observations of the rock hyrax chewing the cud.[4]
Then it has to be rewritten because it gives undue weight to a minority opinion, namely one apologetic author and some 19th century zoologist whose observations are unconfirmed. The hyrax is not a ruminant or a ruminating creature, and this is emphatically stated in a large number of zoological books, as one can find on the internet, e.g.:
So far from being "not fully resolved", the hyrax is very clearly established as a non-ruminant. How apologists wish to explain this discrepancy can of course be described, but not in a way that suggests a controversy on the scientific side of the matter. Fedor ( talk) 14:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm interested when the Arabic name طبسون for hyrax comes from. Here, they're called الوبر. Is it two names for the same animal, or is one colloquial, or something like that? BTW, I removed the story of the Lebanese mountain as lacking in relevance. Arikk ( talk) 18:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
What is relevance of the Dutch name being mentioned? Dassie is the Afrikaans name for the rock hyrax. I will remove the sentence "The Dutch name is klipdas" until a reason for its purpose is established. -twigthe1st
In the "intro": Rock Hyrax Later, rock hyrax. Note: differences in capitalization. Whether bolded or not, capitalization must be consistent. What does the MoS suggest?
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Last paragraph: "Cape Hyraxes produce large quantities of hyraceum (sticky mass of dung and urine) that has been employed by people in the treatment of several medical disorders, including epilepsy and convulsions."
Does smearing yourself with rabit dung actually treat brain problems, or is it just one of those superstitious things that people did before medical science?
The Voortrekkers used to take hyraceum scrapings and blow them through a reed into the throats of children with lung problems. In the early days of antibiotics, the hyraceum was also used as a source for penicillin production.
The traditional remedy therefore does appear to have some scientific basis, albeit very unconventional.
This coincidence makes me wonder: Could it be that Hyraceum contains Desogestrel? I would be happy about an answer! Thank you in advance. C-Kobold ( talk) 13:24, 16 July 2019 (UTC)
This sentence needs some help. I'm not sure whether they live in the savanna or grasslands areas of all these places, or just Israel. Without knowing that, I don't know how to fix the sentence. I'm thinking "Cape Hyraxes are found in Israel, south of Syria, through North Africa and much of sub-Saharan Africa, (usually? Always?) living in savanna or grasslands areas." Lunch with Jason 13:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
In this article for Cape Hyrax, we say "Elephants (Proboscidea) and hyraxes (Hyracoidae) are both more closely related to manatees and dugongs (Sirenia) than they are to one another." But in the Hyrax article, we say "Recent morphological and molecular based classifications reveal the Sirenians to be the closest living relatives of elephants, while hyraxes are closely related but form an outgroup to the assemblage of elephants, sirenians, and extinct orders like Embrithopoda and Desmostylia." These seem inconsistent. In this article we suggest that the hyraxes are more closely related to manatees than to elephants. In the hyrax article we say that hyraxes are equally related to the manatees and elephants. Which is correct? My understanding is that the Hyrax article is more consistent with current thinking, in which case the Cape Hyrax article should be edited accordingly. Rlendog ( talk) 14:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
The rock badger's name in Hebrew literally translates to "mountain bunny."
No it doesn't (lol). The Hebrew shafan sela means "rock shafan" - and what does shafan mean? Good question, but probably "hyrax". Sorry, I should take that line out, especially since "bunny" isn't a scientific translation whichever way you look at it. Arikk ( talk) 11:16, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Is the rock hyrax also known as a rock badger? As a herbivore, do they chew their own cud? Leviticus, in a certain English translation, mentions this animal and I'm wondering if it's the same one.
It looks more like a nutria than a North American badger.
Neil —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.27.237.206 ( talk) 03:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes, at least in some parts.
From the OED: "rock badger n. chiefly S. Afr. = rock hyrax n."
Also in the OED "das"/"dasse": "1. a badger. Obs" (obsolete) and "2. The daman or rock-badger of the Cape". 86.186.185.129 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:04, 2 April 2012 (UTC).
I've pretty much rewritten the page, putting things on a much more encyclopedic basis, and rationalising a lot of stuff that was scattered around the article. I'll leave it in my sandbox User:Arikk/Sandbox/Rock_Hyrax for a couple of days before replacing the existing page (although I think it's already much better), but if anyone wants to comment, please do so here or on my talk page. Arikk ( talk) 21:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
It's an uncanny match imo, but make your own mind up [img] http://photos.forteantimes.com/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_2/fortean_times_1225_7.jpg[/img] 195.59.118.105 ( talk) 11:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
The following sentences should not be mentioned under the Social behaviour-section, but be moved to a section of historical accounts in a similar manner as in the Hyrax article.
[the chewing/grunting behaviour] has been postulated as the origin of the misconception given in Leviticus 11:4-8 that the hyrax chews the cud.[4] But as the writer notes "the matter has not been fully resolved" and one zoologist writes of his observations of the rock hyrax chewing the cud.[4]
Then it has to be rewritten because it gives undue weight to a minority opinion, namely one apologetic author and some 19th century zoologist whose observations are unconfirmed. The hyrax is not a ruminant or a ruminating creature, and this is emphatically stated in a large number of zoological books, as one can find on the internet, e.g.:
So far from being "not fully resolved", the hyrax is very clearly established as a non-ruminant. How apologists wish to explain this discrepancy can of course be described, but not in a way that suggests a controversy on the scientific side of the matter. Fedor ( talk) 14:40, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm interested when the Arabic name طبسون for hyrax comes from. Here, they're called الوبر. Is it two names for the same animal, or is one colloquial, or something like that? BTW, I removed the story of the Lebanese mountain as lacking in relevance. Arikk ( talk) 18:00, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
What is relevance of the Dutch name being mentioned? Dassie is the Afrikaans name for the rock hyrax. I will remove the sentence "The Dutch name is klipdas" until a reason for its purpose is established. -twigthe1st
In the "intro": Rock Hyrax Later, rock hyrax. Note: differences in capitalization. Whether bolded or not, capitalization must be consistent. What does the MoS suggest?
Hello! This is a note to let the editors of this article know that File:Rock hyrax (Procavia capensis) 2.jpg will be appearing as picture of the day on 12 November 2018. You can view and edit the POTD blurb at Template:POTD/2018-11-12. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. Thanks — Amakuru ( talk) 14:09, 30 October 2018 (UTC)