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Oppose: Billboard publishes a number of different charts covering various rock radio formats including Rock Songs (a new chart which ranks the airplay of songs on alternative, mainstream rock and triple A radio stations), Alternative (formerly Modern Rock), Triple A, Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks, Active Rock and Heritage Rock (both subsets of the Mainstream Rock reporting stations). I see no reason to merge the articles for these two particular charts and the user proposing the merge has offered no rationale for it. Piriczki ( talk) 13:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Mainstream Rock was renamed just "Rock" just as Modern Rock was renamed "Alternatvie." These two pages should merge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.58.228.129 ( talk) 04:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- The current rock chart is most definitely not the Mainstream Rock chart. The Rock chart debuted before the overhaul of the Billboard rock categories, and combines the entire rock spectrum (similar to how "Active Rock" used to be). Many songs that never charted on Mainstream Rock are charted highly, while other songs that charted highly on Mainstream Rock are low on the current Rock chart.
bob rulz (
talk) 07:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it turns out that "Rock Songs" is the billboard.com euphemistic name for the Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks, and "Alternative Songs" for Hot Modern Rock Tracks. Compare the
billboard.biz and
billboard.com chart listings. And: For even further evidence, the singles chart listings for the band
Alice in Chains, hosted by
allmusic using the former names and
billboard.com with the new names. I thus support the merge.
Andrewlp1991 (
talk) 05:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- I believe the Mainstream Rock chart has been discontinued in the traditional sense. It has however, had its history merged into the Rock Songs chart. This does not make it the same chart though, I guess. Maybe we could just merge and point out the changed methodology. Posted link to here on Wikipedia:Record charts. k.i.a.c ( talktome - contribs) 06:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it turns out that "Rock Songs" is the billboard.com euphemistic name for the Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks, and "Alternative Songs" for Hot Modern Rock Tracks. Compare the
billboard.biz and
billboard.com chart listings. And: For even further evidence, the singles chart listings for the band
Alice in Chains, hosted by
allmusic using the former names and
billboard.com with the new names. I thus support the merge.
Andrewlp1991 (
talk) 05:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone even bothered to read Billboard magazine or look at the charts in question? Rock Songs is a new, 50-position chart which ranks the airplay of songs on alternative, mainstream rock and triple A radio stations. The first chart was published in the issue dated June 20, 2009. The Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks chart is a 40-position chart which ranks the airplay of songs on mainstream rock radio stations. This chart remains unchanged except that it is now only available online by subscription at billboard.biz.
For comparison, here are the top 10 positions on both charts for the week of August 22, 2009 (with weeks on the chart in parentheses):
Rock Songs 8/22/09
1 (10) New Divide - Linkin Park
2 (10) Sound of Madness - Shinedown
3 (3) The Fixer - Pearl Jam
4 (10) Use Somebody - Kings of Leon
5 (10) 21 Guns - Green Day
6 (10) Panic Switch - Silversun Pickups
7 (10) Ain't No Rest For the Wicked - Cage the Elephant
8 (10) Burn It to the Ground - Nickelback
9 (7) Jars - Chevelle
10 (9) Whiskey Hangover - Godsmack
Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks 8/22/09
1 (12) New Divide - Linkin Park
2 (17) Champagne - Cavo
3 (20) Sound of Madness - Shinedown
4 (9) Whiskey Hangover - Godsmack
5 (13) Burn It to the Ground - Nickelback
6 (19) I Get Off - Halestorm
7 (7) Jars - Chevelle
8 (10) You're Going Down - Sick Puppies
9 (16) Ain't No Rest For the Wicked - Cage the Elephant
10 (23) Seasons - The Veer Union
As you can see, these are two completely different charts and there is no reason to merge the articles. Piriczki ( talk) 13:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - these are not the same chart. "Rock Songs", as stated above, is a brand new chart. The histories and statistics should not be combined. "Rock Songs" began just a few months ago, with all songs on the premier chart showing as new entries with "weeks on chart" set to "1". It was not set up as a continuation of "Mainstream Rock Tracks". -
eo (
talk) 16:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I see, but the problem with billboard.biz is that it costs money just to view the charts! So they are two different charts, but the history was "merged". This is confusing.
Andrewlp1991 (
talk) 18:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Current Billboard Mainstream Rock chart positions can still be accessed for free at www.billboardmagazine.com. -5- ( talk) 22:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I see, but the problem with billboard.biz is that it costs money just to view the charts! So they are two different charts, but the history was "merged". This is confusing.
Andrewlp1991 (
talk) 18:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Strongest possible oppose they are as alike as the Billboard Top Latin Albums and the French Singles Chart. Completely different. Not the same thing.-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 22:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose I thought it was already determined that these are different charts. -- Wolfer68 ( talk) 01:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Clearly not the same chart. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
i edited the page to make it look more organized instead of an endless list of number ones. first of i separated it by years and added some records, more records and some more modifications are needed still Feedmyeyes ( talk) 01:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Note that the week of October 20, 2012 has the methodology for compiling the chart has changed: [1] This info should be added to the article. - eo ( talk) 16:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
From October 20, 2012 onwards, the old Rock Songs chart was renamed Rock Airplay, with Rock Songs accounting not only for genre airplay, but for streaming, sales and crossover airplay, as the article linked above states. In my opinion, this is a significantly different chart, and I propose this article should be dedicated to the Rock Airplay chart (with #1's from the date of the change being the ones from Rock Airplay), with a new article dedicated to the new Rock Songs chart, if it is deemed relevant enough, since essentially the "new" Rock Airplay chart is a continuation of the "old" Rock Songs chart, even if chart stats before the split are shared by both charts. 187.121.102.5 ( talk) 03:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- The methodology of music charts changes often. What Billboard calls the Rock Songs chart, regardless of methodology, should remain the same. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 01:43, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
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Oppose: Billboard publishes a number of different charts covering various rock radio formats including Rock Songs (a new chart which ranks the airplay of songs on alternative, mainstream rock and triple A radio stations), Alternative (formerly Modern Rock), Triple A, Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks, Active Rock and Heritage Rock (both subsets of the Mainstream Rock reporting stations). I see no reason to merge the articles for these two particular charts and the user proposing the merge has offered no rationale for it. Piriczki ( talk) 13:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
Mainstream Rock was renamed just "Rock" just as Modern Rock was renamed "Alternatvie." These two pages should merge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.58.228.129 ( talk) 04:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- The current rock chart is most definitely not the Mainstream Rock chart. The Rock chart debuted before the overhaul of the Billboard rock categories, and combines the entire rock spectrum (similar to how "Active Rock" used to be). Many songs that never charted on Mainstream Rock are charted highly, while other songs that charted highly on Mainstream Rock are low on the current Rock chart.
bob rulz (
talk) 07:26, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it turns out that "Rock Songs" is the billboard.com euphemistic name for the Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks, and "Alternative Songs" for Hot Modern Rock Tracks. Compare the
billboard.biz and
billboard.com chart listings. And: For even further evidence, the singles chart listings for the band
Alice in Chains, hosted by
allmusic using the former names and
billboard.com with the new names. I thus support the merge.
Andrewlp1991 (
talk) 05:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- I believe the Mainstream Rock chart has been discontinued in the traditional sense. It has however, had its history merged into the Rock Songs chart. This does not make it the same chart though, I guess. Maybe we could just merge and point out the changed methodology. Posted link to here on Wikipedia:Record charts. k.i.a.c ( talktome - contribs) 06:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Well, it turns out that "Rock Songs" is the billboard.com euphemistic name for the Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks, and "Alternative Songs" for Hot Modern Rock Tracks. Compare the
billboard.biz and
billboard.com chart listings. And: For even further evidence, the singles chart listings for the band
Alice in Chains, hosted by
allmusic using the former names and
billboard.com with the new names. I thus support the merge.
Andrewlp1991 (
talk) 05:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Has anyone even bothered to read Billboard magazine or look at the charts in question? Rock Songs is a new, 50-position chart which ranks the airplay of songs on alternative, mainstream rock and triple A radio stations. The first chart was published in the issue dated June 20, 2009. The Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks chart is a 40-position chart which ranks the airplay of songs on mainstream rock radio stations. This chart remains unchanged except that it is now only available online by subscription at billboard.biz.
For comparison, here are the top 10 positions on both charts for the week of August 22, 2009 (with weeks on the chart in parentheses):
Rock Songs 8/22/09
1 (10) New Divide - Linkin Park
2 (10) Sound of Madness - Shinedown
3 (3) The Fixer - Pearl Jam
4 (10) Use Somebody - Kings of Leon
5 (10) 21 Guns - Green Day
6 (10) Panic Switch - Silversun Pickups
7 (10) Ain't No Rest For the Wicked - Cage the Elephant
8 (10) Burn It to the Ground - Nickelback
9 (7) Jars - Chevelle
10 (9) Whiskey Hangover - Godsmack
Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks 8/22/09
1 (12) New Divide - Linkin Park
2 (17) Champagne - Cavo
3 (20) Sound of Madness - Shinedown
4 (9) Whiskey Hangover - Godsmack
5 (13) Burn It to the Ground - Nickelback
6 (19) I Get Off - Halestorm
7 (7) Jars - Chevelle
8 (10) You're Going Down - Sick Puppies
9 (16) Ain't No Rest For the Wicked - Cage the Elephant
10 (23) Seasons - The Veer Union
As you can see, these are two completely different charts and there is no reason to merge the articles. Piriczki ( talk) 13:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose - these are not the same chart. "Rock Songs", as stated above, is a brand new chart. The histories and statistics should not be combined. "Rock Songs" began just a few months ago, with all songs on the premier chart showing as new entries with "weeks on chart" set to "1". It was not set up as a continuation of "Mainstream Rock Tracks". -
eo (
talk) 16:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I see, but the problem with billboard.biz is that it costs money just to view the charts! So they are two different charts, but the history was "merged". This is confusing.
Andrewlp1991 (
talk) 18:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Current Billboard Mainstream Rock chart positions can still be accessed for free at www.billboardmagazine.com. -5- ( talk) 22:40, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- OK, I see, but the problem with billboard.biz is that it costs money just to view the charts! So they are two different charts, but the history was "merged". This is confusing.
Andrewlp1991 (
talk) 18:56, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Strongest possible oppose they are as alike as the Billboard Top Latin Albums and the French Singles Chart. Completely different. Not the same thing.-- The Legendary Sky Attacker 22:20, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose I thought it was already determined that these are different charts. -- Wolfer68 ( talk) 01:52, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
- Oppose Clearly not the same chart. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ( Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 16:26, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
i edited the page to make it look more organized instead of an endless list of number ones. first of i separated it by years and added some records, more records and some more modifications are needed still Feedmyeyes ( talk) 01:36, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Note that the week of October 20, 2012 has the methodology for compiling the chart has changed: [1] This info should be added to the article. - eo ( talk) 16:28, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
From October 20, 2012 onwards, the old Rock Songs chart was renamed Rock Airplay, with Rock Songs accounting not only for genre airplay, but for streaming, sales and crossover airplay, as the article linked above states. In my opinion, this is a significantly different chart, and I propose this article should be dedicated to the Rock Airplay chart (with #1's from the date of the change being the ones from Rock Airplay), with a new article dedicated to the new Rock Songs chart, if it is deemed relevant enough, since essentially the "new" Rock Airplay chart is a continuation of the "old" Rock Songs chart, even if chart stats before the split are shared by both charts. 187.121.102.5 ( talk) 03:49, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
- The methodology of music charts changes often. What Billboard calls the Rock Songs chart, regardless of methodology, should remain the same. --Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 01:43, 27 November 2012 (UTC)