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I reverted the change in category from Motorcycle Club to Motorcycle Gang. The Rock Machine are, in fact, a motorcycle club. The term motorcycle gang has no concensus definition. Mmoyer 02:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Agreed CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) ( talk) 18:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
I have assessed this as a Stub, as it only contains the basic information on the subject, and of low importance, as I do not feel that this topic is essential for understanding Canada. Cheers, CP 01:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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I am not sure if the Rock Machine have a web site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Outlaw Biker ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
The article currently says the Rock Machine forged ties with the Bandidos in 2000. RJ Parker's book said that Salvatore Cazzetta first forged ties with the Bandidos in the late 1980s or early 1990s -- ie. before the Biker Wars. Geo Swan ( talk) 06:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
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link)They did not establish a working friendship during the late '80s and early 90s but I do not doubt that Salvatore was probably in contact with them as they would have been at that time still the Hells Angels largest rival. But it wasn't really until the war started and The Rock Machine observed the scandinavian-based Bandidos taking on the angels in the Nordic biker War this impressed them and realized that if they wanted to get out of the situation unscathed that they would need to patch over. When the war started the Rock Machine was the strongest faction the alliance in terms of numbers and firepower, as the conflict went on the other organizations like the dark circle, Pelletier Clan and especially the local narcotics dealers (who did not belong to large groups but had joined the alliance nonetheless). We're devastated by 1999, The Rock Machine itself received significant casualties. This in turn with the Bandidos success is Scandinavia caused the rock machine to reach out to them. And consolidate an official friendship CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) ( talk) 18:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
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Wikipedia:Verifiability states that claims in any article need citations to reliable sources. A claim made with no citation should be removed. CanadianHistorian has used a number of times Jerry Langton's 2010 book Showdown as a source, most notably with the article Ontario Biker War, which I presume means that he takes it to be a reliable source. Which makes the claims made in his edit summaries that Langton's book is not reliable based on what he has "heard" all the more puzzling. Is Langton only reliable when he writes things that CH approves of? Langton states quite clearly that the criminal organisation that existed in Quebec between 1986 to 2001 is not the same one that has founded in Manitoba and Ontario in 2008. There is no straight line of continuity here. The current group is using the name of the former group, and that is all about it. It is really unlikely that members of a mainly French-Canadian Quebecoise group would relocate to Ontario and Manitoba, instead of their home province of Quebec to restart the Rock Machine. There are a number of problems with this article, such as the claim it was a criminal organisation, but that it is not at present a criminal organsation, having only members who commit crimes on their own. The claim that there is a straight line of continuity is impossible to square with the claim that the group at present is not a criminal organsiation. It can be one or the other, but not both at the same time. CanadianHistorian has made claims in this article about "research" proving that there was a straight line. But whose "research"? What books and articles say this? So far I can see no citations to support of these claims, and as such I will revert back to my version. If someone could find a RS saying otherwise, please bring it in. -- A.S. Brown ( talk) 03:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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===Arrest of Cazzetta and start of tensions===to restore the broken header. (I find it amusing that AWB, in the last edit someone did with it, found a number of typos and missing non-breaking spaces but somehow didn't pick up on the fact that an entire header was broken.)
[[Rock Machine#Germany|WolfSSChanze Faction]](giving just
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Sonny May David Robson 70.24.26.166 ( talk) 23:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
You are wrong the reboot was in fact ex Bandidos and few old RM. I know I was there !! For both 24.222.129.2 ( talk) 03:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)
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I reverted the change in category from Motorcycle Club to Motorcycle Gang. The Rock Machine are, in fact, a motorcycle club. The term motorcycle gang has no concensus definition. Mmoyer 02:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Agreed CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) ( talk) 18:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
I have assessed this as a Stub, as it only contains the basic information on the subject, and of low importance, as I do not feel that this topic is essential for understanding Canada. Cheers, CP 01:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
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I am not sure if the Rock Machine have a web site. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Outlaw Biker ( talk • contribs) 12:24, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
The article currently says the Rock Machine forged ties with the Bandidos in 2000. RJ Parker's book said that Salvatore Cazzetta first forged ties with the Bandidos in the late 1980s or early 1990s -- ie. before the Biker Wars. Geo Swan ( talk) 06:37, 18 July 2020 (UTC)
{{
cite book}}
: CS1 maint: url-status (
link)They did not establish a working friendship during the late '80s and early 90s but I do not doubt that Salvatore was probably in contact with them as they would have been at that time still the Hells Angels largest rival. But it wasn't really until the war started and The Rock Machine observed the scandinavian-based Bandidos taking on the angels in the Nordic biker War this impressed them and realized that if they wanted to get out of the situation unscathed that they would need to patch over. When the war started the Rock Machine was the strongest faction the alliance in terms of numbers and firepower, as the conflict went on the other organizations like the dark circle, Pelletier Clan and especially the local narcotics dealers (who did not belong to large groups but had joined the alliance nonetheless). We're devastated by 1999, The Rock Machine itself received significant casualties. This in turn with the Bandidos success is Scandinavia caused the rock machine to reach out to them. And consolidate an official friendship CanadianHistorian(MMA & History) ( talk) 18:27, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Rock Machine Motorcycle Club's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "oocities.org":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 11:08, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Verifiability states that claims in any article need citations to reliable sources. A claim made with no citation should be removed. CanadianHistorian has used a number of times Jerry Langton's 2010 book Showdown as a source, most notably with the article Ontario Biker War, which I presume means that he takes it to be a reliable source. Which makes the claims made in his edit summaries that Langton's book is not reliable based on what he has "heard" all the more puzzling. Is Langton only reliable when he writes things that CH approves of? Langton states quite clearly that the criminal organisation that existed in Quebec between 1986 to 2001 is not the same one that has founded in Manitoba and Ontario in 2008. There is no straight line of continuity here. The current group is using the name of the former group, and that is all about it. It is really unlikely that members of a mainly French-Canadian Quebecoise group would relocate to Ontario and Manitoba, instead of their home province of Quebec to restart the Rock Machine. There are a number of problems with this article, such as the claim it was a criminal organisation, but that it is not at present a criminal organsation, having only members who commit crimes on their own. The claim that there is a straight line of continuity is impossible to square with the claim that the group at present is not a criminal organsiation. It can be one or the other, but not both at the same time. CanadianHistorian has made claims in this article about "research" proving that there was a straight line. But whose "research"? What books and articles say this? So far I can see no citations to support of these claims, and as such I will revert back to my version. If someone could find a RS saying otherwise, please bring it in. -- A.S. Brown ( talk) 03:26, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
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===Arrest of Cazzetta and start of tensionsto
===Arrest of Cazzetta and start of tensions===to restore the broken header. (I find it amusing that AWB, in the last edit someone did with it, found a number of typos and missing non-breaking spaces but somehow didn't pick up on the fact that an entire header was broken.)
[[Rock Machine#Germany|WolfSSChanze Faction]](giving just
WolfSSChanze Faction), as currently the wikilink links to this article itself and that specified header no longer exists within it. (The closest alternative would be changing the link to
#Other chapters (115), but that isn't specific to the WolfSSChanze gang itself, and the fact that the current number of chapters is in the subheading is just asking for the redirect to get broken again.) (Also, please remove the corresponding "Broken anchor" banner from the talk page after you do this.)
Sonny May David Robson 70.24.26.166 ( talk) 23:01, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
You are wrong the reboot was in fact ex Bandidos and few old RM. I know I was there !! For both 24.222.129.2 ( talk) 03:09, 16 May 2024 (UTC)